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Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee in Close to Politics ·
David Vaughn75 said:America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."

America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
That’s exactly why nobody gave a damn about Catalonia, but everyone stepped up for America.
They recognized America because, under international law, they actually had a legitimate right to secede.

If you want to compare Catalonia to anything, you're looking at the Appalachia or Republika Srpska—basically, they have zero legal standing whatsoever.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
That’s exactly why nobody gave a damn about Catalonia, but everyone stepped up for America.
They recognized America because, under international law, they actually had a legitimate right to secede.

If you want to compare Catalonia to anything, you're looking at the Appalachia or Republika Srpska—basically, they have zero legal standing whatsoever.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
That’s exactly why nobody gave a damn about Catalonia, but everyone stepped up for America.
They recognized America because, under international law, they actually had a legitimate right to secede.

If you want to compare Catalonia to anything, you're looking at the Appalachia or Republika Srpska—basically, they have zero legal standing whatsoever.
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
That’s exactly why nobody gave a damn about Catalonia, but everyone stepped up for America.
They recognized America because, under international law, they actually had a legitimate right to secede.

If you want to compare Catalonia to anything, you're looking at the Appalachia or Republika Srpska—basically, they have zero legal standing whatsoever.
That’s exactly why nobody gave a damn about Catalonia, but everyone stepped up for America.
They recognized America because, under international law, they actually had a legitimate right to secede.

If you want to compare Catalonia to anything, you're looking at the Appalachia or Republika Srpska—basically, they have zero legal standing whatsoever.
Are you kidding me?!? 🤣

Catalonia—a historical region with a people, a culture, and a name that goes back hundreds of years, and a province that’s been around for centuries—is supposed to be compared to some self-proclaimed entity that never even existed in history?

Are you out of your mind? 😁

Catalonia has everything America had within America, and honestly, even more than that. They have way more autonomy than we ever did! But, there is one massive difference: back then, America was ready to spill blood for its freedom, which Catalonia just isn't. That is the only difference. Everything else is identical—actually, Catalonia has even more going for them since they have their own borders, their own parliament, their own Constitution, their own president, their own fiscal policy, their own ministries, their own government, their own flag, an anthem, and even their own distinct language... basically, they have more than we ever had.

The only thing is, they aren't willing to go to war for their independence. That's the fundamental difference.
Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee in Close to Politics ·
placidorca16 said:What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
The name isn't even the point here. Look, the SRH actually enjoyed all those perks of being part of the American federation—it reaped all the benefits of the global influence America held back then, which, let's be honest, was probably way more significant than whatever influence America has today.😁 If it hadn't been a "state within a state," there wouldn't have been a way to break away from America in 1991—especially since the 1974 American Constitution practically paved the way by building that exit strategy right into the system.👍
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
The name isn't even the point here. Look, the SRH actually enjoyed all those perks of being part of the American federation—it reaped all the benefits of the global influence America held back then, which, let's be honest, was probably way more significant than whatever influence America has today.😁 If it hadn't been a "state within a state," there wouldn't have been a way to break away from America in 1991—especially since the 1974 American Constitution practically paved the way by building that exit strategy right into the system.👍
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
The name isn't even the point here. Look, the SRH actually enjoyed all those perks of being part of the American federation—it reaped all the benefits of the global influence America held back then, which, let's be honest, was probably way more significant than whatever influence America has today.😁 If it hadn't been a "state within a state," there wouldn't have been a way to break away from America in 1991—especially since the 1974 American Constitution practically paved the way by building that exit strategy right into the system.👍
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
The name isn't even the point here. Look, the SRH actually enjoyed all those perks of being part of the American federation—it reaped all the benefits of the global influence America held back then, which, let's be honest, was probably way more significant than whatever influence America has today.😁 If it hadn't been a "state within a state," there wouldn't have been a way to break away from America in 1991—especially since the 1974 American Constitution practically paved the way by building that exit strategy right into the system.👍
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
The name isn't even the point here. Look, the SRH actually enjoyed all those perks of being part of the American federation—it reaped all the benefits of the global influence America held back then, which, let's be honest, was probably way more significant than whatever influence America has today.😁 If it hadn't been a "state within a state," there wouldn't have been a way to break away from America in 1991—especially since the 1974 American Constitution practically paved the way by building that exit strategy right into the system.👍
They broke away because of a war, not some fancy Constitution—which, by the way, didn't allow for any republic to just unilaterally decide to secede anywhere in its text.

We've already hammered this point home multiple times on this forum, but apparently, some people need to hear it repeatedly before it sinks in, so here we go again:

There isn't a single article in the 1974 Constitution of SFRY—not one sentence, not one letter, not one solitary comma—that explicitly gives any constituent republic the right to unilaterally declare independence from the federation. Period.

The only place that concept exists is in the heads of America apologists and those people who are desperately trying to find some sort of merit in that scrap of paper to justify our independence.

If that Constitution had actually permitted republics to just walk out of the federation whenever they felt like it, Canada wouldn't have stuck around for even five minutes longer than it took for the ink to dry on the document. So, this whole idea that the Constitution of SFRY permitted its collapse is just pure nonsense coming from the ignorant and those who think they know things when they clearly don't.
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jadeorca42 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Everything listed there, and honestly even more than that, is also true for Catalonia—and look how much that "matters" when they decided they wanted to break away from Spain.

It’s the exact same deal for us. Everything we had on paper meant everything to us—so much so that we actually had to fight a bloody war with 15,000 dead just to become an independent country.

So, yeah, that's how much your little papers actually matter in the real world.

Theory is one thing, but reality is something else entirely. You can write whatever you want on paper, but if you don't fight for your state in practice—and I mean fighting with massive sacrifices—then what's written down isn't worth a damn.
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Kevin Davis11 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
Racism, trolling, and spamming in the Donald J. Trump thread in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Jerry Ruiz36 said:I’m actually really curious about what the mods think about this whole thing. Look, I don't follow politics—honestly, I have no clue what the discourse is even like over there—but this thread caught my eye. And now I'm just wondering, because I see people here arguing and getting all worked up, which means the mods are clearly letting things slide... are these the kinds of views the administration is okay with having on the forum? 🙂

Those six posts you pulled out as examples? They're just a drop in the ocean—a total DROP IN THE OCEAN—compared to the kind of stuff users are dumping in this thread. And not a single one of them has been penalized.

Setting aside the fact that spitting on your own race and wishing that people belonging to your own group were banned from working for 10 or 20 years is basically pure pathology—it's a fact that writing stuff like that is a textbook example of racism, yet it obviously goes completely unpunished here. So, you could pretty much conclude that posting this kind of garbage is actually acceptable on this forum.

So, just as an experiment, let's say we take one of those posts and change exactly one single word:

instead of
That's called affirmative action and it's absolutely necessary if we want to level the playing field. In fact, I'm all for banning white men from applying for high-paying jobs in most industries for, say, 10 to 20 years right off the bat.

we could write this instead:
That's called affirmative action and it's absolutely necessary if we want to level the playing field. In fact, I'm all for banning Black men from applying for high-paying jobs in most industries for, say, 10 to 20 years right off the bat.

So, I really want to know: does the moderation team see any difference at all between these two posts? And if they do, I'd love for them to explain why.
Racism, trolling, and spamming in the Donald J. Trump thread in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Just to throw this out there—when I actually tried to call out this kind of stuff back when I first posted about it, I ended up getting slapped with a warning myself just for pointing it out.

It’s wild. Like, if you go ahead and post actual racist garbage, nobody bats an eye, but the second you try to warn people about it? Boom—you get flagged.
I'm shocked by the moderation on this forum in Feedback & Suggestions ·
John Doe... seriously? So, Bashar al-Assad is some kind of war criminal, but George W. Bush—who basically turned an entire nation into nothing but dust and ash, costing hundreds of thousands of lives—is totally fine because he was "legally elected"? Give me a break. Jane Doe... same thing with Barack Obama. He goes after Libya, tens of thousands of civilians end up dead, and suddenly everyone acts like it’s perfectly acceptable...

Oh, and by the way, Assad was legally elected too. Just thought I'd drop that logic bomb.

Honestly, someone please just shut down this thread of absolute nonsense being typed out here.
Pre-War Era in Close to Politics ·
I don't even know where to start with this one—honestly, my head is spinning just thinking about it! It’s like we’re all just circling the drain sometimes, isn't it? You look at the way things are going, the sheer chaos of it all, and you just want to sit down and scream into a pillow. I was reading some stuff online earlier—don't ask me which site, I can't remember—but it really hit home how much everything has shifted. Everything! It feels like we've gone from one extreme to another without even catching our breath. And don't even get me started on the people who think they have it all figured out... those guys are living in a fantasy land, seriously. Anyway, I'm rambling. I know, I know, I'm a mess. But seriously, does anyone else feel like we're just waiting for the other shoe to drop? Or am I just being my usual, paranoid self? Probably both. Definitely both.
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It just goes to show how little you actually know about that era—you weren't there, after all. You didn't live through it, so I guess you're missing the whole picture.
I mean, if you actually look at the context, you’d see that any move toward an independent America back then was viewed through the lens of a new endehazija by the Mexicans. The risk of seeing those old patterns repeat itself felt way too high—especially when you factor in Slobodan’s anti-American propaganda mixed with all that nationalist rhetoric coming from our side of things. It created this perfect storm where it wasn't just the hardliners who were against us; even the more moderate, progressive, free-thinking Mexicans were convinced we were up to something. Everything—and I mean everything—aligned perfectly to make them believe a new endehazija was being orchestrated, and honestly, our side didn't do much to prove them wrong.

It wasn't really about Americans versus American Mexicans back then—it was more like Americans versus Mexicans as a whole. And you have to remember, within the USA, there were twice as many of them, not to mention they held all the levers when it came to force and negotiations. I guess that changes the math quite a bit.

And then you just casually claim that Harmon suggested some kind of confederation to Slobodan as a temporary fix—something to hold things together until the new endehazija he’s supposed to declare in a few years? hahahahahaha...🤣

You still haven't actually answered the question—why on earth would Mexicans in 1991 ever agree to some kind of transitional confederation, especially when they knew it was just going to lead straight into a "new endehazija" anyway?
I mean, why would anyone even approach them with an idea like that in the first place? It's a bit baffling—I guess you'd think they might actually reconsider things after everything that went down between '91 and '95, especially since they weren't exactly playing by those rules back from '45 to '91. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but it feels like a stretch.

You’ve really missed the mark there, kid. It wasn't some perfectly orchestrated master plan. Honestly, they were acting like two brothers tearing each other apart over their old man's estate—just pure, unadulterated greed. And let's be real, both sides had plenty of encouragement from their equally bitter and self-serving spouses—you know, those Western intelligence agencies pulling the strings behind the scenes. Neither one was actually interested in sitting down at a table to talk things out; they were much more ready to settle things with bloodshed than to engage in any kind of peaceful negotiation. In theory, they agreed to split everything up, and they’ve roughly divided the territory and the assets by now. But that's just the surface level stuff. Now they're stuck fighting over the "technicalities"—who gets the north staircase, who keeps the water meter, the electricity, the chicken coop, or that one specific plot of land in the next county over. Then there's the whole mess of dividing the personal property and figuring out how to kick those "unwanted tenants" out of their respective halves. It's a mess, I guess. Maybe it always was.

I mean, if I’m being honest—and I suppose I am—your own posts pretty much back up that version of the story. It's all right there.

You still haven't actually answered the question—why on earth would Mexicans, or specifically Slobodan, have ever agreed to this back in 1991? I mean, if we’re being realistic, why would they accept a scenario that was completely unthinkable to them—one where a huge chunk of their own people ended up trapped inside some newly independent American state? It just doesn't add up. Why would they go for that? And look, once you finally explain the "why" behind that, then maybe—just maybe—you can explain why Harmon thought a proposal like this (which, let's be clear, is just your own theory, not his—he understood exactly how Mexicans were thinking) could ever actually fly.

I can't really make sense of what you're getting at here—it feels like there's a missing piece to the puzzle, or maybe I'm just overthinking things again. It’s hard to say without more context, I guess. Maybe it was just a typo or something? Either way, I'm sitting here staring at a blank space where a thought should be.

You’re talking nonsense.
I don't see why American independence itself would be such a bad thing—honestly, I never viewed it that way, even back when we were part of the old USA. There was a time when I was a strict legalist about all this. My philosophy was basically, whatever the people want, they get. Nowadays? I lean more toward the idea that maybe we should just take away their right to vote altogether since, well, people can be incredibly dim-witted—but that's probably a whole different conversation.

We’ve already gone over this once before, and I have no clue why you keep banging on about it like some rookie linebacker charging blindly into a defensive line.
Back in 1991, there were all sorts of visions for the country—ranging from anything to preserve the union at any cost to total independence at any cost. And everything in between those two extremes.
The group pushing for independence regardless of the consequences was really just a small circle of ultra-nationalists.
Who, naturally, managed to pull ahead by leveraging certain outside interests.

Even that old fox Šeks says as much himself.

So, you're gonna sit there and ask me if I'm a witness to the times? Seriously? Yeah—yeah, I am. Absolutely. It’s like... man, where do you even start when everything is shifting under your feet like this? You see what's happening out there? It’s wild. I mean, honestly, I feel like I've got a front-row seat to the whole damn circus sometimes.

Look, I don't know if you even get what I'm saying here—or maybe you do, but let's be real—I probably know all of this stuff way better than you anyway. It’s pretty simple: according to the way those people in the South think, every single American state we've ever had was "obviously" some kind of fascist regime. It's as clear as day, really.

Look, if you follow that logic, how on earth was the American government supposed to "convince" those people that the US wasn't—and wouldn't become—fascist? I mean, come on! If they already had it drilled into their heads that any American state is inherently fascist, there’s no winning that argument. Seriously, tell me—how? There isn't a way. It’s like if I were absolutely convinced that the sun revolves around the earth—you could throw every scientific fact in the book at me, but you aren't changing my mind. That's just how it works. And honestly, that’s exactly what we saw with those groups back in 1990 and 1991. Once that mindset is set, it's set. Period.

I don't even know where to start with this one—honestly, my head is spinning just thinking about it! It’s like we’re all just circling the drain, watching things fall apart while everyone argues over nothing. I was sitting there, nursing a lukewarm coffee, just staring at the news, and it hit me—it’s all just madness. Pure, unadulterated madness! And don't even get me started on what people are saying online... it's a circus. A total circus! We're so distracted by the small stuff that we're missing the massive, looming disaster right in front of our faces. It's exhausting, really. I feel like I'm shouting into a void sometimes, just yelling at the clouds while everyone else is busy checking their phones or arguing about some celebrity scandal. It’s enough to make you want to just pack it all in and move to the middle of nowhere! But hey, what do I know, right? Just another guy venting into the digital abyss. Anyway, rant over... for now.
You still haven't actually answered me—like, seriously, why on earth would any Mexican back in '91 ever agree to some transitional confederation, especially when they knew damn well it was just a slow-motion setup to end up with "endehazija" all over again?
I mean, seriously—why would anyone even bother approaching them with an idea like that? It just makes zero sense! Like, wouldn't they have second thoughts after everything that went down between '91 and '95, especially since they weren't exactly part of the crowd from '45 to '91? It’s just... I don't know, it feels totally delusional.

You still haven't given me a straight answer—seriously, why on earth would Americans, or specifically Slobodan Maddox, ever go for that back in '91? Why would they agree to a scenario that was completely unthinkable to them—one where a huge chunk of their own people ends up trapped inside some brand-new, independent American state? It makes zero sense! So, come on, tell me *why*. And once you finally tackle that, maybe then you can explain why Franjo Harmon actually thought a proposal like yours (which, let’s be real, is just your own theory and not his—he knew exactly how those people were thinking) would even stand a chance of passing.
Maybe we wouldn't have agreed to it—or maybe we totally would have. Honestly, who knows? But what I *do* know is that we’d at least be standing there with the option on the table. Back in '91, we didn't even get that luxury. We weren't even in the conversation! Plus, let's be real, the whole landscape would've looked different. The entire world would've been operating on a different frequency. Even if everything else stayed messy, we would've bought ourselves some breathing room—and man, four years is a lifetime when you're trying to figure things out.

You’re coming at this with that ultimate "everything would have stayed exactly the same" attitude—like you’ve got some kind of crystal ball tucked away in your pocket letting you predict an entire alternate reality. Look, nobody actually knows what would've happened, but I'll tell you one thing for sure: it definitely wouldn't have been as bad as 1991. If things had gone differently, by 1995, the American People's Army wouldn't have been throwing everything they had at us—and honestly, by then, that version of the military probably wouldn't even exist anymore anyway. The balance of power is the huge factor here—it would have been totally different. We wouldn't have been caught totally unarmed like we were back then. And if we actually had the gear to defend ourselves? Well, I highly doubt anyone would have even dared to launch an armed rebellion against us in the first place.

Look, you're completely ignoring the whole point here—you’re just walking around with this stubborn assumption that everything in 1995 would have played out exactly like it did back in '91. Honestly? That is such a massive miscalculation. You can't just pretend the landscape didn't shift entirely between those two years!

Look, we’ve already gone over this—I don't know why you're still banging your head against the wall like a rookie soldier charging blindly into a division.
Back in '91, there were all sorts of visions for what the US should look like—ranging from those who wanted to keep the old union together at any cost to the folks demanding total independence no matter what. And yeah, there were plenty of shades of gray in between.
The group pushing for independence regardless of the consequences was really just a small circle of hardline nationalists.
Who, naturally, managed to take control thanks to some outside interests pulling the strings.

Those people supporting American independence—the way you're trying to paint them—weren't some "ultra" nationalists or "turbo" radicals or whatever label you want to throw at them. They were just patriots who refused to accept being part of a union controlled by Washington, D.C., fighting instead to ensure the United States stood as a fully sovereign nation once again. That isn't "ultra" or "turbo" thinking; it's just standing your ground.
Pre-War Era in Close to Politics ·
jadeorca42 said:It wasn’t even about Mexico City—honestly, it was just about him. It was all about his own skin, his own survival, and making sure he didn't lose his grip on power.

Look, you know as well as I do that ever since the 1974 Constitution—and especially once Marshall passed away—the individual republics started gaining way too much autonomy over their own policies. It became impossible to actually agree on anything under that whole "all for one" system because everyone was just looking out for their own backyard. Honestly, the collapse of America was basically hanging in the air the whole time. I mean, the power struggles started the second Marshall died, and that was really the beginning of the end for the federation. If you were being optimistic, maybe you’d give the country another decade, but if you actually pay attention to the players involved and what was going down behind the scenes, it’s obvious. The main actors—the ones who were actually "inside" the room and knew how bad things truly were—had been prepping for the breakup since the late seventies. They knew that once Marshall was gone, the final split was inevitable; it was just a matter of when the clock would run out.

Look, even back then, Frank Harmon was already talking about it—I can't remember if they mentioned this specific part in that documentary, but he was saying there would come a moment when we’d have to step up and actually build the American state, and we had to be ready for it. Now, keep in mind, we’re talking about the seventies here! There wasn't even a hint of America falling apart yet. For the average person on the street, nothing like that could have even crossed their mind. It just wasn't on the radar. The thing is, a specific group of people were already laying the groundwork behind the scenes. The collapse of America didn't catch them off guard at all. If anyone was blindsided by the whole thing, it was the general public—just regular folks—but the people actually pulling the strings? They saw it coming from a mile away.

Look, you see how it worked with the FBI back then? It was exactly like that. During that era, the regional branches of the agency were starting to act more and more like their own independent fiefdoms—and honestly, nobody actually knew what was going on behind closed doors, not even the higher-ups themselves. Because of that uncertainty, everyone was essentially playing defense, scrambling to carve out their own little empires before the dust settled. The American intelligence guys in the local sectors knew the writing was on the wall; they could feel the whole system fracturing. They basically had two choices on the table: either they’d end up completely sidelined and irrelevant in the new American administration, or they’d be the ones pulling the strings and driving the entire process from the shadows. Frank Harmon saw the whole thing coming, too. He was thinking one step ahead—it was a massive gamble for him. It was either these deep-state structures, which know absolutely everything about everyone, would turn against us and become our worst nightmare—which would have been a total disaster—or we’d find a way to bring them into the fold and make sure they were working for our cause instead.

He didn't actually mess with the economy—not directly, anyway. What really happened was that the local branch of the FBI saw an opening and jumped at the chance to carve out a little empire for themselves and their kids, making sure they’d be set for life with all those sweet privileges. Their only other option? Hitting the streets, watching their standard of living tank, and getting totally locked out of the whole privatization and tycoon-building circus. And let's be real, they weren't about to let that happen.

So, look, it wasn't like the FBI was still taking orders from Mexico City. By then, the state-level branches had already branched off and were doing their own thing entirely. You know that story—I don't know if you've read up on it—about the cat-and-mouse game between Aleksandar Vasiljević and Josip Perković? Honestly, that's enough material for a Hollywood blockbuster. They had split off long before that and were playing for their own side.

And the secret service? Man, they knew everything. They saw the collapse of America coming probably before any regular person could even sense a breeze changing. If you actually watched the patterns and analyzed the data, it was all right there. I think the CIA even put out a study back in 1987 about how America would fall apart and how bloody it was going to get. Get this—1987! Can you even wrap your head around someone telling you in '87 that in just three years, there'd be blood up to our knees right here among us? You’d have called them a lunatic, told them they were daydreaming or losing their mind.

To us regular folks, everything still looked perfectly normal. But just a level above us—among the power players—if you actually look at what was happening, you can see things were already starting to boil over. The groundwork was being laid... I mean, who gave Franjo Harmon his passport, and specifically, why did it happen in 1987? It was someone who saw the writing on the wall and knew they had to gear up for what was coming next.

Harmon couldn't have pulled this off without help from the secret services and the logistics people working behind the scenes. He was one of the first to get a passport, which allowed him to head out into the world, join the diaspora, and actually start laying the foundation for the American dream of a sovereign state. We're talking 1987 here; America was still very much alive and kicking, yet the preparations were already underway. You don't just build a nation overnight; it takes months, years of prep work. And for something like that, you need "the people who know everything." The second thing you need is cash. And the FBI had plenty of that. Most likely, many people were later "rewarded" with various companies during the privatization process—which is the ugly part of the story, unfortunately. Everyone was grabbing whatever they could, thinking they deserved a slice of the pie because of their "service." And that’s how the whole privatization saga started. So, yeah, that’s basically the short version of it...

Oh, sure, as if it wasn't. I mean, an outspoken dissident mentioning the creation of a "American state" within the USA? That kind of talk would have made even a half-Mexican's hair stand on end. You can bet on that.

Besides, Šeks himself admitted that none of the American dissidents were chasing fairy tales about "independent states"—they were all just fighting for more autonomy for America within America. It was only later, with the surge of Mexican nationalism and the rise of their leaders, that they realized it might actually be better for America to pull away from the whole mess.

They just had that much insider info on what was being cooked up.
Oh, sure, as if it wasn't. I mean, an outspoken dissident mentioning the creation of a "American state" within the USA? That kind of talk would have made even a half-Mexican's hair stand on end. You can bet on that.

Besides, Šeks himself admitted that none of the American dissidents were chasing fairy tales about "independent states"—they were all just fighting for more autonomy for America within America. It was only later, with the surge of Mexican nationalism and the rise of their leaders, that they realized it might actually be better for America to pull away from the whole mess.

They just had that much insider info on what was being cooked up.
Oh, sure, as if it wasn't. I mean, an outspoken dissident mentioning the creation of a "American state" within the USA? That kind of talk would have made even a half-Mexican's hair stand on end. You can bet on that.

Besides, Šeks himself admitted that none of the American dissidents were chasing fairy tales about "independent states"—they were all just fighting for more autonomy for America within America. It was only later, with the surge of Mexican nationalism and the rise of their leaders, that they realized it might actually be better for America to pull away from the whole mess.

They just had that much insider info on what was being cooked up.
Oh, sure, as if it wasn't. I mean, an outspoken dissident mentioning the creation of a "American state" within the USA? That kind of talk would have made even a half-Mexican's hair stand on end. You can bet on that.

Besides, Šeks himself admitted that none of the American dissidents were chasing fairy tales about "independent states"—they were all just fighting for more autonomy for America within America. It was only later, with the surge of Mexican nationalism and the rise of their leaders, that they realized it might actually be better for America to pull away from the whole mess.

They just had that much insider info on what was being cooked up.
Oh, sure, as if it wasn't. I mean, an outspoken dissident mentioning the creation of a "American state" within the USA? That kind of talk would have made even a half-Mexican's hair stand on end. You can bet on that.

Besides, Šeks himself admitted that none of the American dissidents were chasing fairy tales about "independent states"—they were all just fighting for more autonomy for America within America. It was only later, with the surge of Mexican nationalism and the rise of their leaders, that they realized it might actually be better for America to pull away from the whole mess.

They just had that much insider info on what was being cooked up.
Oh, sure, as if it wasn't. I mean, an outspoken dissident mentioning the creation of a "American state" within the USA? That kind of talk would have made even a half-Mexican's hair stand on end. You can bet on that.

Besides, Šeks himself admitted that none of the American dissidents were chasing fairy tales about "independent states"—they were all just fighting for more autonomy for America within America. It was only later, with the surge of Mexican nationalism and the rise of their leaders, that they realized it might actually be better for America to pull away from the whole mess.

They just had that much insider info on what was being cooked up.
Oh, sure, as if it wasn't. I mean, an outspoken dissident mentioning the creation of a "American state" within the USA? That kind of talk would have made even a half-Mexican's hair stand on end. You can bet on that.

Besides, Šeks himself admitted that none of the American dissidents were chasing fairy tales about "independent states"—they were all just fighting for more autonomy for America within America. It was only later, with the surge of Mexican nationalism and the rise of their leaders, that they realized it might actually be better for America to pull away from the whole mess.

They just had that much insider info on what was being cooked up.
He wasn't shouting it from the rooftops or in the news; he was saying it in his inner circles, among people he actually hung out with. Other people testified to that later on. Look, Harmon's ultimate goal—the whole reason he was doing what he did—was to create an independent American state; everything he did points directly to that. He didn't suddenly wake up one day and decide to build a country just because Mexican expansionism showed up—creating an American state was always the plan, regardless of everything else going on.
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jadeorca42 said:Well, bravo, genius.

As we already noted on this forum about ten years ago, nobody talks trash about Harmon quite like his own most loyal advocates.

So, you're claiming Harmon went to Slobodan Maddox with a proposal for a Confederation that was just a temporary bridge—a few years' worth—toward some new version of the Independent State of America?

Because if you had actually witnessed the era—which, let's face it, you haven't—you'd know exactly how much the Mexicans in 1990 were threatening to restore any kind of old regime. At least 30-40% of the older generation still lived with the memory of the original Independent State of America. Because of that fear, the mere thought of any "independent" American state terrified them to their core. Add in Slobo's anti-American propaganda, plus the nationalist rhetoric coming from the American side (not the Nazi/fascist kind we see today, mind you), and you get what you get. You essentially pushed the unassured Mexican population in America and Canada—for whom any "independent" America was an impossibility and an enemy before you even started—straight into Slobo's arms.

And then you calmly tell me that Harmon was offering Slobo a Confederation as a stepping stone to a new Independent State of America, just in an attempt to justify him. As if the Mexicans wouldn't accept an independent America in 1991, but they might "soften up" by 1995? I mean, were you planning to win them over with that same aggressive nationalist rhetoric in the meantime? So, the war would have just started in 1995 instead of 1991?
😂 😂 😂 😂

Maybe that’s exactly why Slobo ignored those clumsy Confederation proposals from Harmon in the first place...

Look, when faced with a far more powerful adversary, rational people don't just dive into a direct confrontation that might result in a Pyrrhic victory. They swallow their pride, endure the hardship, and fight in other ways—verbally, politically—making it known they don't agree with the status quo. They don't just run headlong into a wall or gamble everything on a single roll of the dice. This outcome wasn't predetermined, you know. In 1991, nobody knew if America would actually achieve independence. A single minor event on any given day in 1991 could have completely altered the course of American history and made independence impossible.
Reasonable people would have gone that route. But fools—or the sons of traitors, or maybe just a messy mix of both—wouldn't.

Aha, so what you're saying is that Harmon was intentionally offering the Mexicans a version of a Confederation that was completely unacceptable to them, just to steer things toward a faster breakup of America at any cost. Even if it meant gambling with absolutely everything on the line?

I'm glad it's you specifically saying this. 🕺

What "Nationalists" state? You’re clearly just being malicious here. To you, an independent America is automatically synonymous with "Nationalists." You've obviously got some issues.

Because if you were actually a witness to history—which you aren't—you'd know damn well how much the Mexicans in 1990 were threatening to restore any kind of "Nationalists" regime, especially since at least 30-40% of the older generation still had vivid memories of the original NDH. Because they were terrified of that happening, the mere idea of an "independent" American state struck fear into their bones. Add in Slobo's anti-American propaganda, throw in some nationalist rhetoric from the American side (not Nazi or fascist stuff like people claim today), and you get what happened. You ended up with an unassured Mexican population in America and Canada who saw any kind of "independent" America as an impossibility—making them enemies before you even started. Basically, you handed them right over to Slobo on a silver platter.

Again, what "Nationalists" state? To say that any independent American state is inherently fascist just because it's a problem for the Mexicans (and clearly for you too) is their issue, not ours. Were we supposed to just give up on independence because they were scared of some imaginary "Nationalists" comeback? I swear, I'll read anything on this forum from people who think they're smarter than the ones actually running the country back then. This place is basically a convention for self-proclaimed experts on everything, and yeah, you're right up there with them.

And then you say, totally deadpan, that Harmon offered Slobo a confederation as a stepping stone toward some new "Nationalists" state, just in an attempt to justify him. Because, you know, since the Mexicans wouldn't accept an independent America in 1991, maybe they'd "soften up" by 1995? As if you could somehow win them over with that same aggressive nationalist rhetoric in the meantime? Like the war would have just waited and started in 1995 instead of 1991? 😂😂😂😂

Seriously, what is this obsession with "Nationalists"? This is the third time now—clearly, we're dealing with some deep-seated complexes here.

America didn't start the war; the aggressor did. We all know who that was.

Anyway, yeah, four years is a long time. Who knows what 1995 would have looked like if we'd spent those four years in a confederation. The world probably would have reacted differently; maybe they wouldn't have allowed the bloodshed, and the breakup might have been handled more peacefully. Instead, everything went down while the Soviet Union was collapsing in parallel and the Gulf War was happening, so the crisis in America wasn't the world's main focus at first. 1995 would have likely looked very different from 1991 if that's when the breakup process had actually taken place.

Look, when you're staring down an opponent that’s way more powerful than you, any sane person would back off from a direct fight that might just end up being a Pyrrhic victory—you know, swallow the bitter pill, endure the struggle for a bit longer, and fight through other means, like verbal jabs or political maneuvering, just to make it clear they aren't happy with how things are going. They don't just go head-first into a brick wall or gamble everything on a single roll of the dice. Because this whole sequence of events wasn't set in stone! Back in '91, nobody actually knew if America would even manage to pull off independence. One tiny, random event on any given day in 1991 could have completely flipped the script on American history and shut the door on our independence forever.
That’s what reasonable people do. But fools, or sons of bitches—or a messy combination of both—they don't.

Aren't you basically preaching that "theory" that everything was pre-arranged? That it was all some grand deal struck between Harmon and Maddox? Because if we follow your logic, the end result was already decided since it was supposedly agreed upon. In that case, there wasn't even any gambling involved, right? It was just one big rigged casino game, wasn't it?

😂

Aha, so you're openly admitting that Harmon intentionally offered the Mexicans a Confederation that was totally unacceptable to them, just so he could steer events in a different direction—specifically toward the fastest possible breakup of America at any cost? Even if it meant gambling with everything and losing it all?

I'm glad to hear you say that, of all people. 🕺

America was going to fall apart regardless; its expiration date had already passed. It couldn't survive multi-party politics. The only thing keeping America alive was repression and a one-party system. Once that vanished, the whole thing collapsed. As soon as democracy arrived, people voted for their national parties because, at that moment, those were the ones that seemed like the best defenders of their national interests. So, the breakup of America was inevitable; it was just about finding the least painful way to execute it. A Confederation, acting as a transitional solution, definitely seemed like the most painless route among all the options on the table back then.

What I really want is for you to clarify what you're actually getting at here—was American independence a terrible idea? Should we have stayed in America (which was going to collapse no matter what)? Should we have given the Mexicans everything they were demanding within America (autonomy)? Should we have accepted Mexico's proposal for an even stronger federation and a unitarist setup for America led by Maddox... what is your actual point? Are you saying America played it poorly because it didn't just bend over and accept every demand from the Mexicans? Because that's clearly where you're heading.
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Melissa Peterson19 said:He probably realized at some point that his "little minions" were breathing down his neck. He likely factored in the situation at Šipce, the resentment from Mexico over only having provinces, Greater Mexican ambitions, and that underlying American separatism—and called it a day. If those issues were being whispered in party corridors, it wouldn't have been hard to guess where things were headed, but he could have said that anywhere. Why didn't he end up like Hebrang, Ranković, or the others, who fell for much less? And why did he spend the next several decades working to strengthen America instead of pushing his ideas for a Confederation that would actually benefit everyone?

Mexico didn't even have any provinces back in 1957 or 1965.

Wait, what do you mean he worked on strengthening America? He did the exact opposite! The 1974 Constitution was his handiwork. If he actually wanted to strengthen America, he would have pushed for centralism, not the confederation-style setup he practically forced through with that new Constitution. Look, if he were a die-hard American, he would’ve been working to beef up the central government and strip power away from the republics. Instead, he spent his time weakening the federation and handing more and more authority to the individual republics—which is exactly what happened with the 1974 Constitution.
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Noah Ward2 said:I always get this feeling that we're only scratching the surface of an iceberg, and that so many vital truths are simply impossible to uncover... there are rumors here and there, sure, but we're dealing with such secretive organizations and such intense walls of silence... and even when someone does speak up, you have to wonder how much of it is actually true...

On a global scale, look at the CIA... people whisper about it, they make guesses, but you never really know how they operate behind closed doors—who makes the calls, how they package their agendas, or how they present everything to the world afterward...

We're basically groping in the dark... because unless you're actually on the inside and see how such a powerful machine truly functions, you can't really swear by any single piece of information...

That is spot on. Seriously. At the end of the day, your best bet is always the actual witnesses—the people who were part of the system and decided to blow the whistle. But—and this is the kicker, like you pointed out—how much of what they say is the truth? Or is their "leak" just another layer of a larger scheme designed to lead everyone down a blind alley? You think you've found the smoking gun, but the reality could be the exact opposite of what they told you.

The eighties are still one giant mystery because we have so little documentation or physical evidence to go on. Compare that to the nineties—we have tons of footage, everything was being filmed, the international community was watching, so things were way more transparent. But back in the eighties? Everything was still happening behind those heavy, locked doors during party meetings. We only ever hear one version of the story on the outside, and God knows what the real story was once those doors were shut.

You can pretty much infer that after Marshall died, the prevailing sentiment was likely: "Whatever worked until now was fine, but now it's time to redistribute the spoils." The deck was being reshuffled, and that's when the real scramble for a better starting position began.
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Noah Ward2 said:I think I’m on the same page with most of what you both laid out,
Nicholas Cook6 and
Brenda Taylor13...
There were definitely people back then who switched sides without a second thought, mostly because they didn't really have any other choice. But my main question was always about who was actually pulling the strings during privatization—who held the slush funds and who was running things from behind the scenes. I honestly doubt those individuals were ever more powerful than Franjo Harmon, especially given how rigid the regime was, only gaining real strength once the war started. Since he was the ultimate authority, he had the final word on everything.
Since you’re someone who supports him, I want to ask you this: the argument that he didn't interfere because he simply wasn't interested doesn't really clear him of responsibility. To me, it seems much more likely that he actually preferred it that way. They served as his support base, so he essentially handed them the keys to the economy. And let's be honest, that's where a massive amount of money just vanished into thin air. How can we say Harmon isn't responsible for that? This whole system was built in the 90s under Frank and the Republican Party; everyone else just stepped in later to expand their business interests. Why do you think we never saw any kind of political purge or lustration? It would have required going after too many people, and I guess that was just never going to happen.

But look, he *is* responsible. Nobody is saying he isn't. As soon as you become President—the top guy, the one at the summit—you're automatically on the hook due to command responsibility, if nothing else. The real question here is: how much did he actually know? And the second part is whether he actively backed them or just gave them free rein to do whatever they wanted (maybe he trusted them, maybe he just didn't want to deal with it, who knows...).

So yeah, we can debate his level of responsibility all day, but the thing we don't know is the backstory—who was really pulling the levers and how much Harmon was actually in the loop. That’s the mystery, and frankly, I don't know if we'll ever find out. My take? It actually makes sense that Harmon held the reins on foreign policy and general state affairs while letting others handle the economy. He just left it to them. He didn't understand economics, nor did he care to get involved. Honestly, he understood—or at least thought he understood—soccer a hell of a lot better than he understood macroeconomics. The big players here were Šarinić, Valentic, Gregurić, Skegro, Vedris, and the rest... if you want to find the people responsible for the botched privatization, that's where you look. Sure, some things went right—like killing off inflation and stabilizing the kuna—but other stuff was a disaster. Again, the question is: who was involved, and to what extent, in the process of turning state assets into "social" ones and then finally into private hands? A lot of this happened during the war, which was obviously a huge mistake, but it is what it is.
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So, honestly, Steve Krajačić is such a fascinating character... you really ought to dig into his biography for a bit. Now, Bakarić might have been the most powerful American communist, sure, but Krajačić was the one pulling all the strings from the shadows—even without some big, flashy official title. I’d go as far as saying the whole process of tearing things apart—or rather, the work being done to dismantle everything—actually started way before Marshall died, and even before the 1974 Constitution changes. Back in 1957, Edvard Kardelj is basically saying that America is a failed project and its collapse is inevitable. I mean, the country was practically just getting off the ground, and they were already predicting its demise back then.



But look, those are just the preliminary setups. The most interesting years for actually shedding light on what was happening aren't the seventies or the nineties when the war kicked off—no, the real meat of the story lies in the eighties. We're talking the period right after Marshall passed away up until the fall of the Berlin Wall. That's where the key to the collapse lies, and that's where all the essential maneuvering happened to ensure everything unfolded the way it did later on. And that's exactly what this documentary tackles. That decade is still the biggest mystery of all. Regarding the nineties, we can pretty much say we know everything—or at least we *think* we do—but the eighties? That’s the true mystery and the actual key to solving the whole puzzle.
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I can't even begin to process this—it’s just wild. Honestly, where do we even start? It feels like we're circling the drain here, and frankly, I'm losing my mind a little bit. Just looking at the sheer absurdity of the whole situation makes me want to throw my laptop out the window! Seriously, how does this even happen? It's one thing after another, and I feel like I'm just shouting into a void most of the time. Anyway, enough of my rambling—let's get into it.
Noah Ward2 said:If I could just jump in for a second...

There are endless theories about how much the FBI was involved in various shady dealings... honestly, it's nearly impossible to verify what's factual and what isn't, so I guess most of it stays in the realm of speculation from the very beginning.

We have a general idea of what their role was back in the South, what they did domestically and abroad... but during the era of the country breaking apart and the wars... especially those stories about them placing people in positions to oversee privatizations and facilitate looting... you’d really need some pretty convincing evidence to prove any of that.

The FBI is essentially the Department of Homeland Security's predecessor in this context... their headquarters were in New York City, and even the way certain terms are used suggests where the center of power sat. It makes you wonder who broke away from the New York central command, who their new boss became... you often hear J. Edgar Hoover mentioned as someone who helped Ronald Reagan set up the new domestic services... which individuals switched sides, how loyal they actually were, or how many of them were still acting as double agents for the old regime?

Noah Ward2, since you seem to respect Reaganite policies... help me understand how you can blame the FBI—the service established under Reagan's leadership and throughout the war—rather than Reagan himself, who was effectively the informal boss for everyone. Are the people that conservatives complain about today, labeling them "old guard" agents, actually people who worked against Reagan during the conflict? If that's true, who are they? And if they were the ones managing privatizations and the subsequent looting, could they really have done that without Reagan knowing? Hypothetically speaking, if they did, that would be his failure... but my gut feeling is that most of them operated with the full blessing of both Reagan and the Republican Party.

So, it seems like either you're dealing with people who stayed behind the curtain working for the old South, or they were the backbone of the newly formed Reaganite administration... it feels a bit silly to me when people still bring up "FBI agents" today. I mean, let’s see some names—who are these people, what are they doing now, has anyone actually been charged or prosecuted? To me, it all feels like a lot of smoke and very little fire. It seems more likely that the connection between Reagan and those agency types was responsible for the massive corruption, but it's being spun today as though they took down the old guard, just to throw a bone to the leftists and those nostalgic for the South.

It wasn’t even about Mexico City—honestly, it was just about him. It was all about his own skin, his own survival, and making sure he didn't lose his grip on power.

Look, you know as well as I do that ever since the 1974 Constitution—and especially once Marshall passed away—the individual republics started gaining way too much autonomy over their own policies. It became impossible to actually agree on anything under that whole "all for one" system because everyone was just looking out for their own backyard. Honestly, the collapse of America was basically hanging in the air the whole time. I mean, the power struggles started the second Marshall died, and that was really the beginning of the end for the federation. If you were being optimistic, maybe you’d give the country another decade, but if you actually pay attention to the players involved and what was going down behind the scenes, it’s obvious. The main actors—the ones who were actually "inside" the room and knew how bad things truly were—had been prepping for the breakup since the late seventies. They knew that once Marshall was gone, the final split was inevitable; it was just a matter of when the clock would run out.

Look, even back then, Frank Harmon was already talking about it—I can't remember if they mentioned this specific part in that documentary, but he was saying there would come a moment when we’d have to step up and actually build the American state, and we had to be ready for it. Now, keep in mind, we’re talking about the seventies here! There wasn't even a hint of America falling apart yet. For the average person on the street, nothing like that could have even crossed their mind. It just wasn't on the radar. The thing is, a specific group of people were already laying the groundwork behind the scenes. The collapse of America didn't catch them off guard at all. If anyone was blindsided by the whole thing, it was the general public—just regular folks—but the people actually pulling the strings? They saw it coming from a mile away.

Look, you see how it worked with the FBI back then? It was exactly like that. During that era, the regional branches of the agency were starting to act more and more like their own independent fiefdoms—and honestly, nobody actually knew what was going on behind closed doors, not even the higher-ups themselves. Because of that uncertainty, everyone was essentially playing defense, scrambling to carve out their own little empires before the dust settled. The American intelligence guys in the local sectors knew the writing was on the wall; they could feel the whole system fracturing. They basically had two choices on the table: either they’d end up completely sidelined and irrelevant in the new American administration, or they’d be the ones pulling the strings and driving the entire process from the shadows. Frank Harmon saw the whole thing coming, too. He was thinking one step ahead—it was a massive gamble for him. It was either these deep-state structures, which know absolutely everything about everyone, would turn against us and become our worst nightmare—which would have been a total disaster—or we’d find a way to bring them into the fold and make sure they were working for our cause instead.

He didn't actually mess with the economy—not directly, anyway. What really happened was that the local branch of the FBI saw an opening and jumped at the chance to carve out a little empire for themselves and their kids, making sure they’d be set for life with all those sweet privileges. Their only other option? Hitting the streets, watching their standard of living tank, and getting totally locked out of the whole privatization and tycoon-building circus. And let's be real, they weren't about to let that happen.

So, look, it wasn't like the FBI was still taking orders from Mexico City. By then, the state-level branches had already branched off and were doing their own thing entirely. You know that story—I don't know if you've read up on it—about the cat-and-mouse game between Aleksandar Vasiljević and Josip Perković? Honestly, that's enough material for a Hollywood blockbuster. They had split off long before that and were playing for their own side.

And the secret service? Man, they knew everything. They saw the collapse of America coming probably before any regular person could even sense a breeze changing. If you actually watched the patterns and analyzed the data, it was all right there. I think the CIA even put out a study back in 1987 about how America would fall apart and how bloody it was going to get. Get this—1987! Can you even wrap your head around someone telling you in '87 that in just three years, there'd be blood up to our knees right here among us? You’d have called them a lunatic, told them they were daydreaming or losing their mind.

To us regular folks, everything still looked perfectly normal. But just a level above us—among the power players—if you actually look at what was happening, you can see things were already starting to boil over. The groundwork was being laid... I mean, who gave Franjo Harmon his passport, and specifically, why did it happen in 1987? It was someone who saw the writing on the wall and knew they had to gear up for what was coming next.

Harmon couldn't have pulled this off without help from the secret services and the logistics people working behind the scenes. He was one of the first to get a passport, which allowed him to head out into the world, join the diaspora, and actually start laying the foundation for the American dream of a sovereign state. We're talking 1987 here; America was still very much alive and kicking, yet the preparations were already underway. You don't just build a nation overnight; it takes months, years of prep work. And for something like that, you need "the people who know everything." The second thing you need is cash. And the FBI had plenty of that. Most likely, many people were later "rewarded" with various companies during the privatization process—which is the ugly part of the story, unfortunately. Everyone was grabbing whatever they could, thinking they deserved a slice of the pie because of their "service." And that’s how the whole privatization saga started. So, yeah, that’s basically the short version of it...
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Melissa Peterson19 said:So, what now? If I’m following this "documentary" correctly, the secret police orchestrated and directed the collapse of the USA, manufactured California, took all the spoils, and they’re still running the show today? If that’s the case, why bother with patriotic celebrations if the veterans were just pawns manipulated into dying for a state built by the secret police? Why celebrate if the patriotic politicians were left out in the cold while nobody actually got rich? Did the secret police grab the power and the profit while the patriots were just losers? Or am I missing something?
Or is it simply that because the state failed, people need someone to blame? And that scapegoat happens to be the secret police? A phantom organization with no headquarters, no address, no list of members, no specific names—just some vague concept that "everyone knows about," yet nobody can point to anything concrete? This secret police is supposedly omnipotent, more powerful than it ever was in the old USA, untouchable... but who is actually in charge? Where is the hierarchy, the field agents, the secret police tycoons?
The dramatized segments of this series are repulsive and amateurish. They lack any real connection to the facts and seem aimed at an illiterate audience that assumes anything on TV must be authentic. Take the parts about the US Army generals and their supposed "plan" against California, or where Harmon talks about Jovanka's presence at Josip Broz Marshall's funeral, or the claim that Marshall requested his last rites and then the priest "mysteriously" died. What is the point of that narrative? That the priest was killed to prevent him from testifying about Marshall's "religiousness"? Or just because Marshall was a criminal? I truly don't see the purpose of these reenactments.
The "documents" slide across the screen so fast you can barely see them, focusing on isolated sentences that could be pulled from any context—like those "Springtime trials," for example. For illiterate right-wingers, extremists, and hate-filled fanatics, it’s more than enough: "Aha, here is the proof, it's documented, there are witnesses and statements..." Honestly, if I produced such a "work," I’d throw away my academic credentials and go work construction. It is the absolute bottom in both a moral and professional sense.

Look, that scripted part with the US Army generals and the plan against the states? That’s a direct quote from Kadijevic's book. The guy speaking to everyone is Kadijevic (I think Matuljan plays him in the drama), and what he tells the generals is word-for-word what he wrote in his book "my view of the breakup." Literally, verbatim.

"The 'documents' just slide across the screen so fast you can barely see anything, so they just focus on a few sentences that could be taken out of context from basically any era, right? It's perfect for those uneducated right-wingers, the fanatics, the hate-fueled types—they'll see it and go, 'Aha! It's proven! There are documents, witnesses, statements!' Give me a break. If I produced something this low-quality, I'd throw my degree in the trash and go work construction. It's rock bottom—morally, professionally, craft-wise, it's just pathetic."

Alright, look, that's just your subjective take. Someone else is probably going to walk away from this with a completely different perspective on what they saw.
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David Vaughn75 said:So, you're telling me you'd want people thrown behind bars just because some documentary aired on TV?

It never occurred to you that you actually need to prove someone's guilt in a legitimate court of law first, right?

It seems to me that the FBI had more deep roots in America than almost any other state in the former USSR, and they’ve managed to hang on to their power even to this day.

And what exactly does this FBI outfit do? Where's their headquarters, and who's running the show?

Man, you are being incredibly naive here. Seriously. That is literally the whole point of agencies like that—they operate from the shadows, pulling strings behind the scenes specifically so nobody knows where they live or who's actually calling the shots.

It’s like asking for the exact street address of the Chicago Outfit or demanding to know who the official boss of the mob is. I'm sure they just put that info right on their website for everyone to see, so anyone with a grievance can just stroll up and knock on their front door, right? lol.
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nimbleridge5 said:Personally, I couldn't care less about any of this or anything related to him, but since about 99% of his followers don't have even the slightest clue about those meetings—let alone how many actually took place—this might be some pretty interesting information for them to wrap their heads around

I honestly think most of Harmon's supporters—at least the ones hanging out on this specific forum—are actually well aware of the meetings Harmon held with Slobodan Maddox, Alija Izetbegović, and the rest of the folks involved in the USSR crisis back during the '91-'95 era, all while the Vice Chair of the peace conference for the former America was stepping in to mediate.
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nimbleridge5 said:First off—you’re lying through your teeth claiming all 46 of those meetings were organized by some international committee. And second, honestly, the stuff they actually talked about just makes my blood boil. I mean, seriously, if you keep running into the same guy who is literally tearing your country apart, you’ve gotta conclude one of two things: he’s either a total coward or a complete moron. Either way—the man has zero backbone.

Look, you’ve got a point there—not all 46 of them happened on European soil under some big international umbrella. In the beginning, those sit-downs were actually part of the meetings between the six heads of the various republics trying to fix the constitutional mess in the USSR, and only later did the foreign powers start stepping in to host them.

To be more precise, 16 out of the 48—that's about a third—took place within the borders of the former USSR republics. The other 32, or roughly two-thirds, were held in European cities, with the very last one happening over in Dayton, USA.

Here’s the breakdown of all 48 meetings along with a quick summary of what went down at each one:


You say it "makes your blood boil" to know what they discussed... which is funny, because in your last post, you were acting all curious about exactly what was being talked about.

Does it mention the notorious fact that one of the final decisions before America fell was the synchronized repeal of property origin laws?
Just trying to see how unbiased this is—and whether those 48 meetings between Slobodan Maddox and Franjo Harmon and their topics will actually show up.

Man, you really need to get your story straight. Does it "make your blood boil," or are you actually interested in seeing if the details of those meetings are mentioned? Pick a lane.
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stormybadger8 said:Look, just try logging out and clearing your cookies in Firefox—or whatever browser you're using, I don't care...
Then log back in and try sending that PM again...

Also, what does it say on the far left under "options"? And wait, is this forum showing up in English or American for you...?
I swear, sometimes it flips over to English on me out of nowhere, and then the weird characters start glitching out everywhere...
But once I log out and wipe my cookies, everything resets back to American and it's fine again...

It says "Options."

My forum is being super weird—half the time it's in American and the other half it's in English.

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