Posts by Anthony Perez9

David Vaughn75 said:Look, if you're so dead set on the idea that this light isn't paradise but just some chemical glitch in the brain, why even bother asking me if I've seen the heavenly light Thomas Nelson25 was talking about?
Thomas Nelson25 was clearly talking about the actual paradise, so you totally jumped the gun by interjecting.

It's not about belief or disbelief for me when it comes to that "light."
I felt it. That's why I asked you, since you seemed so skeptical.

David Vaughn75 said:So what do you do with that light? What makes it heavenly?

If you actually experienced it, you wouldn't be asking questions like that.

David Vaughn75 said:Look, if you're so dead set on the idea that this light isn't paradise but just some chemical glitch in the brain, why even bother asking me if I've seen the heavenly light Thomas Nelson25 was talking about?
Thomas Nelson25 was clearly talking about the actual paradise, so you totally jumped the gun by interjecting.

Whatever he meant, let him explain it himself instead of you playing interpreter. Honestly, his post is pretty funny and fits perfectly. 👍

Thomas Nelson25 said:
Some people say it's a white light you can't look at directly, but once we kick the bucket—and according to some theories, if we were good people and not total jerks—we can stare right at it without blinking.

David Vaughn75 said:Look, if you're so dead set on the idea that this light isn't paradise but just some chemical glitch in the brain, why even bother asking me if I've seen the heavenly light Thomas Nelson25 was talking about?
Thomas Nelson25 was clearly talking about the actual paradise, so you totally jumped the gun by interjecting.

Actual heaven? 😂

That's not for us. We exist somewhere in the middle. We're mortal.
You can't survive in that "light." You catch a glimpse, and that's it.
Then the ego gets hooked and wants more. So people cook up some theology to try and grab onto it forever and ever through "God's saving grace." Every religion is basically selling that same lie or delusion about paradise. ☕

Thomas Nelson25 said:Some folks say it’s this blinding white light—the kind you can’t look at directly—but once we kick the bucket (and if we played by the rules and weren't jerks), we can finally gaze into it... without blinking. 🙄

Physics, on the other hand...
The expansion of the Universe is happening within itself—and get this—it doesn't necessarily have to "expand" at all. Maybe everything is just unfolding within that one dimensionless micro-point.
Basically, the so-called singularity is still there; it's just that we aren't wired to perceive it.

David Vaughn75 said:But honestly, what are you even supposed to do with all that light? What's so "heavenly" about it anyway? 🤷

Anthony Perez9 said:You mean you haven't actually felt that "light" yet?

David Vaughn75 said:Look, man, I'm stuck here on this planet—how exactly am I supposed to experience it?

Plenty of folks have had that "light" experience right here on Earth (as far as I know, nobody's pulled it off on Mars yet).
It’s just a specific psychological state.
People hit it during extreme stress, through certain substances, or when they're hovering on the edge of death.
That whole "mystical" vibe is basically the foundation of every religion out there. It's just brain chemistry acting up, and the resulting mental "divine/heavenly" nonsense is usually just whatever garbage the ego thinks will make it feel better.

David Vaughn75 said:But honestly, what are you even supposed to do with all that light? What's so "heavenly" about it anyway? 🤷

You mean you haven't actually felt that "light" yet?

David Vaughn75 said:According to Saint Paul, Christ is coming back down to Earth, raising people from their graves, and setting up the Kingdom of God.

Then you’ve got Thomas Aquinas, who brought in that whole doctrine about the soul leaving the body to head off to either heaven or hell.

Non-stop bliss with zero chance of any kind of struggle? That’s basically just not existing. There’s no difference.

And honestly, it’s a little creepy. If you have to be perpetually, irreversibly conscious in that state—with absolutely no way to hit the "off" switch, just constantly staring at Isusa_alKrishrishn—that's just as haunting as the idea of total annihilation.

So, it feels pointless.

Extending a high-quality mortal life sounds great,
but an inescapable eternity as some immortal being without any challenges... yeah, that's eerie.

In Hinduism, they see heaven as temporary. Once your good karma runs out, you cycle back to Earth, which is basically this giant testing ground for humanity.

From Earth, you can transition into an eternal spiritual realm where you possess a spiritual body, and even then, you face challenges—essentially spending an entire eternity serving God.

I wonder what kind of actual theology that guy was preaching...

Thomas Aquinas introduced the doctrine that the soul leaves the body to go to heaven or hell.

That would be pretty weird, since he’d basically be a major heretic. It makes more sense that he was defending the physical body for both heaven and hell, just with different qualities.

In Hinduism, heaven is temporary—once your good karma runs out, you return to Earth, which is basically a testing ground for humans.

From Earth, you can move into an eternal spiritual realm where you have a spiritual body and face challenges, essentially serving God for all eternity.

I could probably come up with my own hypothesis, like some version of the Spaghettis Monster's paradise, filled with endless pizza, rum, macaroni, and sauce. 🙂

David Vaughn75 said:I’m throwing this out there for anyone who actually believes in an afterlife—but hey, if you’re a skeptic, feel free to jump in and tell me why you think it’s all nonsense too.

So, here's what's rattling around in my brain: do we actually get a physical body in heaven, or are we just floating around in some vague, spiritual void? If we do get bodies back, who gets the final say on what we look like—is it God making the calls, or do we get some kind of cosmic autonomy?
And what’s the crowd situation like? Are we talking about a private VIP lounge where it's just us, or is the place packed with other people and... I don't know, other beings hanging out in the same space?
Is paradise basically just some pristine botanical garden like Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden, or is it more like a non-stop, eternal rave where we can indulge in whatever we want without any consequences?

Anyway, how do you guys picture it?

So, what do you guys think—will we actually have bodies in heaven?

Catholics have to believe in having a physical body in heaven, since Jesus ascended there along with Mary. Physically. And everyone in hell is physical too, because how else would their skin be replaced while burning (according to the Quran)? Plus, those 72 virgins are material beings there.

Anyway, how do you picture heaven?

Non-stop bliss without any kind of challenge sounds just like nothingness to me. There’s no difference.

It’s also a little creepy. If you have to be eternally, irrevocably conscious in that state, with zero chance of checking out—just constantly staring at Isusa_alKrishrishn—it's as haunting as the thought of just vanishing entirely.

So, it's pointless.

An extension of a good life on Earth would be great,
but being immortal beings stuck without any challenges forever... yeah, that's pretty grim.

wearyowl29 said:Hardly anyone ever admits they were wrong, let alone actually changes their ways after getting called out. I guess "psychology" just isn't your thing, huh?

What else are you going to do, just sit around and watch everyone else live their lives?
You'll be playing the flute for eternity!🤣

The Bible doesn't really give us a play-by-play description of Heaven, yet everyone seems so certain it exists.
That whole idea of an imaginaran, static state of the soul is just part of that deep-seated desire to spend forever playing the flute and gazing upon Jesus. It’s the only thing you guys have left...

There’s more to it. Beyond just bowing down to God and His little inner circle (Mary, Paul & Peter, the apostles, all the saints, Moses, Noah, those holy inquisitors, Bozanic, and the patriotic types), you get a front-row seat to a live reality show giving you a crystal-clear view of the damned suffering in hell (just as that doctor of empty theology, Saint Thomas Aquinas, laid it out).
If your parents were atheists or followed some faith that wasn't Catholic or Christian enough, you'll get the joy of watching them sizzle eternally in the fires of hell, gnashing their teeth and weeping (by the grace of their Lord, Jesus Christ).


"Where is this spirituality taking us? Is it dangerous or what?"

🤣🤦

Zachary Cox69 said:And what’s so weird about that?
If someone you actually love asks for forgiveness—and I mean real, heartfelt forgiveness—you'll forgive them, sure. But you're also going to tell them they need to kneel on corn kernels for 100 days, fast for 40, whip themselves, and eat nothing but vegetables for two years or something.
If your kid begs for forgiveness for something, you're going to make them suffer through penance for years before they finally earn that mercy. Honestly, this version of "mercy" you're preaching makes me sick.

That's some straight-up garbage right there.

lonestag15 said:So, I went straight to the source and asked Zachary Cox69...

If a person can't be "saved" without acknowledging Jesus—if it's all about faith rather than actually doing good things—then what happens to the people who have never even heard of this Jesus figure but live perfectly decent lives?

I'm curious to see where he stands on that...

It’s pretty blunt. Good people head straight to Hell if they won't join a specific sect that worships Jesus as God.
He insists that Jesus Christ is the only God, period. In his eyes, if you aren't worshipping Him, you're worshipping something else or Satan, so you're doomed to eternal ruin regardless of how many good things you do:

So, he's basically sending a perfectly nice, faithful forum user like Silver-bear to HELL:

Zachary Cox69 said:Well, you'll surely end up there if you're following someone who isn't God. How is He supposed to step in and stop that?
And I'm sure you've met plenty of addicts out there. Why did they start down that dark path? Because they listened to someone telling them what was coming.

And he low-key compares him to "junkies," clearly implying he knows "what awaits him" if he doesn't fall in love with the hellish Jesus Christ as God (Hell):

Zachary Cox69 said:Well, you'll surely end up there if you're following someone who isn't God. How is He supposed to step in and stop that?
And I'm sure you've met plenty of addicts out there. Why did they start down that dark path? Because they listened to someone telling them what was coming.

Since this is just pure, mindless sadism lacking any shred of empathy, he uses Christian apologetics to claim that before the dead are tossed into Hell, God Jesus will approach them one last time with an ultimatum:

Either you face eternal roasting in my hellish gulag, or you acknowledge me as your personal Savior (to get out of that Hell):

Zachary Cox69 said:Just caught this.
My starting point is that God is just—He isn't going to condemn anyone innocent.
There’s an interesting part in the Gospel where it mentions that after Jesus died, He went to preach to those living in darkness (ignorance) before He came as the Savior. So, the deceased are somewhere waiting, and He went to them. Basically, everyone gets a shot.
You can't really blame someone for rejecting someone they never even knew existed.
There’s also stuff in the New Testament about how "Gentiles" might be judged or saved based on moral standards. Essentially, the immoral go to Hell, while the moral don't. I think Paul wrote something along those lines.
Personally, I lean toward that first idea. Everyone will eventually hear about Jesus Savior—whether it's during their life or after. Death isn't the end of the road. God plays fair.
I've seen plenty of testimonies from Jews and Muslims about Jesus appearing to them in dreams and saying, "I am your Savior." It's a lot like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus. Suddenly, they become Christians. I believe in a just God.

Based on that statement from Peter (1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6) within the 3rd-century Christian belief system: "Having been made alive in the Spirit, he was also made alive in them, when Christ went forth and preached to the spirits in prison..."
So, after His "death" but before the resurrection, Jesus supposedly visited the spirits of those submerged in the Flood while they were stuck in a dungeon (maybe a waiting room for Hell?). He preached the good news that they could be saved too, if they just bought into His story. Basically, it was a second chance for everyone who missed the boat on that ridiculous Noah's Ark situation. Did everyone in that "dungeon" instantly jump to confessing Jesus when He showed up thousands of years after the Flood, telling them to believe or face immediate incineration in an eternal lake of fire?

The apocryphal "Gospel of Nicodemus" goes into more detail about this trip Jesus took to Hell—His third-day resurrection, ascending to Heaven alongside various saints and Adam; it describes how Satan and the Prince of Hell tried to bar the Gates of Hell against Him, only for Him to shout through a massive storm:

"Lift up your heads, O Gates (of Hell). Oh, let the eternal gates be lifted, for the King of Glory comes."

The whole thing is interesting because it reflects what early Christians actually believed. The idea of descending into Hell wasn't even officially part of the Apostolic Creed until the third century.

Regarding Jesus descending into/over/above Hell and the current chatter in the Catholic Church catechism:

CHRIST DESCENDED OVER HELL

"It was these very holy souls, waiting for their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Jesus liberated when He descended to the dead." Jesus didn't descend over Hell to free the damned nor to destroy the hell of curses, but to release the righteous who came before Him.
634 "That is why He preached the Gospel even to the dead" (1 Peter 4:6).
635 Christ therefore descended into the depths of death, so that "the dead might hear the voice of the Son of God and those who heard Him might live."

"Silence! God has fallen asleep! Search for Adam and Eve in their chains."

A great silence now reigns upon the earth, a profound silence and a vast loneliness. A great silence because the King sleeps. The earth trembled and then stilled because God fell asleep in the flesh and went to wake those who had been sleeping for ages (...). He goes to seek Adam, our forefather, the lost sheep. He desires to descend to walk among all who sit in darkness and the shadow of death. He seeks to release Adam from his chains and Eve, who is bound with him—He being at once their God and their Son (...).

Zachary Cox69 said:Just caught this.
My starting point is that God is just—He isn't going to condemn anyone innocent.
There’s an interesting part in the Gospel where it mentions that after Jesus died, He went to preach to those living in darkness (ignorance) before He came as the Savior. So, the deceased are somewhere waiting, and He went to them. Basically, everyone gets a shot.
You can't really blame someone for rejecting someone they never even knew existed.
There’s also stuff in the New Testament about how "Gentiles" might be judged or saved based on moral standards. Essentially, the immoral go to Hell, while the moral don't. I think Paul wrote something along those lines.
Personally, I lean toward that first idea. Everyone will eventually hear about Jesus Savior—whether it's during their life or after. Death isn't the end of the road. God plays fair.
I've seen plenty of testimonies from Jews and Muslims about Jesus appearing to them in dreams and saying, "I am your Savior." It's a lot like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus. Suddenly, they become Christians. I believe in a just God.

And every single frog in the deepest Amazon rainforest has heard the propaganda about Jesus Christ.

Zachary Cox69 said:Just caught this.
My starting point is that God is just—He isn't going to condemn anyone innocent.
There’s an interesting part in the Gospel where it mentions that after Jesus died, He went to preach to those living in darkness (ignorance) before He came as the Savior. So, the deceased are somewhere waiting, and He went to them. Basically, everyone gets a shot.
You can't really blame someone for rejecting someone they never even knew existed.
There’s also stuff in the New Testament about how "Gentiles" might be judged or saved based on moral standards. Essentially, the immoral go to Hell, while the moral don't. I think Paul wrote something along those lines.
Personally, I lean toward that first idea. Everyone will eventually hear about Jesus Savior—whether it's during their life or after. Death isn't the end of the road. God plays fair.
I've seen plenty of testimonies from Jews and Muslims about Jesus appearing to them in dreams and saying, "I am your Savior." It's a lot like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus. Suddenly, they become Christians. I believe in a just God.

What's that supposed to mean?
Where do you get the nerve to call people on this forum immoral just because they believe in a different God than yours?

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Those are just isolated cases used for Christian propaganda. Muslims do the same thing, bragging about how some Christian decided to convert to Islam.

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Like Zachary Cox69, for example. 🤣

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

So basically, you can be moral and kind, helping other Jews, but if you heard those shaky fairy tales about Jesus from some random Greek guy and didn't buy it, you're headed straight for a hellish concentration camp.

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Yeah, because every stray cat in rural Alabama has heard about Jesus.

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

Oh, right, after Jesus threatens to toss them into a lake of fire....

Zachary Cox69 said:There’s no such thing as reincarnation. You’re a human once, and that’s it. Those who accepted Christ as their Savior go straight to God. Everyone else—if they heard that Jesus wanted to save them and turned Him down during their lifetime—goes straight to Hell. As for those who never even heard a word about Jesus Savior, they enter a sort of waiting state. There, Jesus reveals Himself to them just like He does to us here. They get the same choice to accept or reject Him—just like we do while we're alive hearing about the Messiah. Maybe there isn't much theological backing for that, but it's just how I see it.

😵

lonestag15 said:But what if someone has literally never even heard of Jesus and hasn't been baptized, yet they live a totally righteous life?

Who hasn't heard of that made-up character? They shove him in front of every newborn in the country and push the narrative in every corner of the globe.

And what does "heard of Jesus" even mean? Every Christian sect has its own version of Jesus they swear by. As far as I can tell, the only one who actually "heard" him was Paul after he hit the pavement. Along with a bunch of other dreamers.

Everyone’s heard the story, so nobody gets an excuse if they don't buy in—which means they just head straight for the lake of fire... ☕

The idea that telling people they'll be tossed into Jesus's eternal Inquisition-style camp for being disobedient somehow "refines" the human soul? Honestly, I think it just brutalizes the mind and primes people for religiously sanctioned violence and spiritual stupidity. It's the same old story, whether it's today or thousands of years ago. It's like people back then were barely even human.

Zachary Cox69 said:There was this guy on another forum who thought he had power, like control over lightning or something. We used to call him "Thunderbolt" just to mock him. A total nutcase.
After a few exchanges, realizing he was completely unhinged, I stopped responding. But he kept messaging me. For years. Like a tick, just latched onto me. Pathetic pleas like, "Please, I'm not reading you, please."
It was useless. You're just like him—I'm not reading you, you're not interesting, yet you keep pushing. Seriously, stop. There are other people on this forum; go chat with them, you're boring me. I'm not reading you—just get lost. If you have any integrity left (though I doubt it), you'll do it.

You've officially lost it. 🤦

Stick to the topic and try to give coherent replies, if you're even capable of that.
Since you clearly can't, try reading my posts carefully a few times, then sit in silence and meditate on them. 😛
There's always something new to learn, I guess. 👍

wearyowl29 said:Well, in my case, they baptized me and didn't ask me a single question!

It's actually pretty tough to "un-baptize" yourself because the organization doesn't want to rock the boat. They love keeping those numbers high for their statistics, even though in reality, they're smaller than they look since for most people, it's just cultural folklore and tradition rather than an actual way of life.

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Nimrod

Listen, Anthony Perez9, I'm un-baptizing you.

IN THE NAME OF THE MOTHER,
THE DAUGHTER
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
(or whatever you want, or just in your own name, or yours alone)

forever,
before the magical baptism ritual,
during it,
and for all time after.

Aron Ra.
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There. It's not dangerous and won't hurt anyone.

P.S.: If you're already un-baptized, might as well do it again, just to be safe. 🙂

Note: Un-baptizing doesn't cost you anything. You can still enjoy the advent in town, decorate a tree, listen to choir music, duck into a church if it starts raining, or just make the sign of the cross if some fanatics give you a dirty look.

Zachary Cox69 said:And what kind of god turns you into a rat, a snake, a monkey, or an elephant through reincarnation?

God doesn't send anyone to hell—it’s our choice. If we decide that's how we want to live, there isn't a God in the world who can step in and save us. Besides, escaping hell is actually pretty simple. Nobody earns their way into heaven; we get in solely through God's grace. Heaven = eternal life.
Simple? Well, being saved from hell is easy—just have some sincere repentance for your sins and you're set.
Let me put it this way: you live a decent, moral life, you're a good father, and you teach your kid to do the same—telling them drugs are a dead end and they should stay far away from them. Then, the kid ignores you, starts using in secret, and dies young. Are you the one to blame for them turning their life into a living hell? You can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved.

Honestly, we all evolved from animals. It’s just us, our distant ancestors... like, my great-great-great-grandma was probably a fish or something. ☕

God doesn't send anyone to hell. That's entirely on us.

Once again, you’re painting God like he's some almighty Hitler or a total idiot. He created beings who will spend the other half of eternity listening to the horrific screams of skin sizzling in hell, while his holy fig trees sing psalms in paradise to praise Lord Hallelujah. It's just like all those buddies from the New Testament—the eternal virgin, Jesus Nicodemus, various Catholic saints, the apostles, Joseph, who clearly wasn't that devoted to his wife, and all the rest of the characters from that brutal Greek fairy tale.

If we've already decided to live this way, there isn't a God out there who can save us. Getting saved from hell is actually the easy part.

Just typical inquisitor nonsense. "It’s easy enough to dodge the stake—just kiss a cross and call it a day," they say. Typical.

Nobody actually earns their way into heaven. It’s all about God's grace if we're ever going to make it to eternal life.

So basically, being a decent human being doesn't matter at all. It’s not about your actions or helping people; it’s just about picking a side in some Christian political party and checking the box that says you "accept Christ."

Easy? Honestly, just repent for your sins and you're saved from hell. Simple as that.

Even if you get caught in the crossfire, getting out easy enough.
Either you get on board with Muhammad, or you're going to lose your head.
Easy enough.

It’s just as easy to walk away from Jesus-God when he starts throwing around ultimatums like that.

Look, let me make this simple. You live a decent life, you stay moral, you’re a good dad, and you teach your kid to do the same. You hammer home that drugs are poison and tell them to stay far away from that life. Then they ignore everything, go out and get hooked, and die young. Are you really the one to blame for them turning their own life into a living hell?

At the end of the day, you're the only one responsible for your own life.
Are you really planning to slow-cook Hitler over a low flame for thousands of years? Honestly, even he didn't deserve that kind of sadism.

You can't save someone who isn't looking to be saved.

Is a sadistic God crazy for predicting that most of His creations would choose to throw themselves into an eternal lake of fire just because they felt like it? It’s like He created this whole God-Jesus madman persona just to enjoy watching people suffer in hellfire, claiming, "well, they asked for it." 😵 🤦

Being part of these hellish religions is going to become a massive embarrassment, no matter how much those religious fanatics brag about their own brutality and sadism.

It's honestly pathetic that we let our kids get indoctrinated by this hellish Jesus Christ invented by some Greeks.

lonestag15 said:Everything you just laid out—all those traits you're attributing to God—are just human characteristics...

Sin is basically the reason we can't just walk up to God... I mean, let's be real—there isn't a single person on this planet, no matter how much of a saint they try to act like, who hasn't messed up at some point. So, if you actually believe, you pray for forgiveness and you get it—assuming you're being genuine, obviously—because Christ took all our sins upon himself...
So, you know that one story from the New Testament...
So, picture this—some guy walks up to Jesus and asks him straight up, “Teacher, what’s the move if I want eternal life?” And Jesus basically hits him with, “Why are you asking me about what's good? There's only one truly good one. But look, if you actually want in, just follow the commandments.” The guy’s like, “Which ones?” So Jesus lays it out: Don’t kill. Don’t commit adultery. Don’t steal. Don’t lie. Honor your parents. And love your neighbor as yourself. The young guy goes, “Yeah, but I’ve done all that. What am I missing?” And Jesus tells him, “If you want to be perfect, go ahead—sell everything you own, give the money to the poor, and you’ll have treasure in heaven. Then come follow me.” Man, the kid just walks away looking totally crushed because he was loaded. And Jesus turns to his disciples and says, “Seriously, I'm telling you, it's incredibly hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I'll say it again: it’s easier for a devil to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.”

So, look—the guy was moral, sure, and he believed... but let's be real, God wasn't exactly his number one priority...

Yahweh was in the Old Testament...

The first time God actually spoke up, He used that "I am" line—revealed Himself by that exact name... which basically just points to pure existence.
Eheye asher eheye—it basically comes from the concept of "to be," like I am going to "be"... I don't even know how else to put it... And Yahweh is just a derivative of that whole idea.

So, what actually happened with that request?...

Was Jesus Christ actually moral? Hardly. He was just your run-of-the-mill religious fanatic.
There's zero morality when the punishment is infinitely disproportionate to any "sin"—that whole hellscape concept is just something this fictional character from some Greek myth "according to Mark" dragged into our world. It's honestly revolting.
Once a believer actually starts using their brain, they stop believing in a demonic God Jesus. But that's a hard pill to swallow since the clergy loves indoctrinating kids, either directly or through their parents. They thrive on that parasitic mix of faith and nationalism.

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lonestag15 said:My local pastor is such a nationalist—he spends more time rambling about politics than actually preaching—so I stopped going. I used to drive halfway across town just to hear this one older priest, though. He was such an inspiring speaker that the commute was totally worth it for his sermons.

So, we've got the church as a building and the Church as a community, yet somehow it seems like neither really matters...

What he said regarding meditation basically completely stripped away any need for a priest to act as a middleman. That's actually what I like about the whole statement. You believe in Bog—you don't need a lawyer to talk to Him.

Most of the American clergy, especially the bishops led by Bozanic, have sold their souls to the devil, playing defense for Pavelić's puppet regime.
It’s all just pure, unadulterated paranoia—this frantic, trembling fear of anything "red," any hint of communism, or even basic atheism. It's basically just common sense acting like acid on their religious fairy tales.

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I used to trek all the way across town just to hear this one old priest speak. The guy was such an inspiring orator that the commute was actually worth it.

Back when I was actually Catholic, nothing beat a truly inspired sermon. Nowadays, it’s just a bunch of narrow-minded fanatics masquerading as believers. I guess since nobody wants to join the priesthood anymore, they just recruit anyone they can find from the most remote backwaters in the country.

Doesn't mean the Protestant sects or Orthodox versions are any better, and don't even get me started on Islam...

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So, you've got the church as a building and the church as a community, but honestly? It feels like it doesn't even matter if you show up to either one.

Those buildings weren't built on thin air... someone actually broke their back to put them up.
So, community. Just how many idiots does it take to make one? The warm stench of a mob. Comfortable and secure? Please.

"Quote:"

What he said about meditation basically cuts out the need for a priest to act as a middleman. I dig that part of his statement. If you believe in God, you don't need a lawyer to talk to Him for you.

Sure. But who’s to say God won't just hand you everything on a silver platter? You already have what you need to live. There's no point kneeling before deities or begging for mercy—that isn't meditation, it's just being a pathetic beggar to some chemical concoction dreamed up by hollow, useless minds (like that whole mess involving Jesus Christ and his mother).

rowdytiger13 said:The French Parliament just decided that anti-Zionism is essentially synonymous with anti-Semitism, or at least a specific form of it.
The proposal passed with 154 votes in favor and 72 against.

👍

A bunch of anti-Semitic creeps, racists, and hate-mongers have crawled into their little holes pretending to be "anti-Zionists." There’s a particular subset of Islamists who seem obsessed with the idea of wiping Israel off the map.
I really hope people like that stay quiet and stop spreading their venom in public.
Usually, anti-Semitism is just the tip of the iceberg for the kind of twisted nonsense these people carry around in their heads. It’s a great way to spot the losers, the empty suits, or the lost intellectuals.
Plus, most conspiracy theory rambling is either fueled by or outright soaked in anti-Semitism anyway.

Of course, nobody points fingers at the anti-Zionists from the ultra-Orthodox Haredi Jew circles (those religious fanatics) or calls them anti-Semites.
It's the other crowd that's the problem...

lonestag15 said:I don't know, man—to me, chakras act more like psychological blueprints, right? Like, they're just descriptions of what actually matters at different levels—starting from the base stuff and working up to those higher-level vibes tied to self-actualization. And if you follow the logic of how life actually works, you've gotta sort out the foundation first... handle the lower stuff before you even try to step back and look at the big picture of where you're headed...
Is there even any actual proof that chakras exist? Honestly, I don't think so... whereas when you talk about Kundalini—Shakti, if we're being technical—there’s real evidence just by looking at people who have actually achieved it... and besides, you can pretty much verify the reality of those effects for yourself if you actually try it...

I can't believe I'm even seeing this... but apparently, some people really love to dwell on the past—as if that actually changes anything today. It’s just exhausting, honestly. We should be looking forward, not stuck in some outdated mindset that doesn't apply to how things work here in America anymore. Anyway, whatever...

Look, there are actual accounts out there from people who completely lost it after trying to force that Kundalini stuff... we're talking people ending up in psychiatric wards because they totally trashed their neurotransmitter balance—specifically dopamine...

You can see for yourself through the internships—if you actually bother to do them—that they work... and like, pretty damn fast too...

I’ve got a buddy who’s a Kundalini yoga instructor over in New York City, so I actually know exactly what I'm talking about...
I mean, come to think of it, Nikola Tesla actually said that Kundalini yoga is what wakes up those dormant, powerful psychic energies...

Look, you might want to push back on his claims—especially that whole "aliens are kidnapping people" nonsense from that one forum... honestly, it's just pure delusion...

You've been played. Unknown Nikola Tesla never said or wrote anything like that.
Don't waste your time on tabloid trash like this:

"Your followers are upset that you're attacking the theory of relativity."

(Fake) interview with Nikola Tesla from 1899.
http://www.tesla2017.com/intervju/

theory of relativity
Albert Einstein published The theory of special relativity in 1905

Zachary Cox69 said:Think if you want.
They worship someone who isn't God, chanting "Hare Hare ...." through neighborhoods and streets.
They give up all sorts of foods that God provided for us to eat—not to mention a lot of couples giving up sex.
If those people seem normal to you, then something is definitely off.

Jesus never touched pork; he stuck strictly to kosher laws. Same goes for his buddies right up until Peter, when God told him, "Go ahead, butcher and eat anything!"

And plenty of married couples still hook up.

Just like Mary and Joseph, the eternal engaged couple from those old stories.

If they think that's normal, there's definitely something wrong with them.

👍
Nailed it.

Andrew Gomez6 said:Here we go again—yet another piece of spiritual nonsense that has absolutely zero basis in science. It’s all coming from this Hindu yoga craze, specifically this concept called brahmacharya. Honestly, I’ve personally suffered some serious mental trauma because I was foolish enough to buy into this crap blindly. The whole premise is that by retaining semen (the longer, the better), you somehow unlock supernatural powers, a photographic memory, a massive boost in IQ, superhuman focus, a genius-level intellect, and total success in every single area of life. These Hindu yogis actually take it a step further, claiming that without practicing brahmacharya, you can't make any meaningful spiritual progress at all. In the States, this dangerous ideology is pushed by people like Vlado Poznovija (Swami Brahmajnananda), and it was also championed by the late Swami Šivananda from Rishikesh. Probably a lot of others too...

Yeah. It’s just fanatic garbage. You see the same thing in other parts of the Bible (Jesus').

So, stay away from Jesus Christ and his ever-virgin mother Mary, along with her husband Joseph, the virgin's eternal fiancé, who in their marriage—if you can even call those engagements a marriage—never, ever, actually had sex. And they push this whole setup as some kind of gold standard. It’s gross and cheesy at the same time.

Then you’ve got Saint Paul rambling on about how it's better for a man not to touch a woman.
1 Timothy 7.

Honestly, people like that should just get collectively castrated so they can breeze right into the kingdom of heaven. 🙄
(And the rest of the clergy living in strict celibacy better watch how they act, because if
they think masturbation is fine and they're doing it constantly, I'd actually be okay with them visiting strip clubs or prostitutes—
as long as it isn't coming out of the taxpayers' pockets. If believers think they need it, let them pay for it themselves.)

Let's fix that idiot Paul:

"It's actually good for a man to touch a woman. And any other combination of consenting adults is fine too; it's perfectly good for a woman to touch a man, or a man to touch a man, or a woman to touch a woman." 👍 😛

Zachary Cox69 said:What exactly is spirituality?
There’s this one Christian sect in the USA—though where else, really? Everywhere you look, people are selling some version of "spirituality"—where they catch venomous snakes with their bare hands. If you survive, you're considered spiritual. It's a bit like how the Sufi Order operates, too.
http://rs.n1info.com/Vesti/a374471/D...avangarda.html
Or take this—people actually let themselves be crucified.
Between the whipping, the nailing to crosses, seeking "death," and barefoot pilgrimages... traditions across the world can get pretty wild and interesting.
CP
An Australian man and 29 Filipinos participated this year in a traditional wooden crucifixion on Good Friday in the Philippines, reenacting the death of Jesus.

In the town of Kapitangan, four men and one woman were "crucified," while another 25 men underwent the same process in the town of Cutud, according to international news outlets. These customs—which the Catholic Church doesn't support—are meant to "cleanse the souls" of those undergoing such painful rituals.

One guy holds the record with 23 crucifixions under his belt.

These rituals have been going on in Cutud for 54 years now, and this year, thousands of tourists flocked to the region just to watch those 25 men being "crucified." To become a "Christ"—which is what they call these people—you have to wait years, often sitting on long waiting lists. The record holder is 48-year-old Ruben Enaje, who has been crucified 23 times.

After the "crucifixion," every "Christ" is taken by doctors to have their wounds checked, while others step in to carry their crosses. Some critics argue that the whole thing has turned into little more than a tourist attraction—that the actual faith and redemption have been lost in the spectacle.
Or this. Honestly, it's no wonder so many rational people struggle to believe in God when they see stuff like this.
http://arhiva.dalje.com/foto.php?id=...41&idrf=495733

He's just that lying type, and Jesus recommended him as proof of Christian faith:

A These signs are just gonna follow anyone who actually believes.They’ll be casting out demons in my name. Bad actors everywhere.They'll start speaking in all these new languages soon enough. Snakes are always looking for an opening."If they drink anything poisonous, it won't hurt them; they’ll lay hands on the sick, and they'll be healed." After Jesus said that, He was taken up to heaven to sit at God's right hand.

Zachary Cox69 said:What exactly is spirituality?
There’s this one Christian sect in the USA—though where else, really? Everywhere you look, people are selling some version of "spirituality"—where they catch venomous snakes with their bare hands. If you survive, you're considered spiritual. It's a bit like how the Sufi Order operates, too.
http://rs.n1info.com/Vesti/a374471/D...avangarda.html
Or take this—people actually let themselves be crucified.
Between the whipping, the nailing to crosses, seeking "death," and barefoot pilgrimages... traditions across the world can get pretty wild and interesting.
CP
An Australian man and 29 Filipinos participated this year in a traditional wooden crucifixion on Good Friday in the Philippines, reenacting the death of Jesus.

In the town of Kapitangan, four men and one woman were "crucified," while another 25 men underwent the same process in the town of Cutud, according to international news outlets. These customs—which the Catholic Church doesn't support—are meant to "cleanse the souls" of those undergoing such painful rituals.

One guy holds the record with 23 crucifixions under his belt.

These rituals have been going on in Cutud for 54 years now, and this year, thousands of tourists flocked to the region just to watch those 25 men being "crucified." To become a "Christ"—which is what they call these people—you have to wait years, often sitting on long waiting lists. The record holder is 48-year-old Ruben Enaje, who has been crucified 23 times.

After the "crucifixion," every "Christ" is taken by doctors to have their wounds checked, while others step in to carry their crosses. Some critics argue that the whole thing has turned into little more than a tourist attraction—that the actual faith and redemption have been lost in the spectacle.
Or this. Honestly, it's no wonder so many rational people struggle to believe in God when they see stuff like this.
http://arhiva.dalje.com/foto.php?id=...41&idrf=495733

He's just some fake guy Jesus recommended as proof of Christian faith:

Luke 14:27 If you aren't willing to carry your own cross, you're not going anywhere. There's no way someone like me could ever be their mentor.

Matthew 16:24 says that Jesus told His followers, "If anyone wants to follow me, they must deny themselves." He should just pick up his cross and get lost. Right behind me.
Whoever tries to save their own life is just gonna lose it. Who’s willing to throw their life away for me?He'll find him eventually.

Today's theologians will try to wiggle out of it and claim it wasn't meant that way, but people actually read the Word. They think they need to buy a ticket to heaven to dodge hellfire, even though Jesus says you have to lose your life just to find it.
2+2=4

David Vaughn75 said:Alright, why don't you enlighten me then: where do these desires even come from, and who put them inside us in the first place?

A son uses drugs because he simply doesn't give a damn about God, his parents, or even himself. It's just like, "Whatever, I don't care." Half the junkies out there had great parents and total financial security, yet they still choose to chase that high.

Yeah, sure, he's using drugs *because* of God—what a random choice to just wreck your entire life for no reason at all.😵

No son, whether he's yours or mine, is some kind of divine sacrifice. The world we live in? We made it, not God. God is the Absolute up in heaven, living in eternal life, not down here. Down here, people just do a lot of shitty things—it's got nothing to do with God or fate.

God created one soul in a nice suburb in Connecticut, and another one in a war zone in Somalia.

God decided that one person would be born into a civilized, loving family, while someone else gets dropped right into the middle of a collapsed state in the middle of a war.

That's the way it is.

The universe is just chaotic. You can't have perfect justice where everyone gets the exact same deal all the time. If an asteroid hits us, that's just cosmic luck. We were handed this life without asking for it, so we don't really have a leg to stand on when complaining about "unfairness" or demanding we have the same life as someone living in total luxury.