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2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
Roger Wright94 said:They claimed everything was crystal clear to them from the get-go (meaning it was all Alonso's fault).
These guys are veterans, after all. To them, the conclusion seems obvious at first glance, whereas I found myself rewatching the footage dozens of times just to feel confident in my own take.
It’s pretty apparent they had their minds made up before they even finished a thorough review of the situation.

Do you honestly believe that Ferrari's intervention (as mentioned above) would have actually changed anything?

I'm not sure. Honestly, I think they should have acted immediately instead of waiting until the third call. If I were in charge, I would have handed out a stop-and-go penalty right after the second warning rather than just a DT.☕
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
Roger Wright94 said:It wasn't that "they" notified him; rather, from what I understand, Charlie W. suggested it might be better to just let him go so the stewards wouldn't even have to look at the "incident."

Since the stewards clearly did investigate the situation, they ended up making a call that went right against Alonso.
I'm wondering, is there anywhere we can actually see or read the official ruling? Which specific rule was used to penalize Alonso?
And is it even possible that the stewards were being influenced or pressured by Charlie W.?
Also, why was the fact that Kubica and Alonso were side-by-side in that corner ignored? Being forced off the track was purely detrimental to Alonso, not helpful.
What exactly did he gain from that? Kubica had practically already been overtaken.

Total robbery by Charlie W.! 👎

FIA Sporting Regulations, Article 16

But there is something quite interesting tucked away in there:

Unless the race director feels it is absolutely certain that a driver breached any of the aforementioned rules, any incidents involving multiple cars will typically be investigated following the race.

So, if I'm reading this correctly, if Charlie decides it isn't crystal clear whether a driver broke a rule (and there was no blatant cutting of a chicane or gaining an unfair advantage...), then the incident should be dealt with after the race is over.

It seems a bit odd to me, though, because we rarely see incidents pushed to a post-race investigation. Usually, that only happens when there's a massive pile-up involving several cars and they need telemetry and all sorts of data to feel confident in their decision.

In this case, it looks like a straight-up mistake by Ferrari. If they had just told Charlie immediately that they felt the move was legitimate—that Kubica essentially pushed Alonso off while they were running parallel—maybe Charlie would have stayed quiet after the initial warning and waited for a post-race review instead.
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
James Smith50 said:Is Kubica-Alonso not being mentioned alongside Indianapolis Motor Speedway? Am I the only one getting penalized for bringing up an on-track duel while everyone else gets a free pass?

Well, goodbye then, both to you and to this entire subforum. I’ll consider coming back once there are actually two moderators active here.😉

This crossed the line at Indianapolis Motor Speedway a long time ago.☕
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
James Smith50 said:A comedian? Honestly, if you actually understood anything about rallying, you’d realize it’s a hell of a lot more demanding than Formula One... I really don't see why we're all bickering like this. Alonso overtook Kubica off-track, yet here you all are, still defending him even though he hasn't given back the position.😕

Could you please take a look at the posts above? ☕
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
I don't want to shut this thread down, but I'm going to have to start handing out warnings for off-topic posts ☕
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
I’ve been scrolling through everything, but I don't see any actual discussion regarding the race 🤷🤷🤷 ☕
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
Roger Wright94 said:There’s a certain issue when analyzing this specific incident—a bit of underlying antagonism toward one of the participants, whether you're looking at the driver or the team.
I honestly feel that this bias prevents a truly independent look at what actually happened on the track.

Well, if you have the patience to pick this apart with me just a little longer, here is my take.
On the other hand, if I’ve already become a nuisance with these observations, please feel free to skip ahead.

There is a distinct difference between the Kubica-Alonso situation at Indianapolis and all those other clips being linked here.

Kubica wasn't playing defense!
Defensive driving is perfectly justifiable when an opponent is positioned behind you, either partially or fully.

Alonso’s overtake attempt was on the outside, which isn't at all like that move Lewis made on Kimi by diving up the inside. That distinction is vital. When Alonso takes the outside line, he isn't obstructing or hindering Kubica, who holds the inside.
In this specific instance, Alonso entered the corner essentially side-by-side with Kubica (at most, just a bumper away). I am referring to the entry into that first sharp left-hander—the 90-degree turn.
In a scenario like that, Kubica was obligated to leave him enough breathing room, yet he didn't leave any space at all; instead, he practically squeezed him out. Of course, Kubica realized he was in trouble because he would have been overtaken immediately upon exiting the turn, so he deliberately forced Alonso wide.
That was a dirty move, rather than a standard case of holding a racing line.
If the cars are side-by-side, you have to leave your opponent enough room. The corner is part of the track, and there was plenty of space for both of them. It was simply a calculated, rational choice by Kubičin.
What if there had been a wall on the right instead? Would we be viewing this the same way?

Feel free to watch the footage again, if you still have the inclination.

👍
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
Roger Wright94 said:Just try and find me even one of those endless situations you keep mentioning.
If there truly were "endless" instances, then surely finding about ten of them shouldn't be such a chore for you, right?

I can think of two off the top of my head, though there have definitely been more.😬
Maybe even a dozen over the last few years, but honestly, none of them ever seemed to cause this much of a massive uproar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUJzA1diJPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tmAH97g0Os
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
stormybadger8 said:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85244

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Man, what a headache. You’d honestly need some serious wizardry to overtake a car that's five seconds slower per lap, especially when that driver keeps drifting off the racing line. 🤣🤣🤣

It was pretty obvious back in Valencia, wasn't it? 😬

Plus, if you look at the pit pass, it's clearly stated—he was definitely talking about Sebastian Vettel. 🤣🤣🤣
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
redstag said:Why does that even bother you? It’s as if someone can’t follow Formula 1 without having live timing constantly running on their screen.

Man, some people here were watching Formula 1 back when we were tracking lap times with actual stopwatches, so I don't think they care much about live timing.😉
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
Pilatus said:Is there any historical precedent for the song "Supreme" by Robbie Williams? 😁

Has anyone ever actually managed to get stuck in the restroom and miss the start of a race? 🙏😁

monteverdi said:I was reading up on this, and while I know it hasn't happened in Formula 1, I did come across some info suggesting it might have occurred in a lower category, like F3 or something similar, though those reports aren't fully verified and I'm not sure how accurate they really are.

Actually, it almost happened today when 🤣Sebastian Vettel🤣 left the grid to head to the Williams garage to use their restroom. 🤣🤣

A quote from the Williams Twitter account:

Vettel is lucky to be starting this race, Frank's wife wanted to lock him in our garage loo when he came in to borrow it from the grid!!
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
Noah Gray52 said:haha, what a joke, just lying through their teeth. 😂

🙏🙏🙏🙏
Where on earth did our old reliable go? 🤣🤣
2010 British GP - Silverstone (July 11) in Formula 1 ·
Arthur Doyle70 said:It’s true, though I can’t help but wonder—if the crew decided to strip the front wing right off Mark Webber's car before qualifying, slap it onto Sebastian Vettel's machine, and then just give him whatever scraps were left over, wouldn't that be a pretty radical move? 😁 No matter how they go about it, or exactly what kind of wings they’re building, and regardless of the scale of the operation...
On the other hand, if you find yourself right in the thick of a championship fight and the team simply can't manage to bring any more front wings to the table, then you really have to wonder... what exactly is going on?😁
What’s next? Are they going to start wiretapping the other teams' garages? Which specific component are we talking about? I’ve heard some whispers that their aero development has been eating up way too much of the budget lately. It seems like Adrian Newey is burning through resources at an incredible rate, which leaves them in a bit of a bind. If they want to stay competitive, don't you think they'll eventually have to get a little more radical with their approach just to keep up?😂

Look, they’re being incredibly picky about everything—even something as basic as a bathroom break, let alone anything else... (I'll explain my reasoning in a few posts down below). 🤣🤣🤣🤣
F1 British GP - Indianapolis - July 11, 2010 in Formula 1 ·
Roger Wright94 said:But what about Red Bull's factory in China? Aren't they just shipping parts over in containers?

Well, let's be honest, manufacturing even a single component for one of these cars isn't exactly a quick afternoon project...
Michael Schumacher in Washington, D.C.! in Formula 1 ·
redheron12 said:Look, let's be real—Michael Schumacher isn't exactly a legend of that scale anymore, and if they even bring a car, it'll probably just be some plastic model. Even the Ferrari crew isn't anything special—unless you count them playing around with fuel hoses.

It might be cool for people who have never seen a race car in person, but honestly, they'll just end up disappointed. It's definitely not worth braving this heat for.

Come on, let’s not be too hard on them. There was a massive crowd back then four years ago when Williams and Webber visited Washington, D.C. as part of that Allianz program—and honestly, where wouldn't people show up if it were a Ferrari event? ☕☕

If some people aren't feeling it, that’s really their business. I personally plan on dropping by to check things out regardless. ☕
F1 British GP - Indianapolis - July 11, 2010 in Formula 1 ·
Mansell is going to be an advisor to the officials at Indianapolis 🙏
F1 British GP - Indianapolis - July 11, 2010 in Formula 1 ·
stormybadger8 said:What kind of beer goes best with a backyard BBQ, and what should I 😁

which one should I grab? 😉

EDIT: if anyone is planning on staying tuned in to watch the football game, I'll just pick up an extra case 😬
F1 British GP - Indianapolis - July 11, 2010 in Formula 1 ·
stormybadger8 said:Qualifying
17:30
Donington Park: F1 qualifying session, video footage😢

Race
13:50
Donington Park: F1 for the British Grand Prix, live broadcast

but only on ABC😉👍

Wait, what do you mean by Donington Park now? 🤣😂😂
F1 British GP - Indianapolis - July 11, 2010 in Formula 1 ·
I’m fully expecting you all to show up at my place for a backyard BBQ 🙂
EU, June 25–27, "Miami street Circuit in Formula 1 ·
Amanda Kelly said:Man, thank God this turned into a complete disaster instead of something worse.
Before I give up on the Miami Grand Prix, just tell me one thing:
When some idiot in front of you flies through a red light into a massive intersection (preferably at 2 AM), do you floor it to follow them, or do you hit the brakes?

That really depends on how many beers you've had beforehand, doesn't it?😬 😳