Terry Carter2 said:For now, yes. Like I told you, I have no desire to step on the toes of the moderators or management. Even if I wanted to, I have zero motivation to rush into deleting points or anything of the sort...
Try to stop looking at this solely from the perspective of someone without clones. Just imagine for a second that you were the one sitting in the accused's chair.
Picture this: you rack up a mountain of points, you're leading the championship, and then suddenly you get hit with a ban—maybe even a permanent one—that you claim is completely unjustified. Then, some self-righteous bystander steps up and insists you need to be disqualified immediately. The manager actually goes ahead and does it, having no clue that you’ll eventually prove to the moderation team that the ban was a mistake, allowing you to rejoin the fray.
Ten days later, you show up back in the competition and say, "Hey, I'm playing again, why on earth would I be disqualified?" (I assume you follow my logic here)
Then that same "righteous" guy pipes up, saying, "Well, yeah, why wouldn't they let him back in!" and so on...
Meanwhile, I'm the manager sitting here all night long, typing, calculating, deleting, recalculating, and typing more, just going in circles. Look, I shouldn't have to kill myself just for the sake of the Formula One World Championship.
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Look... and your whole thing about handing out penalties (not even debating if they're fair) on the championship thread is mixing administrative roles with moderating if that's how you see it... but honestly, talking about "what ifs" is pointless... what if you weren't a mod or whatever... the fact is, you *are* a mod, you caught the cheating, and instead of using your position to protect the integrity of the competition, you're making things complicated by validating Joker predictions for guys you know are just clones...
If you think a cheater can prove to the admins they aren't using clones, just set a 7-10 day window for them to do it. Don't publish the official results until that period is up. We can post provisional results for Malaysia with a note saying they might be adjusted due to certain reasons. It's much easier to wait ten days for the final standings than to deal with the fallout later when we realize clones were stealing points from people who actually earned them.
Also, it's useless to speculate about what would happen if this was discovered halfway through the season while someone is leading the pack... the reality is we caught it right at the start. This is actually a good thing—we caught it right after the first race, so we can nip it in the bud, disqualify the clones, adjust the results for Australia, and head into the second race with a clean slate.
I get that as the organizer, you have to deal with the headache of deleting and correcting everything... I used to run things too, so I know it's a grind... but I'd much rather redo the math five times than let someone make a fool out of me by running a competition filled with clones... cloning is the toughest kind of cheating there is, and I really don't think there should be any mercy or pity for anyone who chooses to go that route...
As for the copying issue... I voted against changing anything, not because the current rule is perfect, but because it doesn't *need* to change for the competition to work better. I feel the same way about changing the scoring system; there's zero justification for changing it mid-season if it's been working fine for three years, especially if the only reason to change it is because certain individuals had bad luck. 🤦 That whole mess reminds me so much of that first race back in 2009 when they were also only counting drivers in the exact positions...🤣