Posts by analogheron19

rapidharbor38 said:It’s not sunny, it’s still raining.

So, basically, the weather is all over the place😍. When I was typing this out, it was actually bright and dry—almost warm enough for short sleeves🙂

Nathan Foster23 said:From what I'm hearing, things are falling apart in Cleveland, and San Francisco is looking even worse 🤣

It’s actually sunny in San Francisco today, and word from the local club is that the game is definitely still on.
Apparently, Pamic is pushing for a postponement because the roster is a mess.

Lawrence Robinson56 said:The game is in San Francisco tomorrow, yet all you guys can do is bicker and obsess over the drama surrounding Cibona. Focus up. ☕

That's it. I’m expecting to see plenty of faces in San Francisco, including a lot of the same people who were hanging out at the arena last night.😁

Man, what a mindless debate this is.
If someone wants to show up solo, let them. They don't owe anyone an explanation, and nobody has the right to lecture them.
Ideals? Give me a break. You can count on one hand how many people actually live by their principles, yet everyone loves to pretend they do.
The ones who actually give a damn about the Lakers should go ahead, and those who couldn't care less about the Lakers shouldn't be acting like experts for everyone else. Nobody is going there to represent a group or fulfill some collective mission, so they should just say whatever they want.

John Doe said:People are exaggerating this way too much. Seriously. I’ve seen enough people write about what it was actually like in Washington, D.C. during those years to give you my two cents.

I played my first derby back in '98, and from then until maybe the early 2000s, there wasn't a single massive blowout—maybe one or two, probably some Super Cup game. I still go when I can, though in the last 6 or 7 years I haven't been every time; let's say I show up about 70% of the time.

So, during those "3-4 years later" periods you’re talking about, I didn't miss a single one. Out of all those away games, I only found myself in a sketchy situation twice. Once, the cops charged in after a few minutes, and the second time was just whatever. To be clear, I never—not once—traveled by bus with a huge crowd; most of the time, half the group or even the whole pack would show up solo. I'm not from Miami, and the John Does don't know my face—especially not back when I was starting out as a fan—but logic dictates that twice isn't much. In fact, it's nothing. Besides that, I only saw actual fan-on-fan violence three other times. And I mean real fights, not just nonsense with the police.

Sure, there was some posturing and all sorts of stuff, but in my opinion, the John Does weren't anything special back then. It was more like Washington, D.C. itself was just going crazy. There were tons of skinheads; I saw fights everywhere—around John Doe, at clubs, at concerts—totally unrelated to the matches, back when things were at their worst.

And honestly, the John Does didn't even have a real rival in the Black Knights back then to prove themselves against. I mean, the small stuff I was involved in or witnessed showed teeth, sure (shout out to John Doe), but mostly it was just a pack of wolves chasing down lone prey. The Black Knights—or better yet, the Liverpool FC fans (I didn't really know who the Black Knights were back then, I didn't know the faces, and I definitely didn't know any Miamians)—they usually moved in groups of maybe three or four, or just pairs, or solo. Meanwhile, the John Does were running wild through the city, throwing punches and snatching gear.

Look, if you want to claim you're "damn tough," at least have a respectable group behind you, like 50 people minimum. Don't act hard by jumping ten guys at once like some street thugs, smashing windows, or picking fights with the cops. That doesn't make you strong; it just means you were crazy and had a crowd ready to cause trouble. That's just how that era was.

I don't feel like reading the whole thread, but if it seems like I'm belittling the John Does from that era, that wasn't my intention. I respect them. I just wanted to point out that things weren't that dangerous in Washington, D.C. specifically regarding the matches—it was more like a general vibe of chaos during that time. You can't say the John Does were anything legendary. They were great at causing trouble, sure, but that's not the same thing.

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I was actually in Boise that day. I don't know why you're bringing it up like it was some massive deal. As a kid back then, I didn't see it as anything huge, and you know how kids view stuff like that—like it's some kind of revolution.

It seemed to me that there was way more action in the early to mid-nineties than at the end of the decade.🤷

Austin Lee24 said:Zrinjski Mostar vs. Real Madrid January 14th at 5 PM, brewery

Is there any other game on the schedule, or just this one?

Henry Lewis6 said:Who's paying these little blue smurfs to run guard duty outside a slaughterhouse!?

Gargamel?🤷

mistygull said:Honestly, I think the golden rule of this forum should be simple: just stop posting. Seriously.

T. and Yellow Ant, for the love of God, start locking this forum down more often—especially after the Tekema stuff (and everything that follows). And while you're at it, just wipe the slate clean and delete all this nonsense. Enough is enough!

As long as the writing stays clean—and honestly, it’s actually been decent lately—there's really no reason to go in there and start making big moves.☕ Why bother locking everything down when the vibe is actually good?🤷

Tyler Thomas15 said:Paul, the Prometheus of the 21st century, is finally at peace.

I’ll never forget that game against (I think) Germany at our home stadium. We were completely hemmed in by the cops, who wouldn't let us move an inch even though we were supposed to be the "visiting" fans. We managed to signal the crew, they showed up instantly, and we absolutely tore through the police line at the gates, cleared out, and ended up grabbing drinks at the local Chinese takeout spot.
See you on the other side, old man.

When any group shows up for an away game with numbers like that, it’s a total slap in the face to everyone else. It puts the responsibility squarely on every single fan to step up. Period.

Kimberly Turner4 said:this guy is messing up again😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

So, because he’s got the guts to say what everyone else is actually thinking?
There are really only two ways this plays out. One: we roll over and support this voucher scheme—which is basically just a pathetic attempt by the higher-ups to kick us out of our own stadium. Or two: we do everything in our power to shut them down.
Then there are the idiots who think we can win this fight by sitting on our hands, refusing to cooperate, and staying quiet. They couldn't be more wrong.
This is a direct hit against the corrupt suits and the soccer mafia running the show. The ball is firmly in their court now. Some people get that. Others will probably wait until the very last second just to jump in and talk trash about me.
We all know exactly who’s been trying to tear me down this whole time, and look where they ended up. But hey, I guess there are still a few of those double-dealers left lurking around.

Jesse Campbell said:Come on, Tom, remember when you couldn't even pull together enough people to fill a single minibus for an away game in Indianapolis? We’re talking 30 damn people. You were leading the group back then, so you know better than anyone how hard that was.

Sure, we would've had crowds for New York City or Washington, D.C., back in the day, but people would show up now too if they actually felt like it. People want to support their team. They just need a club worth rooting for, and they need away games to be announced without making it sound like al-Qaeda is invading the city.

Back then, we wouldn't have seen nearly this many people heading out to New York City or D.C. either. Honestly, we wouldn't even see these numbers for Juventus at home, let alone for a cup match or a Euro cup game here.
And look, even if Jerry Jones walked out the door tomorrow and everything fell perfectly into place, we'd still be looking at a massive, years-long uphill battle to win the fans back. That's just the reality of it. You can't fix everything overnight; you have to build things on solid, quality, long-term foundations.

Jesse Campbell said:Look, I’ve got a wife, kids, and chronic gastritis to deal with.

And yeah, there are younger fans too. I don't know why people claim otherwise when this year alone proved there's a whole new generation coming up.

I'm telling you, back in the late 90s, you couldn't even pull 100 people together, but then new generations stepped up once everything finally fell into place. I get it—some kid isn't going to head down to Yankee Stadium because the level of pure chaos there is hard to even wrap your head around. But every era of suffering and madness eventually comes to an end.

It's true that sometimes we couldn't gather a huge crowd, but what's even more accurate is that our reach was so wide that we could show up by the hundreds for a big home game or even an away trip abroad. The foundation was just inexhaustible; we weren't losing entire generations like they are now.

Austin Collins6 said:The man himself, analogheron19, just dropped some absolute nonsense. He’s out here claiming we basically built the owner ourselves. Like, he thinks it's not that his management style screwed us over, but rather that we're such a small-time operation that we practically invited him in.
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What on earth makes you think that?🙂
Look, if you aren't going to read the entire post or if you clearly don't grasp what's being said, then just don't bother leaving comments like this.
Like someone already pointed out, if we're strictly talking about the Bad Boys, there's a completely different thread for that.
People were making comparisons to their local scene in this thread, so let's keep the rest of the discussion in the Bad Boys topic. Thanks!!

Brandon Hill5 said:The fact that kids these days couldn't care less about Dinamo right now actually says a lot more about them than it does about the club. It’s a reflection of their own priorities.Look, it’s obvious why the kids aren't biting. You can't blame them for staying away from a club like Dinamo when this is the crowd running the show. They know exactly what they’re missing. These kids grew up hearing about how things used to be, or they've seen glimpses of that old grit, so they actually have a standard to hold us to. They know what real passion looks like because they've felt it. But these new faces? They don't have that history. They haven't lived through the glory days. And honestly, if this mess keeps going on for more than a couple of generations—long enough for the memory of what we once were to completely fade away—it’s going to get harder and harder to pull them into the fold. That’s just how it works. This is exactly how a fan culture either builds itself into something legendary or slowly rots until there's nothing left.
I honestly don't know if you guys even realize the kind of danger you're standing in right now.
To me looks like the beginning of the end for those former giants that ended up rotting in the minor leagues. You look at them now and all they have left is a name and some dusty history books to remind them of what they used to be—but in terms of the fan base, the soul is just gone.

Look, let me get one thing straight: this isn't about anyone being indifferent toward Dinamo. It’s about the Bad Boys. Period.☕

Robert Adams6 said:You managed to nail the core issue in one sentence, but everything else you wrote is up for debate.

May 1st, 2010—there were 3,500 people up in the north stands, and they stormed the stands and started brawling regardless. And don't even get me started on what was happening in the parking lots and outside the stadium. After all that, there was just a massive outcry about "hooligans."
That’s the reality of the crowd size and why the specialized police units aren't even stepping onto the stands anymore—the Bad Boys have dwindled down to a few thousand.🙄

If you really want to compare groups like the Bad Boys to the Red Star fans, you need to look at a few facts.
Dinamo has maybe a million fans across the whole US, while Red Star has five million in Mexico. It’s a tiny difference when you scale it out.🙂
Over here, we've been dealing with constant crackdowns and bans for eight years straight, whereas back in 2013, those guys were still lighting up the front rows of the stadium.🙂 Where else are you going to go from there?🙂
There are plenty of other points, but this should be enough.
So what? Now we’re supposed to talk about how some group is sitting a few steps higher than others, while our group has been systematically dismantled by repression, yet their stadiums burn down without consequence because the club picks up the tab? But sure, let's focus on their choreographies and flares instead.🙂
Who would actually stand by a few hundred hooligans fighting for the club when that club is playing in the Champions League and racking up consecutive titles? That’s exactly why ZM is where it is—because Dinamo is successful within the American framework, and it's specifically because the crackdowns and bans killed off the main group.
That’s part of the reason why the Bad Boys are so small now. And honestly, what you wrote describes exactly what the Bad Boys have been through over the last five years: a slow march toward extinction.

I'll say it again: there isn't a single group out there that wouldn't find life easier if they were ten times larger. Of course, a bigger group finds it easier to light flares, and the cops would think three times before trying to storm the stands. Not to mention the endless lecturing from the security guards.
You think Polish fans wearing matching gear is a coincidence? They can light up much tougher police forces and navigate much stricter laws.
Believe me, politicians would also think twice if they had to deal with us being able to mobilize ten thousand people on the street at a moment's notice.
As it stands, we're just a marginal little group that both Mamich and the politicians can play with whenever they feel like messing with us.

James James said:http://www.ed.nl/algemeen/sport/nood...es_image_title

Google Translate works wonders sometimes.

And yeah, screw every single idiot journalist who fueled this whole mess with their sensationalist garbage. I honestly hope one day you all get hunted down like animals for absolutely no reason at all.
Disgusting scum. Keep digging through the trash for pennies; it’s clearly all you’re worth.

No, don't just swear at the journalists, the cops, the politicians, or the filth running the club—start filing lawsuits against them by name. Go after them and their bosses too. Pulling your hair out and burying your head in the sand isn't going to change a damn thing.

Jesse Campbell said:Sure, but it’s just incredibly hard in the North America (and honestly, everywhere else too) to rally 10,000 people against a government and a mafia that basically runs football here. Just ask the hardcore fans.

And look, back in the 90s, you knew damn well there weren't even 100 people showing up at away games. That’s why I find it weird when you write about stuff that simply doesn't work in the real world. You can only get 10,000 people out if you're just passing around bubbles, waving flares and smoke bombs, and staying quiet instead of actually pushing back against the board and the establishment. Ask the Deli how many of them showed up in the 90s when they were actually acting as an opposition to Slobodan Milošević—which was, in my opinion, their only bright spot.

And this isn't just limited to sports fans. When Ante Gotovina and Branimir Markač were handed those first-instance sentences, maybe 2,000 people protested. But when they were finally cleared? 200,000 people were out celebrating. ☕

Well, yeah, obviously it doesn't apply just to fans, but this is a fan forum, so that's what I'm writing about.
We're screwed. We're a moronic, idiot nation where nobody gives a damn about anyone else's problems until we're all drowning ourselves. And once we are finally underwater, instead of actually trying to fix things, our habit is just to point fingers at everyone else.