USA Japan 10.10.2010, Sun 08:00
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Honestly, we should be giving Alguersuar the pole position and handing Glock second place, while everyone else can just go jump in a lake if they think they deserve their spots...
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mistybear87 said:Cut him some slack, seriously... Alonso had a total dud of an engine in Monza, much like Schumacher dealt with that Suzuki situation. Even Steven and anyone else couldn't change the fact that the power dynamics for this season remained exactly what they were... ☕
mistybear87 said:😂😂😂😂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzlJaVm32nk 🙏Honestly, looking at the facts... he really lost 8th place there...🙏🙏
silvercobra68 said:In case nobody noticed, I am debating stormyviper11 here, trying to dismantle his theory that it goes Schumacher > Alonso > Kimi > Hamilton.
To all the rest of you jumping in with "but Hamilton is younger" or "Kimi was just unlucky with the car"—please, I'm asking nicely, just stay out of this discussion. I promised Sepi I wouldn't get insulting anymore, but even I have my limits. Please, do me and Sepi a favor and give us some space. Thanks. God bless!
silvercobra68 said:Let me disagree with you again, especially regarding Webber. You're saying Mark Webber has no brains? What do you mean by that? This season, he is perfectly demonstrating that he has both the brains and the speed, along with courage—not just bravado as you claim. Plus, he has the strongest mental game on the grid. Which driver could masterfully drive Silverstone after his team basically spat in his face? None. Mika Häkkinen was a composed driver with a strong head, but when things didn't go his way, he actually knew how to sit down and cry (like Monza '99). Webber doesn't sit there and cry; Webber breaks legs, gets back up, faces an entire team against him, and still wins races while fighting for a title. In terms of that kind of grit, only Piquet in '86 and '87 really compare—one win, one loss—just like Webber might if he takes it this year. Besides, he's the best of the five when it comes to damage control. Remember Alonso at Spa, when he should have been minimizing damage but instead spun out on his own (I'm not talking about the collision with Barrichello)? Or Silverstone—when he should have minimized damage, he inappropriately overtook Robert Kubica. If he wins the title, it will be because of Spa and Silverstone, not Turkey, Canada, or whatever else. In Canada, he lost two positions, but I'd rather lose two positions than have Lewis Hamilton run him over and both of them DNF. If he clinches it, it'll be thanks to Canada. As for Schumacher, whom you're citing as the best in this group, he's proving this year that the legend might be a myth. There aren't tires specially made for the German this year, no millions upon millions of kilometers of testing; in other words, the polished German is finally in the same pot as everyone else. There is no more preferential treatment. Under those conditions, even Barrichello might have won five titles—maybe six if he'd been the number one driver and someone like Fisichella was second. Get it? It's not about the completeness of the driver; it's about him driving in incomparably better conditions than the rest of the grid. So how can Alonso be worse than him? Tell me, how is Alonso worse than MS? Unless the criterion is just chronology. Alonso is the youngest world champion; he was winning back in 2003 when he was very green, and he wasn't any greener in 2005 when he masterfully drove his way to a title. Can Alonso's first title be compared to MS's first? Yes. Both drove for teams that had the second fastest car on the grid, both were clear number ones, and both faced opponents in cars that were technically faster but plagued by issues. And look how it ended. Alonso's title was as clean as it gets; MS's was as murky as it gets. I'm not talking about the controversial driving standards or nonsense; I'm talking about on-track behavior. Like at Silverstone, why on earth overtake during a pace lap? We haven't seen the full extent of Alonso's Ferrari stint yet, but in 2010, the Ferrari is the second fastest car, just like it was in 1996. So even 2010 is comparable. MS won three times in '96, but Alonso has already won four, and MS wasn't even in the title fight. Honestly, stormyviper11, you've still got plenty of time until 2020, right? Besides, even in wins, he's better: MS started his Ferrari stint with 19 wins, while Alonso is at 21. Two more wins! It's small, but it counts. Look, my friend, it's not all black and it's not all white. Light comes from different angles; sometimes gray looks black, and sometimes gray looks white. Sometimes, in heavy fog, you can't even tell what colors we're talking about—unless, of course, you're Nebelmeister. I'm waiting for the story about Nebelmeister who froze the sun. When is it coming? Give me something; I know a little about Nebelmeister, so I'd love for him to write something for a change, since Monteverdi isn't showing up.
stormybadger8 said:So basically, three out of your five favorites are the same as mine.👍
I don't know, none of this makes sense to me. You've got the McLaren camp—meaning Hamilton—the Ferrari camp, then the Alonso camp (which logically should be the same thing, though I doubt it), plus a lost Seb over at Williams, myself, and obviously Phil and his obsession with MSC. That's pretty much the whole lineup.
But now I really don't get how you guys claim to be neutral.😕
When I defend Vettel during the Webber-Vettel Turkey situation, suddenly Vettel is the undisputed villain and Webber is the hero, and I'm clearly being totally biased.
But when everyone starts squawking about how Webber is an idiot and Hamilton is just some poor collateral damage from crazy Webber, then that's perfectly fine, right?😕
Look, the reason I didn't even argue about it is because it's been obvious for a long time that there's zero point in debating it. Honestly, I just don't have the energy anymore.☕
Joseph Young57 said:Honestly, I haven't even been following this stuff seriously since Kimi left Formula 1.😉