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Robert Cooper60 said:This is just getting started.
Robert Cooper60 said:http://www.chronicle.com/local-news/neighborhood-incident-involves-aggressive-individuals/
Robert Cooper60 said:I was watching today, and they even mentioned how people were setting off flares and smoke bombs at the welcome party, just like what you see down at a massive stadium or how the Bad Boys act at their home turf.
It honestly caught me off guard when that guy brought up the Bad Boys. 😁
But it got me thinking—why hasn't this momentum kept going? Is it money? Is it heart? Or are the players just out of shape? 😁
Robert Cooper60 said:What's the deal? I just caught that boat race marathon on TV...
electrictrucker16 said:October 23, 1999.
There isn't a single photo from the league game on May 9, 1992, or the cup match on May 19, 1993, or even the one on September 21, 1993. None from those two Super Cups in '93 and '94 either. That’s five different games where there probably wasn't even a banner hanging on the fence—if anyone even showed up at all on the south side.
And when you factor in May 17, 1995, and December 17, 1995... honestly, just a few dozen people actually showed up.
Before we finally hit that massive organized turnout in 1996, our biggest crowd was back on May 24, 1995, and even then, it was only about 200 people.
Jesse Ramirez3 said:https://www.flickr.com/photos/badblu...57624350474764
You’ve got this one (it's not exactly the beginning), though you probably already know about it.
Paul Bailey98 said:Hold up a second. How does the law actually view people wearing medical masks at a sporting event?
Is it possible that fans will be the only ones legally not allowed to protect themselves from getting sick?
Ethan Moore56 said:So, did everything go according to plan??
Please tell me you guys didn't ditch posting on FHR just to move over to Instagram or Facebook or whatever...
Thomas Peterson3 said:Why couldn't we just sing...
And tell me where you were
when the whole damn city was burning for him
when the streets were screaming
through Chicago, for Dinamo
In our hearts, an old flame burns forever
for this city and this club
we'd give our lives
wiredpilot28 said:It clearly suits some people to stir up this kind of hysteria, giving every single clown a platform to anonymously dump their toxic garbage in a place where, unfortunately, certain individuals being present gives it all a shred of unearned legitimacy.
placidcobra91 said:You don't need to ask me if this stuff should be deleted. You should be asking me whether it *deserves* to be wiped out. If you want my take, I’d say just scrub everything coming from the Mexican side along with all the replies to those posts. That’s how you actually "ban" those Mexican "fans"—by nuking their content before it even takes root. I told you before: just clear out anything originating from Mexico. It would be a massive relief if you actually did it. You're a straight shooter, and I'm counting on you to do the right thing here.
placidcobra91 said:It’s funny to you now, but it didn't feel that way when you were spinning those twisted stories and lies. I’m not even trying to play the role of someone who's immune to rumors, gossip, and falsehoods when we're talking about dangerous stuff. That’s exactly why I’m posting this here. The thing is, it should have been obvious to you guys that serious people haven't been posting here or anywhere else online (about us) lately, yet suddenly you show up with this garbage. The problem is, since you're the one popping up, and you aren't an idiot, it means it isn't "serious people" spreading rumors and lies anymore—it's you. With your experience and tenure, you know exactly what kind of nonsense you're peddling. You're just doing it to satisfy some personal need to vent everything you've been holding in, just to take a shot at Mexicans, and then you end up sitting on the bench. On top of that, you clearly don't realize who you're even talking to. But that's not even the main issue; the issue is what you're actually saying. And letting the thugs watch how the "ground is being prepared" only drags them into things that never end well.
So, it's great that this is your little private gossip hub, run by certain crews, where you send serious instructions to your people on how to act and what to do. Where you "wage wars" just to ensure you have better people in your circle. You felt the need to come here and seriously explain things to your people on this gossip site, but you can't seem to see that someone else also feels the need to speak up here when you start crafting dangerous fabrications and lies about their group. They're "fighting" to put a stop to the instigation and the lies. There isn't some "three-way" dynamic happening on this side. People have been using the "we don't talk on the internet" excuse for a long time to lie, assuming the thugs are too stupid to notice, won't speak up, and won't complain while they're being smeared. But when the cup overflows and it actually threatens to screw over the few decent people left, people show up where it's critical to set the record straight. Like right here. To make sure neither their own people nor others are exposed to unnecessary bullshit.
You've mixed up the facts about the place you're reading again. Go check, maybe you'll get lucky. Obviously, I wasn't anywhere.
What kind of condescending tone is that? Is it condescending when I say hats off to what you guys achieved? Is it condescending when I say that a stunt like the one down there could only be pulled by thugs or the Bad Boys, while everything else on the internet is just noise (though maybe things have changed in the meantime)? Is it arrogant to say that in certain situations, there were decent people on both sides, which is probably why everything went smoothly? Is it condescending to say you should value your own people? Is it because of that tone that someone in Washington, D.C. should get worked up? Should the people who saw the thugs in person—in a non-hateful, sane way—get worked up? The ones who saw the thugs in Washington, D.C. without any weapons in their hands? Is it you, on your side, who showed in person what you really think about the thugs in certain situations, who needs to sharpen up? And what am I even writing that would serve as the only metric for how they were with you? Who in Washington, D.C. would get worked up in a sick way against thugs after hearing words like yours? They might just sharpen up and say, "props to them for being respectful," and acknowledge that they respect what we do. It's much more realistic that someone in Washington, D.C. gets agitated when a major, significant figure from the stands writes lies about thugs throwing bombs, swinging axes, or staging tragedies like you were doing. And all of this through the internet; I can't even imagine what they say in person. That's how the worst stuff is created; that's how you create space for sick people. That's what fuels the lunatics. Not when, on an American forum, I write as a Mexican to our own Americans—no matter who they are—saying I'll personally "inspect" their hands if they write filth about American fans and the Grubs over the internet. Is it because of my stance and behavior on this forum that someone in Washington, D.C. should get worked up?
Look, you can't just take that guy from fifteen years ago in the series and blend him with the version of yourself in 2019 who was out there spreading twisted, dangerous lies online. To everyone else, that just looks like one continuous stream of bullshit. You’re an adult now—you're responsible for what you put out there. If you were writing nonsense about how the management pays for choreography, nobody would give a damn; people would just scroll past. But you write about serious stuff that poisons people's minds and leads to actual catastrophes for fans. And then you have the nerve to tell me I’m "harming" someone? There isn't a single person left in the fan scene you could pin that on. Bring up those old-school thugs who told the entire world and the global fan community that people were going to die when rival factions met. Or bring up the absolute degenerates back in 2019 who used the internet to twist the truth about incidents in America where people nearly lost their lives, or what happened to your guys over in Brooklyn and how they acted afterward. Or talk about who was setting fires or playing games between the Bad Boys during international affairs and the general scene. Not one of them acts like you do here regarding Mexicans. If anyone else even hinted at doing something similar, they'd be sanctioned immediately. But who's going to sanction you?
First, you talked about the fan scene in Mexico as this place where all the horrific tragedies happen—presenting it as a space defined by violence, which, unfortunately, is the truth. Then you try to derail the argument by acting childish, claiming that in such an environment, it's much harder to stay true, good, and sane. Your "childish" little story isn't even my point; I don't want that kind of scene or those kinds of problems for anyone, anywhere. With all due respect to all American groups, the repression, and the struggles they face, being a decent fan with a solid stance in Mexico is undeniably harder than it is in America. At the end of the day, your scene is "cleaner" and more normal, and it isn't hard to see which environment makes it tougher to be a real supporter while still maintaining integrity across the board. Just look at the situation with the Partizan fans—look at what they deal with and how difficult it is to build a legitimate movement there. Anyone who actually manages to pull that off deserves a standing ovation; you'd name the stadium after them. Honestly, I’d take the level of repression you guys face in your scene or in Washington, D.C., any day. It would do us a lot of good compared to what we're dealing with right now. We might actually see a rebirth. Not because your repression is better or worse, but because anything is better than the mess we currently have.
And in those conditions, you have these thugs fighting through the senselessness and the filth, managing to stay afloat and maintain a decent course for the fans, despite everything they do in the stands. So much has happened behind the scenes—dirty deals, blackmail, offers, and things you won't find anywhere on the internet. Things the thugs don't talk about. All that struggle and resistance to create better fan culture is exactly what you see playing out live in the stands.
It's a bit of a long one, so hopefully, I won't need to go on further.
You clearly misunderstood the Plain situation. They could have been out there tagging graffiti like the American side did in Belgrade, but instead, they chose to spread a slogan.
placidcobra91 said:You didn't show up to an American forum just to play the victim and exploit the posts of some random losers instead of getting them banned. But you won't, because it’s more fun for you to keep them around so you can keep feeding off their nonsense. Except now, it’s not just nonsense—it’s serious accusations and lies coming from someone who actually carries weight in the stands. Someone from the group already told you right here that they aren't going to delete his stupidity.
I’m not trying to lecture anyone. I’m just pointing out that you’ve completely swallowed the rhetoric of internet barkers and the mainstream media. It’s honestly hard to believe, considering you feel the sting of those same media outlets, the lies, the deception, and the pathetic fan culture on your own skin. Some things that happened unfortunately aren't fiction, even if they are exactly how you described them. And the way you’ve pieced this together is just a product of listening to media agitators, those obnoxious idiots on Facebook fan pages, and the general trolls of the internet fan world. All while having zero real understanding of what the situation is actually like in America.
I don't know if you're just slow, but you aren't exactly sharp if you're constructing these lies and heavy accusations based on waves of internet morons and insecure fanboys. You weren't writing about the character of American fans; you were touching on much more dangerous and damaging territory—especially when it comes from someone acting like they have authority, despite having no clue how things actually work on the ground.
If I had used that same standard for myself, I wouldn't have said a word to anyone. You've totally confused me with someone else regarding that conclusion. Even the conclusion you're pinning on me—which I have nothing to do with—is far more harmless and general than the mess you've made here. There is absolutely no comparison; they aren't even in the same league. Besides, you didn't even quote me correctly; you ripped it straight out of context. And since you love reading internet garbage so much, I'm sure you'll stumble upon plenty of other takes regarding the feud between BBB and Mamić. I assume your reading comprehension is fine; there’s plenty of stuff out there to read.
Nobody invented the problems within the American fan scene; they exist, unfortunately. Problems happen every single day, including right now as I type this. But you didn't write about the actual, real problems within the American supporter community. Instead, you wrote about things that either never happened, or happened in a way where you're spinning imaginary scenarios you picked up from the internet, Facebook, and the news from sickos, agitators, and trolls—in short, the enemies of true fandom.
Jonathan Edwards8 said:Everything changes, but your recordings live forever.
Even if you guys spend all day chasing each other down.
Richard Lewis16 said:I’m skipping that. It’s rigged. If you donate blood, you get a sandwich, but if you don't, you get nothing? That’s just plain unfair.😁