Posts by Jason Campbell70

slydrifter39 said:What should Alonso have said at the press conference? "Yes, it was your order, just ask the boss to let me through." Then they actually would've punished them. What I'm seeing here is just typical Italian sloppiness. Instead of planning it out ahead of time and masking it like the English do, they execute it with the same level of incompetence seen in their pit stops during the pre-Schumacher era—you know, when they couldn't even tighten a wheel and Mansell ends up sliding into a wall on three wheels.

Even the journalists at the BBC are out here defending them (give me a break!).

Yeah, let's slap them with some penalties since they're sloppy and disorganized. Plus, they aren't even cheating well enough. Honestly, rigging a race isn't even unsportsmanlike—it's just optimizing results. Like I said before, what's the point of having two drivers on a team if they both have to work against the overall result?

Look, I gotta mention Massa. He had his shot at the title back in 2008, but he choked because he just didn't have the backbone to handle the pressure. You can't keep handing him opportunities forever. And look at Barrichello—he was the number two guy at Ferrari, then last year he was supposedly on equal footing, and what did he actually achieve? Absolutely nothing.

Or, like redheron12 says, they leave the intake cover off on purpose. 😁

English school. 🙂

slydrifter39 said:What should Alonso have said at the press conference? "Yes, it was your order, just ask the boss to let me through." Then they actually would've punished them. What I'm seeing here is just typical Italian sloppiness. Instead of planning it out ahead of time and masking it like the English do, they execute it with the same level of incompetence seen in their pit stops during the pre-Schumacher era—you know, when they couldn't even tighten a wheel and Mansell ends up sliding into a wall on three wheels.

Even the journalists at the BBC are out here defending them (give me a break!).

Yeah, let's slap them with some penalties since they're sloppy and disorganized. Plus, they aren't even cheating well enough. Honestly, rigging a race isn't even unsportsmanlike—it's just optimizing results. Like I said before, what's the point of having two drivers on a team if they both have to work against the overall result?

Look, I gotta mention Massa. He had his shot at the title back in 2008, but he choked because he just didn't have the backbone to handle the pressure. You can't keep handing him opportunities forever. And look at Barrichello—he was the number two guy at Ferrari, then last year he was supposedly on equal footing, and what did he actually achieve? Absolutely nothing.

It’s almost ironic, isn't it? If Ferrari had actually played their cards right and been more subtle about it, they wouldn't be facing these penalties.

So, it turns out the penalty just acts as an incentive to cheat even better.

Elizabeth Hughes. 🙄

stormybadger8 said:If RB, the only ones being accused of this, actually worked
to make things happen, they would have taken the title last year, and honestly, they'd have it in the bag this year too.

Do you really think their title would be even slightly tainted if they had won it using team orders?

Well, RB is the perfect example of why team orders actually make sense. 👍

Joshua Newman2 said:So, are you actually some kind of tech geek? 🤣 😂 😁

Who's who? That's what the "Biggest Troll on forum.hr" title tells you perfectly. 😎 🙏

Joshua Newman2 said:No, Jason, the principle itself isn't okay. I'm just saying that nobody is a thief until they're caught red-handed. In their case, they were caught, repeatedly. As for everyone else, it's all just talk.

Fine, if that's how you want to play it—Kovalainen never once let Hamilton through, McLaren is absolutely flawless, and Coulthard just happened to have his shoe catch in the brake pedal a few times.

BTW

Joshua Newman2 said:a powerful tech geek leader of the Aryans

Were you referring to one of the more prominent members here on the forum, including me? 🙂

Champions are remembered, but this will be forgotten just like those events at the same track two years ago.

Joshua Newman2 said:There is a distinction here, and I will attempt to explain it: we can speculate that McLaren, Williams, or anyone else employs team orders; people can claim it and be certain, but they don't *know*. But when something like this actually happens, then it becomes a fact. And that knowledge "kills" the sport, the team, and the driver's integrity. Alonso might win the championship now, but he’ll always face the criticism that he couldn't beat his own teammate, and wouldn't have become champion if he hadn't been forced to move out of the way. That doesn't just cast a shadow on the title; it plunges it into total darkness. As for Massa, after this, he can talk all he wants about his form, tire temperature issues, or his ambition and readiness to win, but after yesterday, he's nothing more than a water carrier. Until he moves to another team, nobody will ever take him seriously again. From yesterday onward, his role is simply to fill the grid and look after Fernando Alonso's interests.

Did Button let Hamilton through, or did Hamilton overtake him? If we knew for a fact that he let him through, Button would be no different from Barrichello to Schumacher, Massa to Alonso, or some IT geek serving a powerful leader in a prison cell: just a tool meant to move when things get uncomfortable. But we don't know. We can only assume one way or the other, so Button still maintains some semblance of driver integrity, and Hamilton, if he becomes champion, will have the integrity of a true champion. That is the difference!

I’m sure you all remember how thrilled Alonso seemed just recently when they extended Massa's contract. Well, it turns out that wasn't just coincidence; with that deal, Massa essentially agreed to play his part. Unfortunately, since Ferrari clearly hasn't figured out how to get their actors to deliver a convincing performance, they really should have looked for a number two driver who wouldn't occasionally trip up Alonso. This current setup is easily the worst-case scenario.

So—the principle is fine, but the execution is flawed.

Why the complaints about morality, then?

The reality is, just like in previous years, driver titles have been secured through direct team orders.

Joshua Newman2 said:McLaren isn't exactly one of my personal favorites among the teams, but they handle team orders with much more subtlety. The way I saw things play out at Ferrari yesterday, or even back in the day during the Austrian GP 2002 when Barrichello had to step aside for Schumacher, was unlike anything I've seen from any other outfit—and I'm not saying it hasn't happened elsewhere, just that I haven't witnessed it firsthand. Someone mentioned the intentional crashes earlier, and sure, we've seen that too, but after that mess, Briatore and Simmonds were essentially purged from the sport, and I didn't feel a shred of sympathy for them. My only regret was that Nelshinho didn't face direct consequences, considering the whole thing was his brainchild.

Who actually cares how they try to mask them?
The fact remains they exist, and McLaren (and the McLaren crowd) are trying to slickly convince us there are no team orders, that they have no idea what's happening—all that nonsense.

Besides, regarding the point below, wouldn't someone intentionally crashing into an opponent essentially hand their teammate the title? Oh wait, right. Square. 🙄

Joshua Newman2 said:McLaren isn't exactly one of my personal favorites among the teams, but they handle team orders with much more subtlety. The way I saw things play out at Ferrari yesterday, or even back in the day during the Austrian GP 2002 when Barrichello had to step aside for Schumacher, was unlike anything I've seen from any other outfit—and I'm not saying it hasn't happened elsewhere, just that I haven't witnessed it firsthand. Someone mentioned the intentional crashes earlier, and sure, we've seen that too, but after that mess, Briatore and Simmonds were essentially purged from the sport, and I didn't feel a shred of sympathy for them. My only regret was that Nelshinho didn't face direct consequences, considering the whole thing was his brainchild.

I believe that’s the only thing that should be banned.

I see no reason to ban intra-team agreements. It's one of the most absurd—and frankly, most ridiculous—decisions from Elizabeth Hughes, especially given the penalties handed out.

Joshua Newman2 said:I absolutely agree that Vettel didn't do this on purpose; it was pure instinct. That said, the move was very much in the style of Schumacher (it’s hardly surprising that Jason Campbell70 is defending him 😁).
As for his later stint with Ferrari, I’m honestly speechless... But it goes to show exactly why I, someone who appreciates many different teams, can't stand just one...

How do you view the situation unfolding inside McLaren?

Is that any way to do things?

Joshua Newman2 said:To touch on that point: anyone who has followed F1 since the days when Schumacher ran Ferrari won't be surprised that Massa had to step aside for Alonso yesterday. I’m not saying it’s right or smart; it’s just how they've always operated. No matter how much I criticize Red Bull for their inability to manage a team and throwing away points, I'll always respect them more than teams that don't even pretend to be sporting.

On another note—how are people (especially the folks over at stormybadger8) reacting to Vettel's start and him shoving Alonso into the wall? There are way too many pages to sift through, but if Webber had done that, he would have been branded a lunatic attempting to murder a colleague. I just hope the kid doesn't get a better pass, despite his habit of smoking.😁

He left him plenty of room to get through.

The mistake was staying focused on Alonso instead of immediately moving to shut the door on Massa.

Massa and Alonso were going head-to-head during the first half of the race, and things got incredibly heated.
Even though Alonso had the pace, Massa simply wouldn't let him through.

During the second half, they pivoted to whatever was best for the team and their standing in the championship.

Keep suffering, you Brits. ☕

If you want proof that team orders are actually banned in F1, just look at the list of penalties handed out over the last few seasons.

mistybear87 said:

I’ve been thinking quite a bit lately about Pilatus—specifically those incredible turboprops they build. There is just something about that level of precision engineering that feels almost lost in today's world of mass production, don't you think? It makes me wonder if we focus too much on sheer scale when we should be looking at the elegance of specialized design. It’s one of those things where quality isn't just a buzzword; it's the entire foundation of the machine. kaže:
And besides, you don't actually have to be standing right in front of the car to get it lowered.
Just like a mechanic over at Ferrari. ☕

Come on, let’s be reasonable here—enough with the nonsense. To actually pull that off, they’d need arms that were a mile long just to reach over the rubber. Let's stick to reality, shall we? Thanks for nothing. ☕

So polite and cultured.

Or maybe not.

Just like how Ferrari fans don't go around lifting cars while standing on the sidelines. 😉

Bokić. ☕

redheron12 said:Come on, Jason Campbell70, don't be so harsh—where was this energy when McLaren pulled something equally clumsy and obvious, broadcasted live for everyone to see, only to act completely unapologetic at the press conference?

I never said McLaren doesn't do it, they just tend to be much more subtle about it. 🤷

True, but why even bring up "respect for the sport"? It’s obvious everyone else—and by that, I mean McLaren too—is trying to make fools out of those of us actually watching Formula 1.

Joseph Young57;27982241 said:What was there left to prove once they had already shared a garage?☕

That’s exactly why he made his exit.

Yeah, right. 🙏

Just look at McLaren (especially back in 2007)—the perfect example of how to treat both drivers as equals. 🙄

redheron12 said:It’s not right—let them have their say, I suppose—but maybe everyone does it, just nobody acts this incredibly rude and insulting. Now they can deal with the fallout. I’m not necessarily expecting some massive hammer to drop from the World motorsport Council, but the atmosphere and relationships within the team are going to be completely trashed because of everything that went down today.

Of course they will.

It’s just going to make it crystal clear who the number one driver is and who the number two is.

Actually, it's already been decided.

From here on out, it's all about "saving fuel." 🙏😂🙂

Fernando Alonso, you're the absolute best!

Not even those crooks over at the FIA can stop us. 🙏

redheron12 said:The logic holds up, but you can't execute it like that—it's disrespectful to the fans, the sponsors, and the competition alike. If you absolutely have to make a tactical swap, do it with a bit more subtlety; show at least a modicum of respect for F1 as a sport.

Double standards?

Let's be real: Hamilton won his only title largely because of team orders.

Especially on this track, during that championship season.

Total nonsense. No one cares.

But sure, let's just keep trashing Ferrari instead.

silvergull10 said:Did Massu just completely misjudge his exit speed coming out of that corner? :-D

Looks like Felipe Bebi tripped over the rug. 🙏😁

Henry Morris3 said:And now they really need to slap them with a penalty for this. Especially Fernando... he’s the one who needs it most.

It's the exact same track from two seasons ago—back in 2008.

Didn't you see?

Clearly. ☕

mistybear87 said:Here you go, take a look at those Williams pit stops; even then, the mechanic still has to step back at least once, whereas the Ferrari crew doesn't have to ☕



The efficiency is just on another level, a completely different way of solving the problem ☕

And you can lower a car without standing right in its path, too.
Just like a Ferrari mechanic would. ☕

cosmicridge5 said:I’d have to agree with 😳. Actually, they’re pushing him way more than they push Ferrari Alonso. You can see it clearly now... if Hemić were trailing Button (just like Nando is behind Massa right now) and still had this many points in the standings, things wouldn't look like this. There's no way they'd let Button have a shot at this 😳

And honestly, the gap between Button and Hemić (in terms of skill, points, and the fact that Button is the reigning world champion!) is much smaller than the massive gap between Nando and Massa when you look at everything else 😳

Besides, Button is better looking and taller. 😁

PS Webber was a total disaster during the whole race.

mistybear87 said:He wasn't really "off to the side" if the lift was positioned vertically, forcing him to reach out with his arms fully extended just to touch it.
The Ferrari guy doesn't even have to struggle; he can just pivot the lift toward himself and maybe even sip a beer with one hand while adjusting the jack with the other. 😉

Same level of efficiency, just a different approach. ☕