dominikx10 said:ccc... 🙂 little troll...
1. Before that quote, it says:
Any man who prays or prophesies with his head uncovered brings shame upon his head. Likewise, any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered brings shame upon her head.
So this specifically refers to behavior during PRAYER AND PROPHESYING.
I don't know what you're getting at. That a woman doesn't need to cover her head after prayer? That's not the point. The point is the hierarchical relationship where the woman is positioned below the man in this "explanation." In "God's presence" during prophecy or prayer, the woman clearly holds a lower status than the men.
How can this kind of backwardness even be promoted today? If that's your thing, fine. Personally, I think it's shameful and regressive.
2: Following the quote said:Yet in the Lord—neither is the woman without the man, nor the man without the woman! For as the wife is to the husband, so is the husband to the wife; and all things are from God.
That doesn't change the core issue at all.
Want the whole passage? Here:
Wearing Veils
#11 Be my imitators, just as I am Christ's. (2) I thank you for remembering me in everything and following the traditions as I handed them down to you. (3) But I want you to know: Christ is the head of every man, the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ. (4) Any man who prays or prophesies with his head uncovered brings shame upon his head. (5) Likewise, any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered brings shame upon her head. It is the same as being bald. (6) If a woman does not want to cover herself, let her have her hair cut; but if it is shameful for a woman to cut or shave her hair, let her cover herself. (7) A man need not cover his head, for that is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man. (8) For the man is not from the woman, but the woman is from the man. (9) And the man was not created for the woman, but the woman for the man. (10) Therefore, the woman should have authority over her head because of the angels. (11) Yet in the Lord—neither is the woman without the man, nor the man without the woman! (12) For as the wife is to the husband, so is the husband to the wife; and all things are from God. (13) Judge for yourselves: is it right for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? (14) Does not nature itself teach us that it is a disgrace for a man to have long hair? (15) And it is a pride for a woman to have it, for her hair is given to her as a covering. (16) If anyone wants to argue about this, we have no such customs, nor does the Church of God. What kind of "profound wisdom" is hidden in this Bible verse?
---> the man is the woman's head,
---------------> Christ is the head of every man,
-------------------------> and God is the head of Christ.
See the hierarchy?
It’s establishing a twisted dynamic where the woman is placed far below the man. Or, at least, it's a "God-sanctioned" validation of the social status that existed back then.
The man is the image and glory of God (man is created in God's image) and shouldn't cover his exalted, God-near head, while the woman is merely the man's glory,
created for him rather than him for her. She has to cover her head out of shame, supposedly so the angels won't be tempted (?).
The woman is beneath the man, just as the man is beneath Lord Jesus-God—meaning she is infinitely lower! *****************
At the end, it says:
Even in the eyes of the Lord—there's no woman without a husband, and no husband without a wife! Because as a woman is to her husband, so too is the husband to his wife; it all comes from God.
It’s basically an argument for why men and women shouldn't be single, right? How does that "cancel out" the way women are being devalued in this whole passage?
It’s just some clever wordplay to muddy the waters so you don't notice how women are being shoved way down the hierarchy here.
"...and it all comes from God"That’s not a value judgment. Animals are "from God," too.
Are you really judging whether it's improper for a woman to pray to God naked? Not at all. It’s hardly a scandal. There's nothing wrong with it. 🤣
(14) Doesn't nature itself teach us that it's shameful for a man to grow his hair long? (15) What nonsense. Since when did "nature" decide men have to have short hair???
But for a woman, long hair is a point of pride because it serves as her veil. (16) So a woman gets hair instead of a veil? A pendant? Some women actually prefer short hair. Is that really such a huge sin or against nature?? 😕
If anyone wants to argue, we don't have those customs, nor does the Church of God.This whole section feels like one big argumentative spat. And how arrogant of the author to claim he isn't interested in arguing or even in God's churches. A real saint, right? Early Christian sects spent endless time bickering over their narrow-minded dogmas. Sure, they didn't have a habit of arguing. 😍
Here is a more detailed look at the Christian-biblical view of women:
(In the Quran, there's less theoretical degradation—though Arabic "scholars" put it together 500 years later—but it shows up much more in Muslim practice, which is pretty obvious to anyone watching a mosque.)
http://www.angelfire.com/scary/svetopismo/24.html