Posts by Elizabeth Jackson

But unfortunately, there’s more to the story than that...

A certain user, Living the Real Life—who, I should mention, is an older lady but remains quite a fixture on this board—was actually directing these kinds of crude, sexist, and offensive insults right out in the open under the Vaccination thread:

monty-zg said:Shut your damn mouth, Monty. You and those idiots at your house who were "defending" me
Is your brain really so warped that you can't even tell which subforum you're posting in?

As you might already be aware, posting off-topic content only nets you a mere 10 points.

Yet, a single instance of something as crude as a blatant insult earns someone 500.

I suspect that certain users—those whose entire contributions to this forum are practically carbon copies of his own—will likely try to make excuses for such disgusting, low-blow insults, but I don't think there's any justifying this behavior!

A blunt insult = 500 points!

Hate speech = 500 points!

If what was mentioned above doesn't warrant a permanent ban, then I suppose I'm curious to hear what our esteemed supermods actually think about the matter. o ovom:

So, basically... It’s blatant insults and hate speech, repeated multiple times within a single post. To make matters worse, the whole thing was written in ALL CAPS—which is a violation of the rules since it’s considered shouting—but honestly, that’s probably the least of our concerns here.

I suppose I should probably weigh in here, though I’m not entirely sure if my perspective is what anyone was looking for. It feels like we’ve been circling this topic for a while now, and while there’s plenty to unpack, I find myself hesitant to jump to any definitive conclusions just yet. Maybe I'm being overly cautious, but in my experience, things rarely turn out to be as straightforward as they seem on the surface. There's a certain complexity to the situation that I think we might be glossing over in our rush to find a quick answer. If we look at the broader implications—not just the immediate fallout, but the long-term effects on the local economy and how it might ripple through the rest of the country—it becomes much harder to maintain such a black-and-white view. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are layers here. We need to consider the nuances before we start drawing lines in the sand. It’s easy to be loud about a position, but I’ve always found more value in sitting with the uncertainty for a moment. It’s a bit messy, certainly, but perhaps that's just the nature of the beast. kaže:
Elizabeth Jackson It’s a classic case of pure, unadulterated idiocy—and I don't mean the harmless, "oops, I forgot my keys" kind of foolishness. No, we are talking about the truly dangerous, borderline psychotic brand of stupidity. Absolutely zero clue. Honestly. How much longer are you going to let people just run wild on here, spreading nothing but absolute garbage without any consequences??????

What an absolute idiot.Do you actually know? What would actually happen? I suppose we should consider the potential fallout if someone with high blood pressure, diabetes, or a blood clotting disorder were to consume five to eight glasses—or heaven forbid, even more—of this particular drink. It’s a question worth weighing carefully, I think.
So, would you then actually say, "Nobody forced his hand on that one"?

Before you decide to dump your "intelligent" little essays all over this thread, maybe take a moment to actually educate yourself on the physiological implications of mixing medications with ginger. It might be worth a bit of shame, honestly.
Stop playing doctor—you’re clearly not one!

I can’t even begin to describe the absolute level of contempt I feel for you right now. Honestly, you are a complete and utter disgrace—just a total, bottom-feeding degenerate. The moment you spot a thick enough hose, you just start slapping text onto the page without reading a single word.

I suspect we’re going to see more of this kind of blunt, abrasive disrespect. It feels like it's becoming a pattern.

Just to point out... I can't help but notice that quite a few folks around here have been slapped with permanent bans for much smaller infractions than what we're seeing lately. It feels a bit inconsistent, doesn't it? I guess it just seems like there’s a massive double standard at play.Take a look at someone like Mark, for instance. He’s the kind of user who probably went his entire time here without ever seeing a warning, let alone a ban, before that permanent ban hit him out of nowhere. He was incredibly disciplined—hardly ever even picked up a yellow card—but then he made a massive, catastrophic mistake. I mean, seriously, just go back and check the logs to see what actually happened; he messed up big time, and now he's gone for good.

So, if this kind of relentless harassment isn't considered an offense, then what exactly are we calling this constant torment? I mean, honestly, what kind of punishment is even supposed to fit this level of unchecked bullying?

Mark Cruz15 said:I suppose you could say that posts like those are simply a reaction to posts like these.

Would you mind if I made a polite request?

Could you please, for once, just give me a straight answer and explain this to me? What exactly bothers you about posts like these, and which specific rules do they end up breaking? 🙂

Could you please provide a link to the specific rules that were allegedly violated?

Good heavens, what on earth is bothering you? Here is the link to that book discussing alternative medicine. Is this actually on-topic and fitting for this specific subforum? 😵


There really isn't any excuse for being insulting. No matter the circumstances, I just don't see how anyone can justify it. Honestly, what he’s doing constitutes one of the most egregious violations of our community guidelines, and I truly believe it warrants the strictest possible sanction. To be perfectly frank, it feels quite distasteful to see you repeatedly attempting to justify his behavior through such incredibly naive arguments. 🙂

If anyone finds themselves disagreeing with a point I've made, I’d truly appreciate it if you could address it with a bit of grace. Please, feel free to debunk my claims or offer a counterargument, but let's keep it civil, cultured, and intellectually grounded. There's really no need for insults or any kind of low-brow hostility; a well-reasoned rebuttal is always much more effective than being crude.
Is it really impossible for some people to have a conversation without resorting to insults?

Mark Cruz15 said:Look, I really think we need to address this again: food isn't a cure-all. Please, let's stop telling people that what they eat can act as medicine.

Nobody actually said that out loud. They just went ahead and listed a whole bunch of them. There are plenty of examples out there of people sharing their own firsthand accounts regarding their personal journeys and recoveries. I suppose you can find stories like that almost anywhere if you know where to look, though they vary wildly in terms of credibility. Some people lean heavily into anecdotal evidence from their own lives, while others might point toward specific successes they've seen through various methods of alternative medicine. It’s a bit of a mixed bag, really, but the personal narrative seems to be a pretty common way for people to process what they've been through....in alignment with the specific topics they were linked to. 🤷

Mark Cruz15 said:I suppose if I’m being honest, the medical advice and the whole anti-vaccination debate are really the only reasons you end up getting into these heated arguments with other members here.

It seems like nobody is contributing anything at all. Medical advice.Look, please stop trying to insinuate things constantly without providing any actual, valid arguments or links that could truly back up what you're clumsily attempting to suggest. nasilovati.

Do you actually have any idea what medical advice truly entails, or how the process of establishing a diagnosis is even defined?
Where exactly are you seeing that in the PDF?

Furthermore, It seems you’ve made it a habit to label anyone who doesn't see eye-to-eye with you as an anti-vaxxer.Even though a few people have been pretty vocal about saying they aren't part of that crowd—not that they have anything against anyone else getting vaccinated if they want to—they’ve made their stance quite clear. I have personally gone out of my way to reiterate that point on more than one occasion.

Mark Cruz15 said:Show me your credentials so I can verify that you actually grasp the biochemical processes involved in digestion, have a medical degree, and have been actively involved in vaccination discussions.

If you’re going to demand that from someone else, I suppose you should be prepared to provide them yourself, given that you’re participating in this debate just as much as I am.
Furthermore, nowhere in the rules for this alternative medicine forum does it state that one must present proof of "understanding biochemical processes after eating" to participate in a discussion.
So, I guess we’re looking at a cheap insinuation on your part—a completely fabricated standard that simply doesn't exist and has never been a requirement on this subforum.

However, it is explicitly noted in the rules that personal insults are strictly prohibited!

Mark Cruz15 said:If you possess all those qualifications, then I don't see any reason to stop you from giving advice. If you don't, then you're just a charlatan.

All of this, including the forum rules I mentioned, applies to you just as much as anyone else. 😉

Roger Cooper91 said:I’m not entirely sure what led him to that conclusion, but the bottom line is this: you went ahead and targeted me right after I warned you about quoting those specific forum users who have already been put on ignore.

I honestly couldn't tell you what they're even basing that on. I suspect Jerry White29 just made that whole thing up.
I suppose it would be only decent to offer an apology.

Never. I wasn't quoting anyone who's on my ignore list.

Who on earth is claiming that? Honestly, I have to wonder if they’ve completely lost their grip on reality or what. That’s just not true.
Just when I thought we’d seen it all, here comes yet another completely baseless insinuation. It’s one of those claims that simply lacks any sort of foundation—nothing to back it up, really. There isn't a shred of evidence to support it, I suppose.

Roger Cooper91 said:It looks like I've been added to the ignore list as well.

I decided to tag you because I figured you’d be more concerned about someone just mindlessy copy-pasting content than anyone else here. It feels like instead of actually engaging with the subject matter, we’re just getting hit with constant insults.

Roger Cooper91 said:Is this meant to be a blog post or just a discussion thread?

That was my reaction to it. All right, let's get started.

...and you're still acting like you weren't the one at fault:

Roger Cooper91 said:Ethan Barrett22, what exactly is your point here? I feel like I’ve laid out some very specific questions, yet you seem to be completely ignoring them. He’s constantly copy-pasting content as if he’s running his own personal blog.

So, honestly, it doesn't even have anything to do with the people you're quoting. Look, I think you’re taking certain things out of context here. It seems to me that people in this thread tend to cheer for their own side, which leads them to overlook, tolerate, or just completely miss the absolute garbage being pulled by their preferred candidates. I’d say you’re doing exactly that right now. Besides, who exactly are you claiming to have on ignore?

...It seems like a bit of a contradiction, doesn't it? You claim to have no interest in seeing people get insulted, yet here you are, attacking this individual just because he lifted certain passages regarding the topic—and by extension, me—since I was merely quoting those crude insults. It feels a little inconsistent, if I'm being honest. 🤦

That’s exactly why things unfolded the way they did. Well, here we go.

And just like that, I ended up adding Roger Cooper91 to my ignore list.
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On a side note, I’d like to ask the moderators to please take a moment to look over this link. I’ve included several instances of insults from those specific individuals who seem to be the sole reason we're having issues with the Alternative Medicine PDF.
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Roger Cooper91 said:So, are you finally going to answer me—did you go digging through the other forum for that thread about Transurfing?

I suppose I will, provided it actually pertains to this topic.

Roger Cooper91 said:It's pretty funny how you just skipped the second part of my post.😉

There's a reason for that, though I don't think it's relevant here.

You know... you know what I mean.
😁

Roger Cooper91 said:No, you weren't insulting me through the Democratic Party; if anything, you were mostly just justifying Rorion's wild outbursts toward me and arguing that people are generally just malicious.

So, based on what exactly is Jerry White29 claiming that I sent you a "barrage of insults" over at the Democratic Party?
Is Jerry White29 just making things up? Is he lying?
Good grief, folks, can you actually believe this? 😲

Can you go on the record right now and deny that?

Roger Cooper91 said:Hold on, hold on, hold on...

Abraham, don't mess with me. Do you honestly believe that Monty and I are clones? And you actually reached out via private message through the Democratic Party just to try and "expose" me? Good grief, this is pure madness. 🤣🤣

I honestly thought you guys were just trying to wind me up until I lost my cool, but wait—you actually mean this??? 🤣

Alright then, why don't you tell me straight: did I ever actually insult you in our private messages?

Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like you're throwing around accusations of genocide and all sorts of heavy stuff without being able to back any of it up with a single decent link. 🤮

Jerry White29 said:Abraham, don'tact likeyou're pointing out a typo; you've misspelled that word plenty of times in your own posts...

Do you have a link?

But even if I did—so what?

What on earth does that have to do with the topic at hand?

I mean, you constantly start your sentences with lowercase letters, so you're basically making at least one error in every single thing you write. 🙂

And you thinkacting like thisis correct? 😂

Elementary school, my friend, elementary school... 🥱

🙂

Jerry White29 said:Look, Ethan Barrett22, if you just can't—or won't—wrap your head around what's actually happening here, that’s on you. Everyone who has you on mute is just someone trying to call out the nonsense and the blatant lies you keep pushing.

Calling things "nonsense" or "lies" is really just a matter of opinion, isn't it?
It all comes down to perception.

You weren't pointing out errors; you were just being insulting.

Jerry White29 said:Ethan Barrett22, you've messed up more than a few times. You don't bold things like that... try using infinitesimal instead.

So, my typos are what concern you now?
And I'm apparently not allowed to correct anyone?

What exactly am I permitted to do here? 😁

There it is—the classic ad hominem. It seems to be the only argument you guys have left.
I suppose I'm just waiting for my permanent ban now, all because of a few spelling mistakes? 🐔

I suppose I should probably weigh in here, though I’m mindful that my perspective might be a bit more cautious than some of the more vocal folks on this thread. It feels like we’re circling the same drain every few months, doesn't it? There seems to be this recurring pattern where we all get incredibly worked up about a specific policy shift or a sudden move by the administration, only to realize later that the dust had already settled before we even finished our first round of complaints. I was reading a piece earlier today—something about the recent shifts in federal spending—and it struck me how much of our discourse is driven by immediate reaction rather than any sort of long-term structural analysis. Maybe I'm being too cynical, or perhaps I just have a tendency to overthink these things, but it feels like we're often missing the forest for the trees. I mean, look at how people reacted to the last major tax proposal from the Democratic Party. It was pure chaos for a week, and then, almost overnight, it became old news. It makes me wonder if we’re actually making progress in our debates, or if we’re just performing for one another. I guess it’s easy to get caught up in the heat of the moment, but I find myself wishing for a bit more nuance in the conversation. Just a thought, anyway. As I was saying:
Oh, finally! We’re actually laying all the cards on the table now. It seems you’ve finally realized you’ve dug yourself into a bit of a hole, haven't you? You just went ahead and pretty much admitted—quite directly, I might add—that you’ve been lurking in and reading the posts from the "ignore" group.

I suppose I should offer my two cents on this matter. It seems to me that we aren't quite looking at the full picture yet, though I might be overthinking things—it’s hard to say for certain without more data. There's a certain complexity here that I think tends to get overlooked in these kinds of discussions, but perhaps that's just my own bias creeping in. Regardless, I feel it's worth considering a different angle before we jump to any final conclusions.

Ethan Barrett22 said:It’s honestly a bit baffling why I’m even bothering to answer these ridiculous questions when most of you are on my ignore list. I actually had to temporarily lift the block just so we could have a proper discussion, because apparently, I've been told some of you are getting a little too comfortable acting like you own the place. Criminal offenses.. 😁
Beyond that, I think I’ve already mentioned in a few different threads that if I happen to stumble upon one of your posts... On any PDF that undergoes moderation. I'm certainly not going to just turn a blind eye to him.

And this one thinks he’s running the show by moderating.

Well, there you have it.

I suppose I should probably weigh in here, though I’m not entirely sure if my perspective carries much weight given how quickly this conversation seems to be moving. It feels like we’re circling the same few points, and while I see where some of you are coming from, I can’t help but feel there’s a bit more nuance to the situation than what’s being discussed on the surface. Maybe I'm overthinking it—it’s a distinct possibility—but it seems to me that we’re overlooking the broader implications of these recent policy shifts. If you look at how similar moves were handled back when the previous administration was in power, the outcome wasn't exactly what anyone had hoped for. I guess what I'm trying to say is that jumping to conclusions might be premature, even if the current headlines seem pretty definitive. I noticed Jerry White29 mentioned a similar sentiment earlier, and I find myself agreeing with them more than I expected to. There’s a certain level of complexity here that doesn't lend itself to easy answers or quick soundbites. We really ought to take a step back and consider the long-term effects before we decide which side of the fence we want to sit on. Just a thought, anyway. kaže:
Here you go. I’m not entirely sure what you’re getting at there, but I suppose if you’re looking for a specific link, you might want to clarify which one you mean. I guess I could try to track it down for you, though without a bit more context, it feels like I'm searching for a needle in a haystack. Maybe just drop the details? Of course, since you’ve never actually been on these trips, you wouldn't know the half of it. You don't realize that the real heart of the whole experience—the thing that makes it what it is—is having that fresh pot of coffee waiting for us in the morning.

Which pot should I use?

I suppose there isn't much to say here, though I feel compelled to add my two cents to the discussion. It seems we’re circling the same drain without actually reaching a conclusion, which is somewhat typical for these types of threads, I guess. There is an underlying tension in the way everyone is framing this issue, and while I don't want to overstep, I think we might be missing the forest for the trees. Maybe it’s just me, but the current direction of the conversation feels a bit lopsided. I'll leave it at that for now, but I'm curious to see if anyone else senses that same disconnect. kaže:
I mean, come on—that picture was clearly just meant to be a joke.

Which image are we talking about?

I suppose I should probably weigh in on this, given how much ground we’ve covered lately. It feels like we’re circling the same drain, doesn't it? I mean, looking at the current political landscape here in the States, one can't help but feel a certain sense of déjà vu. Everything seems to be moving toward this inevitable friction point, almost as if we were all just waiting for the spark to hit the powder keg. I guess what I’m trying to say is that the discourse around the Democratic Party lately—and I mean specifically regarding their recent policy shifts—has been somewhat... let's call it "unsettling." There’s a certain unpredictability creeping in that makes it difficult to pin down exactly where things are headed. Maybe I’m being overly cautious, or perhaps I’m just seeing patterns where others see chaos, but there is a distinct feeling that the old guard is struggling to find its footing against these newer, more aggressive movements within the party. It’s an interesting time to be watching the news, I suppose. One minute you think you have a handle on the trajectory of our national conversations, and the next, everything shifts under your feet. It’s a bit exhausting, honestly, but I find myself unable to look away. We might need to take a step back and actually analyze the underlying structural issues rather than just reacting to the daily headlines. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. Regardless, I’d be curious to hear if anyone else feels this same mounting tension, or if I'm just overthinking the whole mess. kaže:
And as for those photos, I suppose the only way you could have even laid eyes on them was by digging through private data.

What kind of data are we actually talking about here? 🤦

Ethan Brooks59 said:Every argument has two sides, and you clearly sent those texts from your actual phone before switching over to your free messaging setup and trying to hide behind spoofed numbers.

You’ve completely blown it. 🤦

Ethan Brooks59 said:I couldn't care less about your data, and your little theory about me using the Democratic Party's channels is just as brilliant as those old rumors claiming that unknown and I were related—stuff people just made up when they were out of their minds.

Well, your accusations are just as brilliant.
Honestly, though, your attempt through the Democratic Party was pretty laughable; I knew it was you almost immediately, mostly because of your constant harassment and hateful rhetoric. 😁

Are you planning on making another attempt?

Ethan Brooks59 said:Exactly, which is why you're digging through the private photos of the association.

Which association are we even talking about now? 🤦

Ethan Brooks59 said:I could always post the rest of the messages if that makes it easier for you... let everyone else see them too. Personally, I’d be too embarrassed to act this way. You might want to cover your ears and just go take a breather.

That applies to you, sweetheart. Just calm down and take a deep breath. Everything is going to be fine. 😘

Ethan Brooks59 said:Absolute garbage.

😂
That’s exactly what I’m asking you, my friend! 😂

Look, the reason you’re on my ignore list is simple—you just lack basic decency and you constantly break the community guidelines by being incredibly disrespectful.
It’s pretty much the same story with everyone else who tries to communicate this way.

But honestly, people at your level don't have the capacity to actually offend me. You really should have realized that a long time ago, though I suppose you've spent the last year trying your absolute hardest to prove otherwise by throwing every insult in the book at me.

You just can't, you have to understand. 🙂

Jerry White29 said:I’m honestly brilliant, Ibro. I really am. I know my stuff, which I suppose is exactly why I ended up being the very first person you added to your ignore list—you just couldn't stomach the way I systematically tore apart all those idiots you insist on defending.

Cut the clichés, Jerry White29. I mean, let’s be honest—you haven't exactly left a trail of destruction behind you. Not even a little bit.

You’ve spent your entire time on this subforum resorting to personal attacks and ad hominem insults. Honestly, that seems to be the absolute limit of your "expertise"—it’s all you can manage, and frankly, it's what every single one of your posts boils down to.

I guess there isn't much to say here, other than perhaps... right here. It’s hard to believe that we’re only seeing an infinitesimal fraction of what you’ve actually put together in this opus. If you look further down, you'll see... Jerry White29).

That’s exactly why you ended up on my ignore list. Honestly, since there aren't any moderators active right now to step in, I just didn't have the energy to sit through your insults. It’s the exact same reason everyone else on my block list is there, too.

And since I’m under the distinct impression that everyone here follows my posts with such unwavering devotion— I’m fairly certain you all remember my promise: as soon as the moderator gets their hands on the PDF, I'll be removing everyone from my ignore list.Because at that point, you won't even have three clean shots left to take—you'll be smaller than a grain of sand.
Once you all learn how to practice a bit of basic decency and civility, I might actually see a reason to keep this conversation going with you. 😉

One last thing from me, honey—look, you have your take on this, and Ethan Brooks59 has his, and that’s perfectly fine by me. I don't really have any issue with us seeing things through different lenses; after all, I suppose that's exactly why these forums exist in the first place.
I suppose we should probably get into this. It feels like there’s a growing consensus building around certain points, though I suspect some might find my perspective a bit too cautious or perhaps overly analytical. That said, I think it’s worth taking a moment to step back and look at the broader implications here. It isn't just about the immediate fallout, which is certainly significant enough on its own, but rather how this shifts the landscape for everyone involved. I guess you could say we’re looking at a fundamental change in how things operate under the current framework. Maybe I'm being a bit too pedantic, but I feel strongly that if we don't account for these nuances now, we'll likely find ourselves scrambling to catch up later. It seems almost inevitable that this will trigger a series of adjustments, though whether those adjustments will be beneficial remains to be seen. I'd certainly prefer to see a more structured approach to handling the transition, but I realize that's easier said than done. I feel it’s worth reiterating that any form of personal insults or verbal abuse constitutes a direct violation of our community guidelines. We want to maintain a certain level of decorum here, so let's try to keep things civil., It isn't really about expressing a personal opinion on the matter. 😵

It seems like a bit of a silly question to ask why I’m even bothering to respond when you're all on my ignore list—but honestly, I only lifted the block temporarily because I was told some people were getting a little too pushy with me. I figured I'd step back into the fray just to have a proper discussion. Criminal offenses.. 😁
Besides that, I’ve mentioned in various threads that if I happen to stumble upon one of your posts... It applies to any PDF that goes through the moderation process. I have no intention of just looking the other way.

And this one is actually acting as a moderator.

Ethan Brooks59 said:Furthermore, based on the data presented, it has become abundantly clear that this Ethan Barrett22 individual is frantically hunting for users' private information across various websites and forums only to present it in specific threads just to launch ad hominem attacks, banking on the fact that he won't face any consequences due to the lack of moderation.

And where exactly am I presenting them?
If you have evidence, why don't you just post the links? 🐔
As you can see, I have backed up my arguments with actual links.

Why haven't you?

Regarding this business about private data—whatever I am supposedly seeking or not seeking, you can take that nonsense elsewhere; honestly, save those cheap stories for someone who hasn't seen through you. I actually have solid proof that you were the one attempting to fish for my personal details in a rather naive and foolish way via PM, though as you can tell, it didn't work out for you.😁

And please, spare me the accusations about things I have absolutely nothing to do with. Knowing you, it’s clearly just another fabrication.
I don't care about you even one percent, and frankly, I couldn't care less about you or your pathetic existence.

You can see for yourself that I haven't responded to your posts for months; I haven't wasted a single second of my time on you because you simply aren't worth the effort. However, everyone can see that you have been constantly stalking, harassing, attacking, and insulting me for basically every single letter I type on this subforum.
So, if anyone wants to know who is truly obsessed with uncovering someone else's private info...

Just stop the slander and the attacks and leave me alone. Consider that some genuine advice, because I'll be blunt: I actually considered filing a private lawsuit over the mountain of insults and defamation you've hurled at me here. I had a massive collection of screenshots ready, and I still do, but in the end, a close contact of mine who works in the legal system talked me out of it, suggesting I shouldn't bother wasting my energy on such trivialities and petty drama... and so, I (clearly being a fool) decided to let it go.

There you have it. That’s the person you seem so incredibly interested in. 🐔

Jerry White29 said:If you're worried about losing credibility, I'd say you and your followers are doing more damage than anyone else by posting such nonsense.

Well, calling something nonsense is just your subjective opinion. I happen to see things quite differently.

Actually, on this forum, nobody is held accountable for having a subjective opinion; people only get flagged for breaking the rules.
So, I don't think the issue lies with anyone's personal viewpoint, but rather with the insults being hurled at those who simply provide more detailed arguments.

Jerry White29 said:I’ll try to frame this in a way that makes sense to you... If someone starts calling another person a psychopath just because of some petty disagreement on an online forum—and they're actually making threats to boot—then I guess we're dealing with someone who is genuinely unhinged. That's just going too far.

I suppose I agree that only an absolute psychopath would act in such a manner, though I honestly can't quite wrap my head around what you'd even call someone like that, or what their actual motivation could possibly be. 🤷

Honestly, I don’t have the slightest clue who this person is, nor do I care even a fraction of a percent. But given that he’s spent months obsessively targeting me—which is pretty painfully obvious considering the dozens of insulting posts he’s dropped—I suppose this is just his latest desperate attempt to get under my skin now that he’s run out of actual arguments.
At the end of the day, if there’s some sort of drama unfolding in his private life, I honestly can't wrap my head around why he thinks I'm the one responsible for causing it. We aren't even acquaintances, let alone friends—we don't communicate at all—yet he seems to have decided that I am somehow the target for his constant insults and attacks. It just doesn't make any sense, I guess. 😁
It’s just... it's all so incredibly obvious.😁

Besides, there are actual institutions designed to handle these matters. It seems more appropriate that they direct their concerns there rather than continuing to clutter up this forum with the same grievances. 🙄

Jerry White29 said:I don't doubt a single word of what Ethan Brooks59 wrote. To be honest, Ethan Barrett22 actually reached out to me privately to have a chat about it, just like he did with Roger Cooper91. But where Roger Cooper91 might have gone along with it, I decided to shut that down immediately. I told him straight up that if we have things to say, we should say them right here in the open for everyone to see. While Roger Cooper91 was agreeing to the terms, he ended up catching quite a volley of insults for his trouble.

How on earth did you find out what he and I were discussing in our private messages?

Could you perhaps shed some light on how exactly you arrived at that conclusion? I’m curious to know where you're getting your information from.

No, Now, hold on just a second—I’m fairly certain that isn't actually true....in those few messages. I didn't say a single nasty thing to him—not even one little word.
If things had actually played out that way—considering how much this person has been hounding and insulting me for months now without me ever once lifting a finger in response—then... I honestly can't wrap my head around why he didn't report me for those awful insults back there. I guess it's just one of those things that leaves you wondering.

Of course, Because they’re nothing more than fabrications, if you ask me.

Honestly, I don't have any issue with the administration stepping in to double-check things and verify the facts, if that’s what it takes to get this sorted out.
It is somewhat curious to observe that you seem to be relying exclusively on arguments that you aren't actually capable of substantiating, let alone presenting with any degree of clarity. 😁

It’s becoming pretty obvious that on this thread—just like in the PDF—a handful of you are exclusively using... It seems we’ve drifted into the territory of the *ad hominem* argument. Rather than addressing the substance of what was actually said, it feels like the focus has shifted toward attacking the individual making the point. I suppose it's a common enough reflex when a debate gets heated, but it doesn't really move the needle on the actual issue at hand, does it? It’s a bit of a detour from the logic we were originally discussing..

The term *ad hominem*—which is Latin for "to the person"—is essentially shorthand for an *argumentum ad hominem*. In the world of logic and debate, this refers to a specific type of fallacy where someone bypasses the actual merits of an argument to launch a direct attack on the individual making it instead. It’s a bit of a cheap shot, really. Rather than addressing the substance of what is being said, the critic shifts the focus toward the person's character, background, or traits, presumably to discredit their position by association. I suppose you could say it's an attempt to win a debate not through superior reasoning, but through social or personal sabotage. Essentially, you’re looking at a logical fallacy where someone tries to dodge the actual substance of an argument by attacking the person making it instead. It’s that classic move where, rather than addressing the facts or the logic presented, they pivot to pointing out some perceived flaw, negative trait, or questionable belief held by the speaker. I guess you could call it a way of trying to discredit the message by casting doubt on the messenger—which, honestly, rarely does much to actually disprove the point being made.

By the way, since we’re bringing up the topic of cancer treatment research and why that thread was shut down, here only a tiny fraction of the actual insults from that discussion remains on file. A whole lot of other vitriol—some even harsher than what you see—was scrubbed away, much like most of these posts were later on.

I can't help but wonder if anyone actually believes this kind of behavior is acceptable, or that it wasn't the primary reason the thread was closed in the first place?

Or perhaps this kind of conduct is actually encouraged and perfectly fine here?
If that's the case, then come on, moderators—just say so plainly to everyone, and we'll all start acting this way too. 🤷
But no, despite everything, I've personally never stooped to that level of communication.

This collection of insults found in the link I provided only serves to prove that this endless stream of toxicity has been going on for months, driven by the exact same group of people and the fundamental issue with this subforum is quite simply their constant harassment.

The primary and, frankly, only real issue within the Alternative Healing PDF is the sheer amount of insults and ad hominem attacks being thrown around—even here in this thread—by the specific individuals I’ve already mentioned. 🤦
I suppose it's actually a good thing, because the moderators will be able to see exactly how things stand for themselves.

We all generally agree that this forum is meant to be a space for exchanging ideas and healthy debate, yet these people seem to ignore that principle entirely right from the jump because they dismiss any dissenting view and resort to attacking anyone who doesn't share their perspective.

It feels as though no one is allowed to have an opinion if it deviates from their own; they fight tooth and nail against any differing viewpoint, usually through blunt insults, subtle insinuations, and constant ad hominem strikes.
I'll provide more links to document all of this if the thread isn't locked first, as I can't get to them quite this second.

It is also rather interesting that they can't seem to produce a single link or quote to back up their claims, whereas I have gone to great lengths to support my points and have documented a mountain of their insults and personal attacks. And honestly, that’s just a tiny fraction of what they’ve dumped throughout the entire PDF; I wouldn't mind at all providing even more evidence if needed.

The reality is that ever since the moderator was removed from Alternative Medicine, a handful of threads on this sub-forum have been constantly being obstructed by a small group of the exact same users who seem to be violating the rules in the worst possible ways — specifically Ethan Brooks59, Plant112, Roger Cooper91, Jerry White29, Al dente, and urbangull90.

None of these users ever contribute anything constructive or stay on topic; instead, they’ve turned those specific threads mentioned by Kimberly Ward into a staging ground for personal vendettas against anyone brave enough to hold a different opinion , though most people don't even bother responding to their nonsense —they just stick to the actual discussion and put them on ignore.

Their posts are nothing but pure ad hominem attacks, harassment, off-topic rambling, and blatant insults that just loop over and over again.

Back when this sub-forum actually had moderation, none of this would happen.

The insults are practically a daily occurrence, much like what I’ve linked here (and that’s just a tiny sample I quickly pulled up via Google), and honestly, this behavior has been dragging on for over a year now, ever since the moderator left.

I fully expect this thread to get locked, especially if I start dropping more links to back up my claims, but it really is high time this pattern of verbal abuse and rule-breaking is shut down. This kind of thing doesn't happen on any decent forum in the US. It makes no sense to let a tiny clique drag down the entire reputation of this community.

I do have one question for the staff responsible for keeping order here: why haven't the numerous violations I've pointed out right here resulted in any sanctions at all, not even a warning?
It seems strange, because I know plenty of others have received permanent bans for much smaller infractions.

Okay, I get it—there isn't a moderator for Alternative Medicine, so maybe we shouldn't expect much oversight there.
However, we do have supermoderators here on PDF Natural Science, yet for some reason, they aren't stepping in to address this...

Mark Cruz15 said:Yes, practicing medicine without a license is strictly illegal. But I wonder, what exactly do we call it when someone with zero medical training starts handing out unsolicited advice about life-threatening illnesses?

Don't you worry about a thing, my fellow forum brothers. I have to say, I feel like I have a pretty solid grasp on the legalities of this whole situation. I’ve spent quite a bit of time looking into the specifics, and I suppose I'm reasonably confident in my understanding of how the law actually functions here in the States.And, when there’s something I truly don't know, I happen to have a very, very, very close connection working within the judicial system, so I can usually get the most accurate information and everything else I might need directly from the source. 😉

As far as the questions are concerned... I suppose neither you, nor I, nor anyone else on this forum can truly claim to know—nor should we really be concerned with prying into anyone's private business—who among us might actually hold a medical degree (or any other credential, for that matter, which is arguably just as trivial). Regarding this thread......unless, of course, you happen to know them personally.

I suppose I’m just a bit stumped by one thing: what happens if someone on this forum actually holds a medical degree, or perhaps some other specialized professional credential? I honestly can't quite wrap my head around how that would even work here. I’m struggling to see how any of this actually relates to the original thread, which was started specifically because someone was being disrespectful toward one of our female members. I guess I'm just wondering what the connection is here.?
Does one actually need a medical degree for this kind of behavior? Or perhaps it takes three separate university degrees just to prove that someone is pathologically committed to being insulting? 🤦

Furthermore, I honestly can't quite wrap my head around who exactly you're implying was handing things out to people. I'm really not sure who you're referring to with these accusations. "Medical advice." Regarding the matter at hand. "Fatal illnesses"? That’s a heavy way to put it, isn't it? I suppose it depends on how you're looking at things, but it certainly carries a certain weight when you say it out loud. It feels a bit more clinical and final than just saying someone is "critically ill." Maybe that's the point, though—to emphasize the gravity of the situation. I guess it's one of those terms where the nuance really matters depending on the context.
I have to say, I haven't encountered anything quite like that in any of the discussion threads I frequent. It’s certainly a first for me.

But, if you happen to have links handy, and if you’re under the impression that they might actually violate the forum rules... I honestly don't quite follow—if this is bothering you quite this much, why don't you just start your own thread over on the main forum? You could just attach a bunch of links as proof and let everyone see for themselves. Finally. Will you actually manage to solve that massive headache? 🤷

To wrap things up, I have one final on-topic question for you: Do you really think it's acceptable to insult a female member of this forum, regardless of the circumstances? It seems we’ve drifted into the territory of insults. I suppose it was somewhat inevitable given the direction this conversation has taken, though I must admit I find it all rather tedious. There is a certain lack of grace in how people are choosing to address one another lately; it feels less like a debate and more like a series of cheap shots. Personally, I’ve always felt that if you can’t make a point without resorting to personal slights, you’ve probably already lost the argument. It’s just a bit undignified, don't you think? Maybe I'm being too old-fashioned, but I'd much prefer we stick to the actual topics at hand instead of this downward spiral. I suppose one could argue that this stands as one of the most egregious violations imaginable. Forum Rules I suppose it’s only fair to lay out the ground rules before we get too deep into the discussions. To ensure this remains a space where people can actually engage without everything devolving into chaos, I think we should all agree to follow a few basic principles. It isn't about being overly restrictive—far from it—but rather about maintaining a certain level of decorum that makes the community worth being a part of. First and foremost, let's try to keep things civil. We don't have to agree on everything—in fact, healthy disagreement is probably what keeps things interesting—but there is a line between a spirited debate and simple hostility. Personal attacks, harassment, or any kind of targeted vitriol toward other members won't be tolerated here. I imagine we’d all prefer a space where we can disagree without feeling like we need to duck for cover. Regarding content, please try to keep posts relevant to the topics at hand. While it might be tempting to veer off into endless tangents, staying somewhat focused helps everyone find the information or conversation they came here for. If you're starting a new thread, try to pick a title that actually reflects what you're talking about; it saves a lot of confusion down the road. Spamming and self-promotion are also big no-nos. We aren't here to be a billboard for various products or services, and flooding the boards with repetitive nonsense just clutters up the experience for everyone else. Lastly, I'd ask that you respect the privacy of our members. What happens in the threads stays in the threads. Building a community requires a baseline of trust, and I think we all benefit when we feel secure in our interactions. I guess if we can all stick to these general guidelines, we should be able to maintain a high-quality environment for discussion. Let's keep it smart, keep it respectful, and most importantly, keep it interesting. Could you take a look at point number three? I'd really appreciate your thoughts on that specific part.

Kimberly Ward said:To isn't actually about Mark Cruz15; it’s about Arthur Smith15. And I should clarify—this isn't some kind of joke. It seems to me that this is nothing more than a targeted attempt to insult another member, coupled with some pretty blatant slander. Since there doesn't seem to be anyone actually moderating this forum, I suppose we're all just left to our own devices. If this had happened on any other subforum, they probably would have been sanctioned immediately for the insults.Well, since the moderators aren't weighing in on this, I suppose it doesn't really matter what any of us think.

It’s only a matter of time before it all comes to light. I suspect it will eventually manifest itself, quite clearly, if you know where to look. I honestly can't help but notice certain individuals who seem to make it their personal mission to throw insults into almost every single thread they touch. It’s becoming a bit of a pattern, isn't it? If they keep up this aggressive, insulting tone, I suspect the administrators will eventually step in and shut the whole thread down.

Regarding those forum members whose insults actually prompted you to start this thread— It seems to me that Arthur Smith15 hasn't contributed a single constructive post to the Alternative subforum. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that almost every single one of his entries is either outright insulting or relies entirely on ad hominem attacks rather than actual logic.

Just a few quick snippets from Al Dent's recent forum essays... I’ve been sharing my thoughts across the entire Alternative subforum, touching on pretty much every single thread:

Arthur Smith15 said:The accusation is completely baseless because (1) this "Al Dent" person doesn't even exist. Perhaps, in your limited literacy, you've confused him with me?

Arthur Smith15 said:You’re spewing anti-vax nonsense, which I suppose makes you worthy of every bit of criticism coming your way.

Arthur Smith15 said:
The charge is invalid since (2) neither "Al Dent" nor I ever actually wrote "you are impersonating someone."
Aside from being somewhat illiterate, you seem to have quite a bit of trouble actually comprehending what's been written.

Arthur Smith15 said:Once again, you've outed yourself as some sort of shadowy reptilian agent on this forum. Or perhaps you're just a manic paranoid with an uncontrollable urge to type...

Arthur Smith15 said:You aren't doing too well, lady; honestly, now I'm getting worried. Did you take something this morning?

Arthur Smith15 said:Listen, don't bother stressing yourself out over having "over a billion neurons"; leave that to your fiancé and focus on looking after your patients instead. I certainly hope you didn't show up to work in ripped pants again today...

Arthur Smith15 said:Sister Veronica, is that really you?

Arthur Smith15 said:Were you being untruthful when you told those cameras you graduated from nursing school in Chicago?

Arthur Smith15 said:Silvek, before you integrate, try tightening your gear so all the blood rushes straight to your brain.

Arthur Smith15 said:The fact that you—an uneducated alternative type—think one actually needs to "verify" things just to notice your own literacy issues... goodness me...

Anyway, the next time I catch you lecturing someone on grammar or linguistics, I’ll be sure to point out once again that you're nothing more than a semi-literate fool, an ignoramus, and a hypocrite; it really doesn't take much effort at all😁

Arthur Smith15 said:If this is coming from Ethan Barrett22, a guy known as total trash and a hack who tells sick people that medicine is a scam and that cancer can be cured with bone marrow, then it's hardly a compliment

Arthur Smith15 said:It’s all for nothing, really. You went through all that trouble painting everything, but I suspect you didn't earn any extra credit from the Almighty for your efforts. Go ahead and be exactly who you are: an aggressive provocateur and a total charlatan.

Arthur Smith15 said:It seems you aren't feeling any remorse at all— You were a piece of work then, and frankly, you haven't changed much since.

Arthur Smith15 said:Look, Look, you might have a history of sitting on a therapist's couch, but I think there's a massive difference between being a patient and actually being a professional. Just because you've navigated your own mental health struggles doesn't mean you've suddenly earned the right to call yourself an expert. Experience is one thing, but expertise is quite another entirely. 😁 I suppose you’re suggesting that I’m some sort of uneducated, short-sighted individual who barely scraped through a couple of years of high school, yet somehow carries himself with the misplaced confidence of a scholar. It's an interesting assessment, I guess, though perhaps a bit more dramatic than necessary.

Arthur Smith15 said:I suppose if you’re looking to label me, you might settle on calling me a forum liar, a mental patient, a paranoid conspiracy theorist, or an ultra-rightist. I guess that's one way to look at it, though I suspect the reality is far more nuanced than such blunt categorizations suggest.

Arthur Smith15 said:I honestly think you’re being incredibly dim-witted here. 😁

Arthur Smith15 said:Oh, come now, how could you possibly think otherwise? It seems like on this forum, you’ll always run into the uneducated and the conspiracy theorists—people like yourself—who just can't stop constantly quoting Darwin.

Arthur Smith15 said:You aren't "pointing out" anything, you absolute dimwit, and frankly, your ability to express yourself is just tragic. It’s almost funny, how people with such fractured psyches can make an obvious mistake and still double down, arguing away with zero logic and even less dignity...

Arthur Smith15 said:You really are a pathetic sight. I wonder how your God views you making up someone else's heritage? Do you honestly think He rewards lying?

Arthur Smith15 said:... Ethan Barrett22 writes, in all his foolishness, convinced he's actually insulting others 😁

Arthur Smith15 said:Such a pompous little lecture from a self-proclaimed guru, only to stumble over basic grammar in the very sentence where he tries to act smart. 😁When dealing with non-living things, it isn't "whom," it's "which," you complete idiot...

Arthur Smith15 said:stormyrider28, go ahead and defend the boss— he’s been an idiot yet again, but I’m sure you’ll dig up some excuse for him.

Arthur Smith15 said:Aren't you worried that all this constant squeezing and overheating your junk goes through in those tight leggings might actually lead to impotence or infertility? I mean, if that happens, it’ll make all that effort you spend protecting your pride and joy from bulldogs and other pushy dogs completely pointless.

Arthur Smith15 said:Has things taken a turn for the worse? I suppose I have to wonder—did you decide to skip your medication?

Administration... honestly, is there anything else you need from me? 🙂

Mark Cruz15 said:Because of the anti-vaxxers... They’re just spreading panic and trying to scare people. The risk is that if people simply refuse to get vaccinated, we’re going to see more people dying. It’s a grim possibility, I suppose.

In your previous post, you seemed to be singing a slightly different tune— You were actually making excuses for the insults. Does it actually work—in your opinion, I mean? The spread of such toxic propaganda is truly something else.

Mark Cruz15 said:Stop. Spreading such toxic propaganda... honestly, it’s just exhausting. I mean, let's be honest—it's highly unlikely anyone is actually going to want that. To insult.

Personal attacks and insults constitute a direct violation of our community guidelines. And even then, I don't think there's any real justification for it.
After all, I suppose that’s exactly what this forum is for—to provide a space where we can actually exchange ideas and hash things out. Everyone should be free to voice their own opinions, provided they aren't stepping over the line or breaking the rules.
If you find yourself at odds with someone, If you think you can actually manage to explain that to him, be my guest—though I wouldn't exactly hold my breath. ...or just close him down entirely. I suppose I should just ignore this.But you really shouldn't go around insulting him.
You already know all of this, but for some reason... It seems you’re trying to defend someone who hasn't contributed a single meaningful thought to this forum—unless, of course, that contribution was an insult or a cheap ad hominem attack.

And just a quick little follow-up:

Mark Cruz15 said:It all comes down to the anti-vaxxers, I suppose. Spreading panic. i It seems to be frightening people. I suppose there's also the possibility that people just choose not to get vaccinated. Then people die.

This should serve as proof.
And then there’s the constant spreading of panic and the way people are being frightened—especially... It’s a heavy thought, isn't it? The idea that someone could actually cause a person's death simply by posting on an online forum. I suppose it sounds like something out of a dark psychological thriller, but when you really sit with it, the implications are pretty staggering. I mean, we talk so much about "online discourse" and "internet drama" as if they are just harmless digital noise, but there’s a real weight to our words. If a series of posts triggers a mental health crisis, or if someone uses a platform to incite direct, physical harm against an individual, then the line between a digital comment and a fatal action starts to blur significantly. It makes me wonder where the legal accountability lies in those extreme cases. Is it just reckless speech, or does it cross into something more sinister? I guess it depends on how you define intent, but it’s certainly a chilling concept to contemplate. Those are some pretty bold claims, and... Serious allegations. I suppose you're wondering about the scope of what I can actually handle. It’s a fair question, really. I guess it depends on how you look at it, but generally speaking, I can tackle just about any topic you throw my way—provided we're looking for a thoughtful, well-structured response. Whether you need me to dive deep into a complex subject, help refine some writing, or perhaps just offer a bit of perspective on a specific issue, I'm game. I tend to favor a more measured approach, so if you're looking for someone to weigh the pros and cons or provide a detailed breakdown of a situation, that's right up my alley. I might hedge a little here and there—because, let's be honest, few things in life are absolute—but I'll always aim to give you something substantial to work with. So, feel free to lay it out for me. What's on your mind?
I honestly don't think there's any real need to go shoving that in here. 😉

The user simply pointed out a blatant violation of the rules, and honestly, she’s well within her rights to demand that some actual consequences be handed out for it. Insulting others... honestly, I feel like we need to talk about this. It seems to be becoming a bit of a trend lately, doesn't it? There’s a certain coarseness creeping into our discussions that I find increasingly difficult to ignore. While I understand that passions run high—especially when we're debating something we truly care about—resorting to personal attacks feels like a massive step backward. It doesn't actually strengthen an argument; if anything, it just makes the person hurling the insult look a little desperate, I suppose. I guess we should aim for a bit more decorum, even when we disagree vehemently. Because, at the end of the day, there’s really no excuse for being disrespectful.

And here we go again. It’s becoming quite a predictable pattern, isn't it? This constant pivoting away from the actual subject matter through these tired insinuations—it feels like the same handful of people trying to pull the exact same stunt over and over. It seems like their primary goal is to drag the conversation down into petty, personal territory just to avoid addressing the real reason this entire discussion was even started in the first place. Insulting behavior.

@Kimberly Ward/">@@Kimberly Ward, I won't be using the report button because the Alternative subforum hasn't had a moderator for a full year now. 👎
Unfortunately, that’s exactly why we see this constant stream of insults from a handful of the same regular users; they know there won't be any consequences.

You can probably notice it yourself, as a few of those same individuals (just take a look at my ignore list) seem to write every single post on the Alternative board with the sole purpose of insulting, using ad hominem attacks, and harassing anyone with a different opinion.
Not one of their posts is an exception.

Let's hope the administration decides to take a look at this. 🕺

@Mark Cruz15/">@@Mark Cruz15, while you don't typically follow that specific modus operandi, it really isn't right to support the verbal abuse of others just because they hold a view different from yours or anyone else's. 👎

We all know this forum is meant to be a place for exchanging ideas.
So, why is it so unacceptable to you when someone thinks differently than you do?

On what basis do you feel entitled to label someone else's perspective as sick propaganda and back the harassment of that person?

Maybe someone else feels the exact same way about your own views, but they still respect them and refrain from attacking anyone.