Who's going to do the dirty work in Utopia?
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gentlerider7 said:I guess that’s exactly why people find his stuff so damn entertaining to read.
To each their own.😁
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gentlerider7 said:I guess that’s exactly why people find his stuff so damn entertaining to read.
gentlerider7 said:Look, I get that there's definitely a religious undertone to any kind of utopian thinking, but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.
I mean, Freud argues that back in the day, during the early Enlightenment, having an anti-religious stance and focusing on a rational, technical mindset actually had its perks since it helped shake off the Church's grip, but nowadays? He suggests that kind of logic is basically just used to defend the status quo of the dominant ideology (you know, neoliberal capitalism).
Andrew Booth29 said:It's actually even more interesting that Ricardo laid this all out back in 1817 with his principle of comparative advantage. That’s a massive blow to Marx... honestly, it's incredible how that mentally stunted slacker managed to churn out such a massive tome on Capital when he clearly didn't grasp what he was even writing about. lol.
Marxism is essentially just a 19th-century version of a conspiracy theory. Not that those didn't exist before, of course.
gentlerider7 said:And honestly, isn't that exactly what utopianism is? Just this endless, desperate striving to overcome our own biological limitations (you know, that whole thing the Hegelians call "progressing toward consciousness of freedom")
gentlerider7 said:So, just imagine for a second—what if we weren't actually aiming for this kind of community at all? What if our whole damn goal was just to see how little we could get away with doing while still hanging around? Like, what if the ultimate mission was basically just finding new, creative ways to slack off and master the art of being completely useless? Can you even picture that? Just a bunch of us sitting around, dodging responsibilities and perfecting the craft of doing absolutely nothing while everyone else does the heavy lifting... honestly, wouldn't that be something?
Joseph Bailey41 said:If Joe Biden's only skill is cleaning toilets, I'm starting to doubt his mental state.
Maybe we should just crack him open to see where the short circuit happened? 🤔
gentlerider7 said:I don't even think job rotation is some kind of necessity—that was some other group's idea anyway—but if we're talking about doing things by choice, then yeah, that's entirely up to the individual. There's that famous quote from Marx:
"In a communist society, where no one has a single exclusive sphere of activity, but every one can carry out any activity he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus still permits me to do one thing in the morning, another in the afternoon, and a third in the evening; to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, and tend cattle in the evening; to criticize after dinner, precisely what I please, without ever becoming a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critic."
ruggedraven36 said:That isn't the key to progress. Real progress comes from evolving our consciousness regarding freedom.
ruggedraven36 said:We already live in a society driven by greed and ego—it’s not exactly a blueprint for progress. What you're describing is some kind of utopia. People who are purely motivated by their bank accounts or social standing? They aren't the ones building a better world. They're just maintaining the status quo.
Amanda Flores88 said:Honestly, the only real difference between those "men's jobs" and "women's jobs" is that the guys actually get paid better. Even when you're talking about pro football players. 😛
Amanda Flores88 said:You totally forgot those pathetic pro football players. ☕
Sam Martinez9 said:Women.
It’s the same pattern we've seen throughout history. Women handle the cooking, change the diapers, care for aging parents, tend the garden, clean out the barns, scrub the toilets... and the list goes on.
Casey Bennett said:Is the mod picking their nose with their left hand while clicking delete with their right? Or is it the other way around, depending on their preference? That’s my only theory, but then you have to wonder how the thread starter knows the mod is picking their nose while deleting posts.
stormytiger4 said:None of you guys actually get him. Deleting a post can be pretty gross.
I’ll give you an example to make it clear.
Back when I was a kid, there were these VHS tapes floating around featuring German adult comedies about Heidi. They were pornographic, sure, but they were basically comedies because of how ridiculous they made life in those Alpine villages look. The main character was, predictably, getting busy with everyone. In haylofts, behind tractors... you name it.
Anyway, a sophisticated doctor from Venice once visited their village. While he was busy with her, you could tell it was different—more refined, more dignified. But to make sure nobody missed what was happening, the narrator dropped this gem: "Nobody has ever bedded our Heidi quite that gallantly."
Eric Newman75 said:Look, you can't really blame a philosopher when science is still playing catch-up to their intuition. I mean, what else could they realistically do? Build an electron microscope just to prove a molecular structure? The point is, if the idea is solid, it serves its purpose. If that spark of insight lights a fire under some scientist, then mission accomplished.
The Big Bang was just an idea once, too. Lemaître, Gamow, Alpher... they sketched out the model, and then Bohr, Hubble, and a whole crowd of others stepped up to provide the proof. Everyone chips in a little piece of the puzzle. In fields this complex, there’s no such thing as being 100% right from the jump.
Eric Newman75 said:Look, there’s zero proof that guys like Leucippus or Democritus actually relied solely on logic when they were breaking the world down into atoms. In epistemology, rationalism inherently involves intuition too. It’s the same story with their rivals, starting from Parmenides and moving forward. Most of their actual writings didn't survive, but we can usually tell from other historical sources whether they were actually onto something or just spinning their wheels.