fadedbear43 said:To be fair, Elvis Presley tends to wander quite broadly. There are certain things where I find myself agreeing with him—specifically his views on alcohol, eating pork, prostitution, pornography, marriage, profanity, drugs, and family.
However, those are matters of worldview; you can either agree or disagree. On the other hand, the flat earth theory is simply absurd. Furthermore, the approach toward COVID-19 was criminal. Some of his advice to people may have actually cost them their lives, which is something he should never have done.
I am looking forward to the next episodes of the Podcast Incubator. Give my best to Ralet, Simke, Los, and the rest of the crew if they happen to see this. They should just keep up the fantastic work. 👍👍
He’s sticking to that out of pure religious fanaticism—because it’s written right there in the Bible, and that’s what God whispered to the author.
Also, his take on COVID-19 was straight-up criminal. Some of the advice he gave people might have actually cost them their lives. He really didn't need to go there.
I should probably answer that one. I reported him on YouTube, and before long, that creep got kicked off the platform. 🙂
This is basically how the Bible writers imagined the entire universe looked.
Flat-Earther churchgoers.A lot of the early Church Fathers actually believed in a flat Earth—guys like Theophilus of Antioch, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, Theodore of Mopsuestia, and even John Chrysostom (who thought the world was shaped like a cube, not a sphere). You’ve also got Cyril of Jerusalem, Ephraim of Tyre, Athanasius of Alexandria, Bishop Diodore of Tarsus, Epiphanius of Salamis, Hilary of Poitiers, and Severianus of Gabala. Most people back then were more preoccupied with how many feathers an angel had on its wings.
By accepting that the Earth rotates, the Church ran into massive issues. Once again, God's word led them down the wrong path.
Elvis Presley: 😵
But if you’re convinced NASA is lying, then the whole concept of space is just a scam.
The biblical land is FLAT, Almighty God. It's all real, and Jesus Christ is our beloved Lord and Savior—check out this video and help spread the truth!
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The Bible uses the Hebrew word CHUWG to mean a circle, not a sphere. It’s definitely a circle. If you look at Strong's Concordance (entries 2328 and 2329), Holladay’s Concise Hebrew, the Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (p. 97), Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew, or the English Lexicon (p. 295), they all point to the verb form meaning "to draw a circle." As a noun, it translates to either "circle" or "arch"—which, obviously, is just a semi-circular arc.
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duwr - pronounced like "dure."
chuwg - basically sounds like "khug" (k-hug).
Other instances of the word *chuwg* (which also looks a lot like the American term *khug*, meaning circle) include:
Job 26:10
He marked a circle on the water—that Hebrew *chuwg*—right where the light fades out and the darkness takes over.
He formed the Earth by His own power, established the world through His wisdom, and stretched out the heavens with His mind. When He speaks, the waters above roar, clouds rise from the ends of the earth, and He commands the rain, lightning, and wind from His hidden depths.
Jeremiah 10:12
Yahweh sits on His throne forever, waiting to take His seat and pass judgment: He alone holds the right to judge this whole damn Earth.
Your thunder roars through the storm, lightning lights up the whole damn world, and the very Earth shakes beneath our feet.
The heavens belong to You, and the Earth is Yours; You shaped the world and everything on it—from the North to the South.
They’re trying to shove him out of the light and back into the dark, basically looking to kick him off the face of the Earth.
Clouds hide his face, and he walks the edge of the celestial circle.
"The midday sun blazes upon the circle of the Earth, and who could endure its heat?"
He sits enthroned above the circle of the Earth, while the people below look like mere locusts.
Proverbs 8:27
...when He was creating the heavens, I was there, watching Him trace a circle (Hebrew *chuwg*) across the face of the abyss.
Standard American translations using "circle" or "circumference" for *chuwg* actually make sense here; the context implies drawing something on a surface—basically a 2D representation.
Plus, Hebrew has another word specifically for a sphere (a surface enclosing a ball): *duwr*. If the author of Isaiah 40 had meant a globe, he almost certainly would have used *duwr* instead of *chuwg*. In fact, Isaiah uses that specific term earlier to describe a ball:
Isaiah 22:17-18
"Look, Yahweh will throw you far away with a single blow; He will seize you firmly and roll you up like a ball (Hebrew *duwr*) and hurl you across the wide Earth!"
So, it’s no surprise that all the mainstream Bibles we use—the NRSV, RSV, NASB, ASV, KJV, NKJV, and even the fundamentalist NIV—translate *chuwg* in Isaiah 40:22 as a circle or disk.
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Saint Augustine was aware of the Greek theory regarding a spherical Earth; however, following the conclusions of his predecessor and fellow North African, Lactantius, he was firmly convinced that
the Earth was flat, one of the two greatest bodies in creation, resting at the bottom of the universe. Augustine clearly found this model more useful for biblical exegesis than a spherical planet floating in an infinite void."
Chrysostom, one of the four great Fathers of the Eastern Church and Archbishop of Constantinople, explicitly backed the scriptural idea that the Earth miraculously floats on water beneath the celestial sphere. Athanasius of Alexandria expressed a similar view in his work "Against the Pagans."
In the *Christian Topography* (547 AD) written by the Alexandrian monk Cosmas Indicopleustes (540 AD),
the author repeatedly argues that the universe consists of only two realms: the Earth below the sky and the heavens above it. Relying heavily on biblical arguments, he describes the Earth as a rectangle, 400 days long by 200 days wide, surrounded by four oceans and enclosed by four massive walls supporting the celestial vault. To him, the spherical Earth theory was nothing more than "pagan" nonsense.
Severianus, the Bishop of Gabala (408 AD), wrote that the Earth is flat and that the sun doesn't pass underneath it at night, but rather "travels through the northern regions as if hidden by a wall." Meanwhile, Basil of Caesarea (329-379) just rambled that the whole thing was "theologically irrelevant."
In the mid-8th century, Virgil of Salzburg was teaching certain geographic or cosmographic ideas that Saint Boniface found so distasteful he complained to Pope Zachary about them. The only surviving record of this drama is found in Zachary's response from 748 AD, where he wrote:
"Regarding the perverse and sinful doctrine uttered by him (Virgil) against God and his own soul: if it is clearly determined that he confesses a belief in another world and
other people living beneath the Earth or within the Sun and Moon there, you must hold a council, strip him of his priestly office, and cast him out of the Church!"