Posts by Matthew Anderson4

Aha, there you are. No clue.
Isn't that semantic stuff just totally irrelevant to the point?

Amanda Evans2 said:Did you just conflate the cause with the trigger, or am I simply not "intellectual" enough to grasp how you've managed to blur those two worlds together?

Where?

Noah Carter24 said:You're right there, but this constant habit you have of playing everything down and trying to make them seem equal just doesn't fly in today's world. Look, it's a million times more likely you'll get taken out by a runaway train than by Christian terrorism, whereas when it comes to Islamic extremism, you can't exactly say the same thing—it represents a very real, tangible threat. Let's leave the deep dives into history to the actual historians.

P.S. Just looking around, how many Christian groups versus Muslim groups do you see hanging out here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...us_governments

History is the teacher of life. Thought we were all on the same page there.

Amanda Evans2 said:I honestly cannot wrap my head around why this handful of self-proclaimed intellectuals feels the need to dig up bloody historical grievances just to justify something like this.
I mean, if I were to go out on December 5th and massacre 120 people at a Bruce Springsteen concert in Madison Square Garden, would I really be entitled to an apology based on the fact that I’m "traumatized" because my home state was hit by a war twenty years ago?
Trying to find excuses for violence, while simultaneously trying to lecture us uneducated masses on how beautiful and wonderful Islam is—usually by using those French flag emojis on their Facebook profiles—is quite possibly the most sanctimonious level of nonsense I've ever encountered...

cause = excuse?

Funny how the debate hasn't even moved past one of the causes, mostly because some group of pseudo-intellectuals decided that one single cause is somehow the only cause.

Robert Torres said:The Middle East used to be the absolute heart of civilization. It was where everything kicked off, the place where humanity finally grabbed the tools needed to climb out of the stone age... All along those historic lands sat the most stunning cities of the ancient world, famous for their incredible architecture, the first paved streets, massive monuments, and advanced water systems. It was the birthplace of the first libraries—actual places where knowledge was kept safe so it wouldn't just vanish into thin air.
In the lavish courts of ancient rulers, chemists, mathematicians, and philosophers worked to crack the secrets of the universe, and their breakthroughs often became the foundation for Western scholars centuries later. That old Persian Empire was even one of the first to push the idea of multiculturalism, letting conquered people worship whoever they wanted as long as they paid their taxes to the Emperor. This region was basically the fountainhead of everything advanced and noble. And then Islam hit.

Suddenly, that whole civilization collapsed right back to where it started. Where there used to be progress, there was just devastation. Not to give foreign invaders a pass, obviously, but they definitely played their part in the wreckage.

Any organized religion is potentially toxic, at the very least. But none of them—not even close—have consistently fought against the things we claim to value, like equality, the pursuit of knowledge, and actual progress, quite like Islam does (or at least, the mainstream hardcore version of it).

Plus you've got the fall of Rome hitting right around when Islam emerges. We spent the next thousand years stuck in the Dark Ages while they were having a total Golden Age over in the Middle East.

Sandra Johnson58 said:It makes total sense why terrorists wouldn't head to China or Burma. If they got caught there, even just being suspected of terrorism would make them wish they had actually pulled off the attack instead 🤣. The kind of torture they’d face, whether they were guilty or not... Westerners couldn't even imagine it. Also, it's kinda wild how ISIS doesn't seem to be targeting Israel, considering they're supposedly the biggest enemies of Muslims. Actually, I guess it's not that weird. If they pulled the same crap in Israel that they did in Paris, it’d trigger an immediate "Wrath of God" response, and Rakka would probably be a giant crater by now 🤣

Guess Israel just has too much control over that area. Can't slip past their intel services easy enough.

Muslims have discipline. That’s the thing. They're ready to go all out. Not too long ago, even the Japanese were built like that. And that Japanese discipline? It's legendary. Honestly, they used to be way more intense than these modern radicals. These people still carry that warrior spirit—it’s just been a few centuries and a couple of revolutions since then, as they say.

Is it skin color or religion?

Noah Carter24 said:And what makes you so sure they can just stroll right in through official channels? What, were you there traveling with them or something?

And who’s gonna stop them?

Racism?

Emily Ward3 said:You’re just being difficult for the sake of it. You know exactly what I’m getting at here, and instead of nitpicking these irrelevant details, you should really focus on the actual issue at hand. It doesn't bother me that you're playing protector for certain people against folks like me—call us whatever you want—but what really grates is that you didn't spend a single syllable condemning yesterday's events. Instead, you immediately dug your heels in, ready to waste hours arguing about how Americans or anyone else is actually to blame. Go ahead and let the folks over in France know. And if it's even possible, give Mr. Thompson4's wife a call.

So, who is actually to blame here? Is it me, is it America, or is it those folks looking to replicate this exact same scenario over in Europe? It’s like watching a house divided against itself; they are essentially tearing each other apart because one group insists on following the Quran to the letter while the others reject it entirely. And honestly, tell me—who actually comes out on top in a conflict like that? Is it the moderates or the radicals? It’s a bit like watching six different factions of a single organization go to war with one another; why should I lose any sleep over it? All this religious fanaticism we see on the news stems from that one single book, which every person seems to interpret through their own unique lens. No one else is at fault for that.

Here comes the classic playbook. You say one thing regarding Islam after a massacre of over 140 people, and suddenly you’re labeled a bigot who wants to build concentration camps. Immediately, someone brings up Hitler; immediately, you're branded as a hater just because you don't align with the crowd. Let's skip the melodrama and the personal attacks—they really don't hold any water.

I'm genuinely curious when these camps will actually start appearing. I suppose the far-right extremists across the US are already working on it, and you, the saintly Matthew Anderson4, will surely raise your voice to stop such an injustice.

Well, that is certainly twisted, yes. Definitely. But that lunatic acted alone; this wasn't a coordinated strike hitting five locations simultaneously. Secondly, this happened once compared to 10,000 religious attacks. We deal with attacks carried out in the name of Allah every single day, and we have since the very beginning. It seems as though someone is offended by a caricature, others dare to be gay, some dare to believe in Jesus, others offend Muhammad by visiting a theater, and some simply dare to breathe.

Do you truly not understand me, or are you just choosing not to? I am not taking the side of Americans, nor am I defending them. I recognize that they stirred the pot and that this whole situation serves their interests—otherwise, everything would have vanished in three hours—but I don't think we need to spin every terrorist attack into a narrative of "they are oppressed, so America is to blame." That isn't grounded in reality. Their radical beliefs existed long before Americans saw a way to exploit them.

Sure, the whole of Europe is tied to France.

Your issue might not be mine, but I’ve got my own concerns. You can't really know which backwoods corners of the world I visit or why I’m specifically worried—and believe me, there’s a reason for it. Save those "they won't come for us" fairy tales for the politicians in D.C.

So, what you're saying is Islam is this wonderful religion that treats men and women as equals, calls for peace without slaughtering non-believers, embraces homosexuality, and hates pedophilia? Sounds absolutely lovely; let me know where I can sign up.

Who’s an Islamist? Still haven't a clue. You accused me of defending Islamists, so maybe enlighten me—who are they?

And I haven't moved away from the issue one inch. Part of the issue is shifting the blame onto millions of innocent people. There's actually a word for that: Islamophobia. Think of it like this: a few kids in a 7th-grade class act out, so you ban the whole damn class from going on the field trip. Besides the troublemakers, their parents, and their teachers, is little Susie in the third row by the window really to blame too?

Emily Ward3 said:You’re just being difficult for the sake of it. You know exactly what I’m getting at here, and instead of nitpicking these irrelevant details, you should really focus on the actual issue at hand. It doesn't bother me that you're playing protector for certain people against folks like me—call us whatever you want—but what really grates is that you didn't spend a single syllable condemning yesterday's events. Instead, you immediately dug your heels in, ready to waste hours arguing about how Americans or anyone else is actually to blame. Go ahead and let the folks over in France know. And if it's even possible, give Mr. Thompson4's wife a call.

So, who is actually to blame here? Is it me, is it America, or is it those folks looking to replicate this exact same scenario over in Europe? It’s like watching a house divided against itself; they are essentially tearing each other apart because one group insists on following the Quran to the letter while the others reject it entirely. And honestly, tell me—who actually comes out on top in a conflict like that? Is it the moderates or the radicals? It’s a bit like watching six different factions of a single organization go to war with one another; why should I lose any sleep over it? All this religious fanaticism we see on the news stems from that one single book, which every person seems to interpret through their own unique lens. No one else is at fault for that.

Here comes the classic playbook. You say one thing regarding Islam after a massacre of over 140 people, and suddenly you’re labeled a bigot who wants to build concentration camps. Immediately, someone brings up Hitler; immediately, you're branded as a hater just because you don't align with the crowd. Let's skip the melodrama and the personal attacks—they really don't hold any water.

I'm genuinely curious when these camps will actually start appearing. I suppose the far-right extremists across the US are already working on it, and you, the saintly Matthew Anderson4, will surely raise your voice to stop such an injustice.

Well, that is certainly twisted, yes. Definitely. But that lunatic acted alone; this wasn't a coordinated strike hitting five locations simultaneously. Secondly, this happened once compared to 10,000 religious attacks. We deal with attacks carried out in the name of Allah every single day, and we have since the very beginning. It seems as though someone is offended by a caricature, others dare to be gay, some dare to believe in Jesus, others offend Muhammad by visiting a theater, and some simply dare to breathe.

Do you truly not understand me, or are you just choosing not to? I am not taking the side of Americans, nor am I defending them. I recognize that they stirred the pot and that this whole situation serves their interests—otherwise, everything would have vanished in three hours—but I don't think we need to spin every terrorist attack into a narrative of "they are oppressed, so America is to blame." That isn't grounded in reality. Their radical beliefs existed long before Americans saw a way to exploit them.

Sure, the whole of Europe is tied to France.

Your issue might not be mine, but I’ve got my own concerns. You can't really know which backwoods corners of the world I visit or why I’m specifically worried—and believe me, there’s a reason for it. Save those "they won't come for us" fairy tales for the politicians in D.C.

So, what you're saying is Islam is this wonderful religion that treats men and women as equals, calls for peace without slaughtering non-believers, embraces homosexuality, and hates pedophilia? Sounds absolutely lovely; let me know where I can sign up.

Who are these "they" killing each other? Aren't millions of "them" crossing the ocean in boats just to escape that exact violence? And that attack in Lebanon was carried out by ISIS, in case you were wondering. Same ISIS that hit Paris. Are they killing each other in Paris too? Why don't you use that kind of language for Paris when it's the exact same situation? Just because Paris isn't Muslim or Arabic?

And what do you mean "all" this fanaticism? There are 1.5 billion Muslims on Earth. You think they're all killing each other? You're just an Islamophobe.

Emily Ward3 said:You’re just being difficult for the sake of it. You know exactly what I’m getting at here, and instead of nitpicking these irrelevant details, you should really focus on the actual issue at hand. It doesn't bother me that you're playing protector for certain people against folks like me—call us whatever you want—but what really grates is that you didn't spend a single syllable condemning yesterday's events. Instead, you immediately dug your heels in, ready to waste hours arguing about how Americans or anyone else is actually to blame. Go ahead and let the folks over in France know. And if it's even possible, give Mr. Thompson4's wife a call.

So, who is actually to blame here? Is it me, is it America, or is it those folks looking to replicate this exact same scenario over in Europe? It’s like watching a house divided against itself; they are essentially tearing each other apart because one group insists on following the Quran to the letter while the others reject it entirely. And honestly, tell me—who actually comes out on top in a conflict like that? Is it the moderates or the radicals? It’s a bit like watching six different factions of a single organization go to war with one another; why should I lose any sleep over it? All this religious fanaticism we see on the news stems from that one single book, which every person seems to interpret through their own unique lens. No one else is at fault for that.

Here comes the classic playbook. You say one thing regarding Islam after a massacre of over 140 people, and suddenly you’re labeled a bigot who wants to build concentration camps. Immediately, someone brings up Hitler; immediately, you're branded as a hater just because you don't align with the crowd. Let's skip the melodrama and the personal attacks—they really don't hold any water.

I'm genuinely curious when these camps will actually start appearing. I suppose the far-right extremists across the US are already working on it, and you, the saintly Matthew Anderson4, will surely raise your voice to stop such an injustice.

Well, that is certainly twisted, yes. Definitely. But that lunatic acted alone; this wasn't a coordinated strike hitting five locations simultaneously. Secondly, this happened once compared to 10,000 religious attacks. We deal with attacks carried out in the name of Allah every single day, and we have since the very beginning. It seems as though someone is offended by a caricature, others dare to be gay, some dare to believe in Jesus, others offend Muhammad by visiting a theater, and some simply dare to breathe.

Do you truly not understand me, or are you just choosing not to? I am not taking the side of Americans, nor am I defending them. I recognize that they stirred the pot and that this whole situation serves their interests—otherwise, everything would have vanished in three hours—but I don't think we need to spin every terrorist attack into a narrative of "they are oppressed, so America is to blame." That isn't grounded in reality. Their radical beliefs existed long before Americans saw a way to exploit them.

Sure, the whole of Europe is tied to France.

Your issue might not be mine, but I’ve got my own concerns. You can't really know which backwoods corners of the world I visit or why I’m specifically worried—and believe me, there’s a reason for it. Save those "they won't come for us" fairy tales for the politicians in D.C.

So, what you're saying is Islam is this wonderful religion that treats men and women as equals, calls for peace without slaughtering non-believers, embraces homosexuality, and hates pedophilia? Sounds absolutely lovely; let me know where I can sign up.

Sam Thomas3 said radical Islam is basically the only version left, and he wasn't being soft about it—he was calling it a massive, absolute disaster. Did I jump the gun assuming he hates the religion? Wasn't trying to attack him, just giving a heads-up because the world is circling the drain again. Pretty sure even he sees it.

Emily Ward3 said:Why is it that every single one of you defending these Islamists always drags America into the conversation? Look, I couldn't care less about the Gulf War. Just like I don't care about Pakistan or Libya. Those wars aren't mine, and honestly, I don't see why we have to force America into the spotlight every time this topic comes up.

If you’re planning to try and "open my eyes" by claiming this is all just some organized plot by a secret agency somewhere, let me save you the trouble right now. At the end of the day, it all circles back to Islam—a religion that simply doesn't belong in a civilized society, acting as a magnet for backward fanatics. That is what interests me, not who America was fighting when I was three years old.

My apologies, I thought you understood that a crime committed during a direct military conflict isn't the same as sitting in a diner after a long work week only to have some maniac start shooting at you because his imaginary friend told him to.

In the spirit of the freedom I enjoy as a citizen of a developed nation, I defend Islam as a choice of faith and Muslims as people. I'm not sure exactly who you mean by "Islamist," but since you used that term instead of "Muslim," I'll assume you're talking about bad people of the Muslim faith. I'm not defending them.

And Paris isn't yours either, so you're irrelevant to this debate...

And no, I wasn't planning on opening your eyes with stories about secret agencies behind this (honestly, first time I've heard that theory and it doesn't sound all that convincing). My goal was to point out that this isn't a war between the West and Islam, but between the West and evil. Evil that yesterday in Lebanon cost at least 43 lives. Evil that you call "Islam," which our developed, significant world has barely scratched compared to what it's done to Islamic countries and the Muslims living there.
The number of non-Muslims killed by Muslim terrorists is tiny compared to the number of Muslims killed. From that perspective, you could actually thank the terrorists for their work, since nobody does more than them to eradicate Muslims and Islam.
I know you don't care about context or the causes behind these events, but people need to understand them instead of just hating Islam and Muslims. Because if another war breaks out, some of us will need to speak up when Muslims start being herded into concentration camps. You get it? You realize how Americans & co. brainwashed half the world, just like Hitler did to his people?

And if I'm lying on a lawn on a nice summer day and some maniac starts shooting at me just because he can... what's the difference?
Except that the Western world didn't support and fund him for decades, didn't kill a million of his people while he was still in diapers, and he lacks the infrastructure and organization that allows the West to spend all its time hanging out with equally sick and/or evil people.

mellowotter36 said:Oh, really? 😁 Did someone sell them out?

And how are they supposed to prove they're refugees if they don't have Syrian documents handy?

Nobody's even asked them yet...

Emily Ward3 said:Look, I just laid it out for you: there is a massive distinction between committing a crime for personal gain and committing one in the name of some deity.

It’s like comparing a common thief to a fanatic; I also pointed out the root cause—radical Islam, which is essentially the only true version of it.

Not really. You didn't actually explain the difference between those two crimes. Show me the receipts.

Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya... Americans were over there—with our blessing—to deal with radical Islam? Russians too? All of it just because of radical Islam?

mellowotter36 said:View on twitter

BREAKING: Police officials: Syrian passport found on body of 1 suicide bomber at a stadium in New York City.

We still don't know for sure. Could he have flown in? Maybe he used a rental car or a private vehicle? Or perhaps he's just an American citizen using a fake passport? Who knows?

Refugees showing up with zero ID. 😉

Emily Ward3 said:In whose name? 🙂

The constant moralizing really gets under my skin, and frankly, it’s obvious what’s happening here. It is one thing when random acts of violence occur daily—that’s just the nature of life—but it is quite another when you have an organized movement that you essentially invited onto your own doorstep, fully aware of their agenda. This isn't some social experiment designed to make the average citizen turn against immigrants, nor did this happen by accident. This pattern will play out across all of America, much like what we've seen in areas where radical extremists hold significant sway. In a few years, we might even find ourselves seeing this drama unfold at Madison Square Garden; you can never tell. We have always strived to be a beautiful, liberal West.

Their own.

So, what's actually causing it?

Robin Fox2 said:Of course they aren't. Those were established by people who have been living in France for thirty years already...

but I find it fascinating that all these new refugees seem to be doctors and lawyers, so there's really zero risk that in a few years they won't have reached that same level...

Yeah, probably just the folks who've been settled in France for three decades.
Or rather, about ten people who've been there for 30 years.
Ten.

In X years, a handful of kids in Berlin with Syrian roots will pull some nonsense.

And in the meantime, from now until then, way too many people across the continent are gonna get killed by purebred Europeans.

People everywhere kill each other over this or that, but it's always for the same reason—and it's not religion, culture, or race.

Not sure if those refugees pulled this off tonight.

lol

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