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Jerry Morris2 said:It’s completely pointless to debate anything here when you don't even know who's poking at you from the other side... Is it some bottom-feeder who was never even part of the inner circle, or just some twenty-year-old kid brainwashed by whatever ideology his group's current leadership is pushing? Whatever group that may be.
The truth is, there have been mistakes on both sides, and there will be more. The supporter movement isn't exactly pure as driven snow—not how the younger generation probably sees it. I get that you guys have your politics, but they have theirs too. That doesn't mean anyone on your side is wrong; it just means there might be different ways and specific tactics for fighting.
Sometimes I feel targeted myself, getting attacked on this forum because of a message my group posted, but then I remember everything we've gone through versus what they've endured. You can't put those two things in the same sentence. Those are facts; everything else is just propaganda. Every single one of our people, from the kids leading the charge to the rookies just starting out, has had their sense of belonging to the club damaged because the team here has been a victim for so long of a populist, kleptocratic clique that worked hand-in-hand with their own clique until they finally cut ties. Those kids lived in the dark for years; they were supporters without any of the perks. They got hauled in by the cops for every little thing just to make them hate the fan life, all while their enemies grew comfortably, thinking about grabbing coffee on the Waterfront with girls or sipping bottles of wine at Matej while worrying about lighting a flare against Cleveland tomorrow... or how they'll attack a group of New York City kids because their own crew is practically extinct (I don't blame them for that, that's just how it goes). Beyond that, it's obvious in America which of our two groups commands more respect from rivals. Even on a small stage like this, it's crystal clear. It's also obvious how that cup in 2013 was celebrated when it was blatantly clear who handed it to them. It's obvious you guys were taking vouchers for years while we were barely scraping by. It's obvious you wrote messages attacking our struggle, saying stuff like we're just wandering aimlessly, while they were actually shooting at our kids. It's obvious you used a joint protest to mock us in New York City and pose for photos acting like some high-society crowd... it's obvious that if things had gone the other way, it would've been a total disaster... Everything is clear as day. Only an idiot could forget that, or someone who thinks it's in both our interests to raise a healthy scene. But that was never in your interest, because you've always looked down on everyone else, even though you really have no foundation at all except for a bunch of bottom-feeders who, if Jerry Jones were yours, would write his name and works in gold letters in Hajduk's history. It's all normal. Fan taunting is just a basic part of the whole thing; I'm not going to change some moron's mind, nor is that the point of this post. There's no sense arguing with a group that hasn't given nearly anything toward a common goal, yet wants to lecture you on everything.
Alright, fair enough, you have one opinion, I have another.
I'm not in the thick of it anymore, and even back when I was, I didn't write much. I always try to be objective as much as someone can from their own subjective angle. Since I see you're (actually) an okay guy, just one question, or rather a statement—if you want to answer, do you agree with it or not? If not, please explain.
I get it all, even the jabs regarding our Hajduk, although you could argue whether that's fan behavior or something else, but to post a message with the name "Jerry Jones" on a grandstand that, let's be honest, fought so hard against him. On a grandstand where the second tier of the crew sits, or parts of the first tier (the non-corrupt part), they're three times more worthy than that mercenary leadership. On a grandstand where people were actually shot for him.
So, what’s my actual point here... don't you think we're headed for another round where we have to drag these crybabies out by their hair? Does it smell like another era of mismanagement to you?
My take is simple: all the dirty laundry is going to come crashing out soon enough, and it looks to me like certain people have lost their way yet again.
THE REAL QUESTION IS whether there's enough healthy leadership left to actually take the reins back... if there's even any will left in them. Are there individuals who stayed true, or did everyone just flip sides when things got tough?!
I'll say it again—I'm not as deep in the trenches as I used to be, but I'm basing this whole thing on how those ultra-loyalists were being praised in the grandstands.
How could you guys let yourselves score such a massive self-inflicted goal?
Sending my best to my brothers up North who are still fighting the good fight!