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Ferrari looking at an effortless 1-2 finish tomorrow ☕

Who on earth is this Habulin guy?

stormybadger8 said:Interesting stuff. Across 88 NASCAR races, Lewis Hamilton was involved in 37 total incidents.😳

I didn't check every single one they listed, but I counted 37 races in this table. That is definitely a massive number.😲

What an absolute theft by that racing news site. Keith from f1fanatica wrote the entire text and did all the analysis, and these hacks just ripped it off.

I'll reach out to Keith and let him know this is happening. It isn't the first time, and frankly, the laziness and lack of ethics here is infuriating.

Stay far away from that site.

Roger Wright94 said:This marks the sixth incident involving these two this season.
It’s only fair that Massa gets penalized at least once too.

In my view, both drivers completely botched the situation. They could have easily played it more conservatively and both made it through.
Ultimately, when you look at the fallout, Lewis Hamilton is the one who lost out; he needed those points more than anyone.

Like I said, there was an opening to penalize Massa, and they took it.

As for the loss, neither driver should care about a single point right now—it’s practically irrelevant at this stage of the season.

Bring on the seventh incident.

stormybadger8 said:All five points are true and they definitely hold up, but you can clearly see in the footage that Felipe Massa looks over at him several times and heads straight toward him anyway, knowing a collision is coming.

I think that’s the main reason for the penalty.

The only catch is that if he actually intended to do it, he executed it miserably. If his goal was to ram him, he should have done it in a way that sent Lewis Hamilton off the track or took them both out, rather than just failing and being the only one to lose out.

Take a Button style move, for example. 🙂
That would have been an appropriate response to Hamilton's stupidity.

Felipe Massa knew Hamilton was there, that part is accurate, but he stayed on his racing line assuming Hamilton would back off.

I don't think Felipe Massa intentionally rammed him to cause a crash; he probably just thought, "Forget this, I'm going for it." Hamilton obviously didn't back off, and they collided.

The stewards penalized Felipe Massa simply because it was obvious he knew where the other guy was, and then a racing incident occurred—one where Hamilton shouldn't have been penalized—so they hit Massa just to show they aren't playing favorites with the driver they're protecting.

Felipe Massa didn't leave enough room, but that has NEVER, ever been grounds for a penalty before.

This was a pure racing incident where both drivers share the blame, and absolutely nobody should have been penalized.

It's laughable to me that when Hamilton messed up again, they punished the other guy just because Hamilton wasn't the sole culprit.

Pathetic.

stormybadger8 said:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95863

Interesting enough, Mark Webber thinks Massu shouldn't have been penalized.

Looking at the actual incident, I agree—he shouldn't have been. It just happens to look like Mass was intentionally closing the door to force a crash, even if Lewis Hamilton drove in there like an absolute idiot.🤷

Mass was on his racing line. How is that "closing the door"? Hamilton charged in like a maniac, Mass didn't budge, and they collided.

Why should Mass have moved? Hamilton didn't even get halfway alongside him. Who does Hamilton think he is, thinking everyone else on the track has to move out of his way?

Hamilton is a racer, sure, but this isn't a video game. He drives like he's still in a go-kart. The guy has never actually matured enough for an F1 car.

The tragic part is that his rookie season was actually his best. Since then, it's been a steady decline. What he's shown lately is more suited for NASCAR. That’s the plain truth, and it's pretty pathetic for someone who acts like he's the greatest driver alive.

William Bennett53 said:Watching the race, I wanted to share another impression: as a kid, I was obsessed with pro-wrestling and loved those ridiculous feuds that felt more like a daytime soap opera. Unbelievably, this recent collision between Massa and Hamilton reminded me of exactly that. It wasn’t just the fact that they’ve collided six times now; it’s the follow-up statements and the constant finger-pointing. Yesterday, Felipe didn't just refuse to entertain the idea that he might have messed up; he straight up claimed Hamilton is responsible for every single collision they've had. Even Hulk Hogan would find that dramatic. 😁

This looks like child's play compared to the driver rivalries we saw back in the 80s and early 90s.

This is milk and honey... nothing happens until people actually start throwing punches.

This is exactly why part of the fanbase—the older crowd—complains about modern F1. They feel the drivers lack character. If someone actually speaks their mind today, they’re immediately labeled a crybaby. It seems younger fans today prefer "nice guys" and introverted alcoholics.

I wouldn't even want to get into a debate about why that is.

Jason Campbell70 said:Then why wasn't Mark turned into a monster too? 😁

They give him a Red Bull 😁

The track was a letdown, the race was a total snooze, and Red Bull is basically turning Sebastian Vettel into a monster....

Roger Wright94 said:I wasn't going to bring this up, but those idiots in the pit box absolutely botched things for Alonso in South Korea.
First off, while they were sitting there waiting an eternity for a strategy change, Jenson Button didn't just blow past them by five or six seconds—even Michael Schumacher cleared them. Total morons. If Alonso had gone in for tires a couple of laps earlier, where would he be right now?

Second, what on earth was Massa doing racing ahead of Alonso? Look, it’s fine occasionally, but only as a rare exception. A blind horse could see that Felipe is a class below him. And how much did that stupidity cost? At the very least, we could have had a much more exciting finish, and Alonso might have actually snagged a podium.
When will they finally learn?

It’s clearly not a priority for the championship anymore. They don't want to burn out Felipe further just so the poor kid doesn't lose all hope entirely. In one sense, it's understandable; in another... well...

darkmarlin16 said:Glad you brought that up; I almost missed it. 🙂

🙂

Nobody has actually shared their expectations for the race yet.🙄
My prediction? I hope they break the DRS system so we can finally get an actual, normal race.☕

And you and your obsession with DRS... it isn't even about the DRS.

Michael Lee4 said:Well, looks like South Korea handled their own transport, so that’s one less headache to deal with. Doesn't really matter, though—I'm swapping both out for Turkey anyway. ☕

Absolutely. There's zero reason for them to haul even a single lap out of here.

I suspect the track will actually be an improvement over South Korea. Those guys really did a number on us with that overtake.

I honestly have to wonder why these investors—and we’re talking about massive, multi-million dollar sums here—don't bother asking one simple question before breaking ground: Is this track actually going to be any good? Or more importantly, will anyone even care enough to show up?

Abu Dhabi. Pushing.
South Korea—pure aggression.
Bahrain. Aggressive driving. Or just poor defending? Hard to tell the difference lately.
China—aggressive overtaking.

Good grief, they burned through over a billion dollars just to end up with absolutely nothing. Not even a consolation prize—just a complete and total waste of money.

mistybear87 said:That’s true, though since DRS is only really an option on the straights, Alonso can still find a way to pull alongside by catching that sweet slipstream...

Either way, neither move is particularly easy to pull off.🙂

But that’s exactly the point. It adds another layer to the tactical battles on track.

I'm fine with it.

mistybear87 said:Not that I'm aware of. But hey, maybe I've got it wrong—if you happen to have some reliable info on this, would you mind sharing the link with us? 😉

Look, silvergull10, that’s technically how the rulebook is written, but we've seen way too many instances this season where DRS was being triggered just to overtake slower cars.

mistybear87 said:Actually, no, the detection system is supposed to differentiate between drivers battling for position and those being lapped. The entire DRS system operates based on the live timing, which then "unlocks" DRS for specific drivers. In this instance, it looks like the software simply misread the situation, and that's where the issue lies.

DRS actually triggers for cars being lapped too.

Otherwise, the DRS setup at this track was spot on—exactly how it should be. I’m fundamentally against this whole "push to pass" style of system, but given the current aerodynamic landscape, it's a necessary evil. I actually think the FIA hit the right balance here.

Without DRS, Sebastian Vettel wouldn't have stood a theoretical chance of attacking Fernando Alonso. If Red Bull had just let them race through to the end, we would have seen a fantastic battle.

Michael Lee4 said:I get it, I really do... I was just replying to stormybadger8 regarding those stories about Jenson being the lead driver and how they pushed Hamilton out of McLaren.🙂

Regardless, even if everyone labeled Jenson the number one driver and he didn't have that trophy under his belt, nothing changes. Who could actually catch those aliens? 14 races, 9 wins, 13 podiums. His worst result was 4th. Let's be real.🤣 If he doesn't crash one of them out before the finish, nobody stands a chance of passing him; they'd have to screw up big time to even get close.😁

Sure, but if Jenson's McLaren had been more reliable, and if Jenson himself hadn't made those strategy blunders, the pressure on Vettel would have been significantly higher. Vettel hasn't really felt much heat from the rest of the field this season. It's interesting to think how Red Bull might have reacted, and how Vettel himself would have handled it.

Unfortunately, everything this year just fell perfectly into place for Seb. Add to that how phenomenal he was with tire management—probably the best on the entire grid—and what happened was exactly what Clark described: the perfect symbiosis between driver and car. The Holy Grail of Formula 1.

On top of that, McLaren and Ferrari were busy taking points off each other. If you want to find the person most responsible for Seb's title (besides himself), it's probably Alonso. He managed to mess with McLaren's rhythm using the slowest car in the top three, and McLaren only made things worse with their idiotic mistakes and unexpected reliability issues.

That's how the season wrapped up, but I'm certain Red Bull won't be quite this dominant next year.

The one silver lining here is that for two seasons running now—this one being a bit less obvious—we have three teams capable of winning. That means six drivers who can actually go wheel-to-wheel on track.

For me, this season has been great. It met all my expectations, except for one thing, but hey, you can't win them all.

Michael Lee4 said:Man... what I meant was that Mark Webber could have snatched that title right then and there, instead of us having to sit around waiting until the final race to see if everything falls into place for Vettel to grab it.

True, but Dietrich didn't see it going down that way... and he’s still pulling the strings behind the scenes, something Mark knows all too well.

stormybadger8 said:The only reason we ever move past names like Hamilton, Schumacher, and Webber is because some part of the operation absolutely screwed up.

Honestly, F1 is a joke these days. There’s zero action on the track unless someone completely screws up—you know, like a classic Webber start, one of Schumacher's qualifying disasters, or Hamilton just doing his usual thing with starts and overtakes.

Look, if McLaren, Mercedes, or Red Bull end up sitting outside the top ten, it’s totally obvious why there'd be a massive amount of overtaking. It’s simple math. Those big teams can easily slice through the field to pass Williams, Sauber, Renault, RB, or Haas. But when they're fighting each other? That’s where things actually get difficult.😳

Basically, if you're looking for actual drama, you might as well just flip all of F1 upside down.🙂
Those qualifying tires are basically disposable. They're lightning fast for exactly two laps, then they're completely shot.

Points system (race): 100-80-60-50-40-30-20-10-5-1
Here’s how the qualifying points would look under this system: 100-80-60-50-40-30-20-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1.

The race itself starts with a reversed grid, meaning whoever grabbed the last pole position spot starts at the front and works their way back.☕

It’s going to be a total circus. Guaranteed.☕

And don't forget the water cannons spraying along the track...

darkmarlin16 said:insanely

One of the absolute legends of Formula 1, Michael Schumacher managed to walk away from a massive wreck right in the middle of the Singapore Grand Prix.

I mean, come on, it's not like he was supposed to die there 🙄

Classic journalistic sensationalism. Just chasing clicks...

All things considered, it was an interesting race, even if some people are acting like total cowards about it...

It’s a bit irritating seeing Vettel driving a car that lets him overtake on the grass and gain 10 seconds in just five laps, but I guess that’s just how it goes; even luck like that can't last forever.

The biggest disappointment of the season has to be Lewis Hamilton. This is easily his worst performance since he joined Formula 1—way worse than that year he took the title, and he wasn't even driving particularly well back then.

Button is a breath of fresh air. If he had Lewis Hamilton's raw pace today, he'd be right there fighting for the podium, but you can't have everything.

Now we can finally settle in for 2012. This season felt like it ended before it even started; we barely finished the first race and now we're stuck watching the last five in basically highlight reel mode.

The last hope for any actual excitement is Lewis Hamilton. He’s basically performing like a circus monkey on a tricycle at this point—still a likable guy, though.