Posts by mistywolf17

William Mitchell50 said:If you could just step outside of that bubble of arrogance and prejudice for a moment, I think you might actually see the point of my question.

I hope that now that I’ve brought this up in your PDF, you finally understand my intentions. One. William Mitchell50.
I was wondering if there are two William Mitchell50s on this forum? 🤔

Engaging with users directly within the PDF through a dedicated thread like this might actually help foster more constructive dialogue, I guess.

I realize you might be on the younger side, but I think it would be beneficial if you tried to work on communicating a bit more politely. 😍
I suppose you could actually apply that to real life.

Let's lock this thread. I wouldn't want mistywolf17 or one of those high-and-mighty moderators to be forced into answering forum questions by mistake. 🙄

Ah, my apologies. I didn't realize right away that this was actually part of your diabolical scheme to tear apart the USA and its moderators using nothing but constructive criticism. 🙂

Regardless of my age, I don't see any reason to be polite to rude people who are twice my age.

Aha, I suppose you were expecting me to go on a long rant apologizing for that post. To be honest, I really don't have the energy for it; it feels quite exhausting, even though I do have a specific reason for why I wrote it that way.

It was a major topic for maybe three or four years, but even then, it wasn't really being used much. During my first year of moderating, I think maybe only five people actually asked anything about it.
It’s sitting there in the thread list right now, and honestly, you don't have to go out of your way to find it. However, we might consider moving the thread back up to the top. Personally, I’d love to see some suggestions from the community regarding how we handle the subforums.

feralpilot0 said:On the main forum, there's an 'appeals book' for minor inquiries that don't quite meet the standards for the official board. It works perfectly fine enough. 🤷

We have a thread like that here too, though for some reason, nobody ever seems to use it. 🤷

Nicholas King, what exactly am I supposed to do if I get a strike? What then? 😍

Of course. I’m just eagerly awaiting the moment I have to justify every single thread I move, merge, or close to William Mitchell50.

😕

fadedheron892 said:Brandon Castillo4, you and mistywolf17 clearly don't get that the Finger of Fate is way more than just some random chat.
Do you seriously think your little "Are you guys screwing me over better than this chat?" thread actually matters?
If you had actually dropped that nonsense about gold diggers and why people stay in toxic relationships right there in the main chat, believe me, you would have been flooded with actual quality, constructive feedback—and you probably would've even met someone in the process. So tell me, how much weight do you honestly give to an opinion from a total stranger on one of your own threads?

Why don't we want to be Off topic?

Because this chat is the one damn bright spot in all of America amidst a massive pile of whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice.
Because it's through this specific chat that so many lonely hearts have found each other and started hanging out.
Because no new lonely heart is ever going to wander into the Off topic section looking for other lonely hearts to connect with.

Then why don't you all participate so constructively on the subforum otherwise? Why don't you start interesting discussions there? Why do you choose to write all this in a somewhat closed chat meant for a specific group?

Because this chat is the only bright spot in the entire US compared to the endless whining, insults, mockery, and useless advice found elsewhere.
Because it’s through this very chat that many lonely hearts have connected and found companionship.
Because no newly lonely heart is going to head over to Offtopic to search for other lonely hearts.

That's why. Because for most of you, the US is just one big whining session and you're sick of it. You want a chat where you can talk about everything without anyone complaining or crying. But why would you even read or engage with those kinds of threads? Because those types of topics are what make up the subforum. I suppose most people can't handle reading them because they find it too depressing, so they'd rather just have cheerful chats. But maybe do that on a different subforum. On the US, it just doesn't make sense.

Jessica Watson4 said:Look, I participate, and plenty of other people do too, but isn't it just common sense that I'll end up posting more in the chat topic than anywhere else?
I post whenever I actually have something to say. Usually, I'll read through an entire thread only to find that everyone is just repeating what was already said on the first few pages—it basically turns into endless bickering and nonsense. Does it really make sense to jump into those discussions just to claim I'm a member of the US?
Sorry, but I'd much rather keep the casual chat in the chat topic. On the other threads, I prefer to write only when I feel like I can actually add some real value or bring something new to the table.
To me, that feels way better than cluttering up every single thread with off-topic chatter, repeating the same point five times over, or turning everything into a giant complaining match or an argument.

My advice? Just open a dedicated chat topic and moderate it properly, then keep the other threads focused. Because let's be real: the US needs a space for chatting much more than it needs it scattered across every random PDF thread.

Edit: More people have met up and made real-life friends through finger than they have across the rest of the sub-forum combined, whether it's IRL or via VL. Every day, someone new shows up, stays, or moves on. Without the chat, that community spirit just won't exist anymore.

I'm sorry, but most people don't really participate. In fact, Amanda James27 is probably the one most active on this sub-forum. As for everyone else, some might leave maybe 5 to 10 posts a month, while others don't post anything at all outside of the chat.

Regarding moderating a chat, it would take me several hours a day to monitor it properly. Do you really think any of the moderators have that kind of time or even want to spend it that way? 😕 But that's not really the point right now, because those chats aren't very productive anyway.
Like I've mentioned before, I think a themed chat would actually make sense.

Jessica Watson4 said:Alright, let me put you on the spot here—hopefully, you can give me a response that actually holds water.
What is the actual logic behind not having a chat on a subforum specifically titled "Lonely Hearts"?
I mean, I could wrap my head around them not having a chat in some random PDF section, but we're talking about a subforum where lonely people gather, likely with the intention of meeting someone—even just virtually through conversation—rather than just posting on threads or leaving classified ads.
It just doesn't click for me, especially given the explanation from mistywolf17. Honestly, I'm surprised she even tried to frame that as logical; to me, it feels like nothing more than a whim, which isn't how she usually comes across on this forum.
If the concern was the chat drifting in an unwanted direction, then the solution should have been to moderate it.

A whim? Forgive me, but I have been very actively moderating US for over a year now, so I am extremely well-acquainted with the situation. The explanation is simple: on US, a chat doesn't make sense unless it stays on-topic. These chats aren't doing that. It is similar on ŽuD.
Explain to me what the purpose of a chat would be for US if it's filled with people who hardly ever even visit the subforum.

The purpose of a subforum isn't to provide a chat. A chat doesn't define the quality of a subforum. For a subforum to be high-quality, the threads themselves must be high-quality. Something you might notice lately if you actually stepped out of the chat and looked at what is happening on the subforum.

Take the Soccer subforum and its Offtopic chat, for example. Since you keep bringing up how many people met on Finger, do you honestly think they didn't meet there? Don't be ridiculous.
The difference is that the people there are active participants in that specific subforum; they are what make it what it is. That isn't the case on US.
I suspect if I were to pull one constructive post from any of you on this subforum from the last month that wasn't made in the chat, the results would be quite interesting. 😉

You can view this as a reorganization of the subforum intended to raise the overall quality. Currently, the chats just don't fit into that goal.

fadedheron892 said:🙏

As if the moderators actually give a damn, they just view everything as some random chat garbage while they run wild without even having a single thing agreed upon among themselves. 😉

If you want to hear about their supposed mutual agreement, maybe you should ask whoever already passed along that information from the moderator board. 🙂

I have explained my position quite clearly, and I don't intend to engage with any further mockery or distortions of the facts. There.

You are all free to continue hanging out over on Offtopic as you always have. That’s all there is to it.

Jessica Watson4 said:Can someone please walk me through the logic here? Why is it that the Lonely hearts subforum doesn't need social chats, yet every other subforum does?
Saying "because we decided so" is, quite frankly, a pretty ridiculous explanation.

I guess you should just read through my previous posts. If it still doesn't make sense after that, then I'm sorry, but I can't help you.

Brandon Castillo4 said:Look, I’m all for moving these threads around, but let’s not dump them into Offtopic. People here are actually building connections, they aren't just posting random nonsense. In my book, they belong over in DiK. That's my call.

The thing is, they don't allow chats on DiK because basically every thread there turns into a chat anyway.

swiftfalcon43 said:I'm actually curious to see what one of the admins is going to say after I sent them a message

Well, you might as well have sent it. Maybe send it to another one too, just to be safe. I doubt they would have even noticed this thread without you.

fadedheron892 said:mistywolf17 Look, we’re all on board with getting this chat back to its original purpose, so why are you guys already throwing in the towel on our and your chat?

The chat could never have been strictly topical to begin with. Just read what I wrote earlier. People had to be allowed to chat about anything, because nobody was interested in coordinating hangouts right away. So, my conclusion is that it simply can't function as a topical chat. It just doesn't work that way.
That being said, of course you all support that idea. I saw how much you wanted it. I’ve been following you lately because there were so many posts in the chat. From what I could see, it seemed like you just wanted to drive certain people away because they don't intend to meet up in real life. Which, honestly, is kind of ridiculous. It happened because, just like in any other chat, not everyone gets along, so people end up kicking each other out. I'm quite familiar with that dynamic.
So, I think I’ve explained the situation more than thoroughly. These chats on the US subforum really don't make sense; as far as I'm concerned, they belong on Offtopic.

Amanda James27 said:Fair point, but the real question is whether someone browsing the US subforum—who might actually be interested in joining a chat like this—is even going to realize there's a US chat tucked away in the Offtopic section?

I don't quite follow your question. If someone wants to chat, they should just head straight to a dedicated chatting subforum like DiK or Offtopic. They don't necessarily need to come to the US section just to chat.

Gregory Garcia said:Both of the US chats have been moved over to the Offtopic subforum today.
The mod's explanation goes something like this:

My question is—who exactly doesn't need these chats? What kind of reasoning is that, really?

As for us forum members, we clearly *do* need them, since that’s where we actually hang out. We aren't some exclusive little clique, either; we're just a group of people who gathered in the US subforum and started a chat—one that even two former US moderators participated in. Every single person from the US section has always been more than welcome in that chat.

The current US moderators don't participate in the chat themselves, so I guess that's why they "don't need" it. They've just casually—and, if I'm being honest, somewhat arrogantly—moved everything over to Offtopic.

There were regularly over 50 people active in that chat.

If this is being done strictly to reduce the load on the server, then I suppose *all* chats from *every* subforum should be moved to Offtopic. If that's truly the case, fine—everything is above board. However, if the US forum is being singled out as an exception, it really makes me wonder about the objectivity, the impartiality, and the actual motives behind the moderators' decision to act this way.

I'd appreciate it if the administrators could weigh in on this. 🙂

All the moderators for this subforum have reached a consensus that having chats here in the States just doesn't make sense. I've included the reasoning for that decision below.

It seems our forum members need one, quite obviously, since we all rely on them. We aren't some exclusive clique; rather, we're just a group that gathered in the US sub-forum and started a chat, which even included two former US moderators. I guess any member from the US sub-forum is always welcome to join that chat.

The current US moderators aren't really participating in the chat, so I guess they feel like they don't actually need it. It seems like they’re just casually—maybe even arrogantly—pushing all the chat discussions over to Offtopic.

Well, you can certainly keep using them, but maybe just stick to the Offtopic section.

Look, you didn't start this chat. This was my idea from the beginning—I know exactly how I envisioned it—but it became immediately obvious to me that the original plan wouldn't work. I had intended for it to be more of a themed chat, specifically because certain members had been calling for meetups within their subforums. But what actually happened once the chat went live? Not a single sign of those people. It turns out they were just the ones who complain without ever actually following through. That’s why this had to evolve into a standard chat, where people can just talk about whatever they want first, and then eventually get to know each other in real life, just like any other chat on this entire forum.

There were consistently over 50 people participating in that chat.

That is exactly where the issue lies. There are over 50 people active in the chat, yet out of those 50, I guess only about five actually participate anywhere else on the forum.
I guess the US subforum is the kind of space where only a themed chat like our previous "feeling after breakup" thread could really work—you know, where people actually stepped up to comfort one another and offer support. But honestly, I suspect there isn't much of a need or even any interest in starting something like that right now.
It’s somewhat similar to how there are dedicated topical chats on ŽuD.

On these kinds of casual chats, you usually see people who don't really have any connection to the US, so I guess the question naturally comes up: what is the actual purpose of having these chats in America then? 🤷
I don't see any reason to start a revolt here. You guys can keep chatting just like you have been, provided you move it over to Offtopic.

fadedheron892 said:I’m jumping on the bandwagon with Gregory Garcia here—someone needs to explain what's going on.
The whole point of the US chat Finger of Fate was to give everyone on this forum a way to actually talk and get to know each other, which happens all the time, and honestly, isn't that exactly why the US and this specific chat even exist?
It feels like you completely missed the entire point of Kevin's original post when he first opened this thread up.

Emma, that was my idea, so please allow me to be the one who best understands how it was intended and how it actually turned out.
It ended up just like any other chat—people talk, and then after a while, they get to know one another. There really isn't any other way for it to work. You didn't invent the concept of meeting people; plenty of others have done exactly that in various chats long before you did.

Besides, the Finger of Fate chat was largely filled with spam. It was nothing but endless posts saying "good morning," "good night," "lol," and things like that. That certainly shouldn't be the purpose of the US.
At least USPSD wasn't a spammy chat, but it also doesn't serve much of a purpose on the US, so it met the same fate.

Look, don't act like you don't know what I mean. This isn't about being rude. Kamala Harris. 🙄>> Especially since you were explaining your theory about how people use acronyms to say things they wouldn't otherwise get away with. That specific theory of yours didn't make any sense, and even though I explained the actual meaning of that abbreviation to you, this "GE" thing is just as obvious.

Sigurna said:GE.

Sigurna said:Well, once you start digging, you find all sorts of stuff. Basically, the G stands for GE. Whatever, honestly—in my book, what goes around comes around.

Yeah, and? You’ve constantly posted on this forum about how sensitive you are, getting upset if anyone makes a joke about you being from a small town. I haven't met anyone else on this board who loves teasing others more than you do, yet gets offended by every single little jab aimed back at them.

You mentioned yourself that you had received those messages and reported them; he wasn't the one who wrote it.

Everything gets reported in that chat, and if I started flagging every tiny detail, we'd never get anywhere. If you're going to mock someone, then be prepared to deal with it when they fire back. It's that simple.

Now we have to talk about Crodra too. Honestly, I was actually quite proud of myself for figuring him out on my own after seeing his ad and a few posts with details that matched his Crodra handle. Before that, he wasn't even on the US boards, and you had been talking to him on his thread over at the Green Party. Why didn't you report him immediately? Why wait until he showed up on the US boards? Don't tell me you didn't realize it right away. I mean, that's just impossible. You only caught on once you replied to his ad? I'm sorry, but I don't go lurking through guys' ads just to make sure I don't miss some clone.

*added later

Regarding that threat of a ban you mentioned—just so we are clear—it was simply a warning about a potential partial ban on the US subforum if there continued to be constant harassment of a specific user across different threads, combined with the persistent spamming of the moderator inbox with pointless reports.

And one last thing: I have absolutely no interest in your little games, so please spare me in the future. I'm talking about dragging me across three different subforums, mentioning in the chat that you were going to talk to the moderator, and then sending PM congratulations to NG. I don't know what logic makes that seem okay in your head, but it doesn't in mine, so I am kindly asking that nothing like this happens again.

Nathan Baker, you were just yesterday telling one user on this thread that they’re full of it, and then telling another they forgot their meds. Now you're constantly picking on this guy just because he's a dude—as if his being a man somehow gives you a free pass to mock him? I don't know. Why do you think you have the right to complain about people making fun of you when you’re one of the primary people leading the charge on that very behavior in this thread? Well, not the *only* one, let's be clear. I guess I just can't take people seriously when they relentlessly mock others and then turn around to whine when the joke is on them. Since I end up reading your posts every single day anyway, I felt like I had to say something so you wouldn't just keep jumping in to bother the newer folks and the admins.

See, I told you as much in my last post.

What’s the actual issue here? It looks like blatant spam to me—just someone trying to promote another forum.

Olivia Kim84, if I had actually intended to remove you—or rather, if I had been 100% certain you were Crodra—you would have been grayed out instantly. I apologize if my joking around in another chat hit a nerve; I see some people have started making a fuss about why there were exceptions to the rules during Christmas. There weren't any. That was just a jab at the hypocrites who call for your release on the public threads while privately badgering me to ban you.
Anyway, I hope everything is clear now. Please, go and carry on in peace.

Is this being handled systematically? How many images like this actually exist? I need you to track down that massive batch of oversized files. I was reviewing the logs and spotted your report from September 24th regarding that 701px × 597px image. The problem is, posts pile up so fast that an image like that ends up buried on a different page before anyone can react. It’s almost like if I started banning smiley faces as spam in the chat—it just doesn't make much sense.
To be clear, I suppose I'll start issuing yellow cards for images that exceed the chat size limits. I think it might be a good way to teach people the rules so they don't run into trouble elsewhere. Hopefully, that's alright.

I remember that one. I don't really have the habit of spamming chats, using all caps, posting nothing but emojis, or uploading images larger than what's permitted. 🤷