Enlightened Jeff
in Spirituality ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:I agree that Jiddu Krishnamurti doesn't fit that mold. In fact, he dismantled the very organization that was built around his persona. For reasons explained in one of his jokes, of course. But Jeff? He fits.Why shouldn't he share his experiences? And why stay silent? Of course, he’ll charge for them just to cover expenses. If he clings to authority, or allows himself to be turned into a guru, then he’d be wrong—falling right into the trap of religious merchants and gurus, tapping into that general human laziness and craving for security in authority. I don't think he falls into that.
I'm with you on covering hall costs being fine. Krishnamurti was an international speaker, but people invited him to teach and made sure all his expenses were taken care of.
Jeff, however, has an organization that handles all of that for him, promoting him online (and who knows how else, since he isn't exactly a household name) and charging $40 per head for every single talk.
Beyond that, his frantic weekly schedule is pretty suspicious; it keeps changing from the moment you posted the link. Basically, the guy runs four different operations: hall lectures, small group sessions (private settings), Skype consultations, and retreats. All of them are $40 per person. The retreats are probably even pricier.
Just imagine... say Raman had posted Jeff's price list at the entrance of his ashram:
- Large lecture: $40
- Small group session: $40
- Private consultation in a little room: $40
- Retreat: $100
Raman would have said he turned self-realization into a business. But he didn't... he never took a single cent from anyone. He gave spiritual guidance as a gift; in fact, he went out of his way to feed those who came to visit him. For free.
Nisargadatta Swami lived by working at a newsstand. He sold tobacco. When he had free time, people would come to his house, and he would share his insights. Free of charge. That didn't stop him from becoming internationally known or his teachings from traveling the world.
If an enlightened being charges for their help, advice, or sharing—and does so through an organized system with even minimal administration—then they are living off their talk about self-realization. If, on top of that, someone like Jeff is frantically scrambling for cash, then to me, that is the most vulgar form of materialism there is.
That’s all well and good, but it feels a little naive to me. Did Raman just live on sunshine and good vibes? Where exactly was he getting the food he served to all those visitors? IndiaDid he actually turn his ideas into reality? Who was really looking out for him? I bet it was just a massive crowd of followers treating him like some kind of god... and I'm sure their donations weren't exactly small change.
Nisargadatta Swami made his living working at a local newsstand.
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Jeff
| He was selling it. Cigarettes.. |
Jeff
| Whenever he had a spare moment, people would just show up at his place and he'd share his insights. All for free. |
Is it just me, or are the people handing out free advice always the most delusional ones out there? 😁
Jeff
| If some enlightened being starts charging for advice or sharing their "wisdom" while running a whole organized setup with even a tiny bit of admin behind it, they aren't enlightened. They're just living off the hype of their own self-discovery. If Jeff is frantically clawing at cash like that, it’s about as vulgar as materialism gets.. |
Is it really that hard to drop 40 bucks for someone's time and effort?
What’s the last thing you splurged on for yourself—something around $40 or way more? And honestly, was that item actually worth the time wasted dealing with a guy like that?
Even Jesus had a little pouch to carry around all those donations. 😁