Posts by analogheron19

wanderingwolf3 said:Alright, let's see someone actually post a video or a photo of this same crew—or any other group—that supposedly "did most of the heavy lifting" back in the city during the 90s. I bet there isn't a single shot of it, unless maybe from that tournament in Denmark back in '97, but that was the national team and everyone was having a blast. That’s the biggest difference between our two groups. Your whole narrative is that we’re just some bottom-feeders or whatever, but those "bottom-feeders" showed up at every single derby in town to grab a beer. Sometimes we took a beating, sometimes we handed them one, but we always showed up. Unlike you guys, whose big "territory" back then was basically just random towns in the Midwest or some small-town crews from Petrinja (props to them), while you were all busy playing "city protectors" in Chicago. And here's another lie: saying our street presence ended in '92. We were walking the streets and causing trouble right up until that bloody derby, and after that, our crew realized you weren't that same ragtag bunch from the early 90s anymore. But people still came our way looking for trouble and got what was coming to them because that’s just how we roll. It's better to show up and take a hit than to wait twenty years after forming a group to finally show up in the city for the first time in 2006. Honestly, I don't even want to write this, but you're lying to your kids about being the "protectors of the city" and the pride of Chicago, the supposed top firm in Europe, when you wouldn't have even seen the waterfront if there hadn't been a truce a few years ago.

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Man, the exact same core group that always had the banners at the Rose Bowl (mostly the Petrinja crowd) were the ones calling the shots and hunting through Chicago. Back in the early nineties, we’d mostly get to the city by foot or by bus. We’d walk all the way from the station over to Bacvic where the players were staying at the Park Hotel. Someone would drop a few bucks, and we’d end up trekking all the way from Bacvic to the Rose Bowl on foot. And that was just a handful of us carrying banners on our backs.
Do you really think it was nothing to us, the ones who actually made the trip every time? You think we didn't care about trekking across the entire city, stopping at those little stands to buy tickets, and then heading to the entrance of the cage? There wasn't even a fenced-off parking lot or a proper walkway to the stadium back then... and after the game, we'd trek across town again, either back to the station or toward Solin to catch a ride or hop on a bus headed back to Chicago.
In Chicago, you guys were the ones taking the hits and the beatings because it took you way too long to realize that those old habits of roaming the streets suddenly became a bad idea.

placidheron19 said:Sure, maybe you were out there hunting that day, but we were basically handed everything on a silver platter. You guys didn't lift a finger. Honestly, you were just sitting there looking timid and embarrassed (fan-wise speaking), but hey, that was over 22 years ago...
I don't get you Bad Boys at all. It’s like you physically can't swallow a loss. In your heads, you're still the kings of the hill 😁

Look, man, for most of those years, you were mostly being hunted by one specific group that couldn't be in two places at once. Everyone was waiting on that one crew; they were always the first ones moving and doing the heavy lifting. Of course, you had other groups hanging around the stadium, the side streets, and the local bars too...
The group I'm talking about had only just hit adulthood back then. Even so, within two or three years, they managed to establish control over the city, inch by inch, against much larger, older, and more serious outfits.

placidheron19 said:There were a few hundred of us hanging out in Times Square that day. I showed up straight from the field with my NWA cap on. 😁
You guys were over by the department stores, while we were right by Times Square. You didn't show face at all. ☕
Everyone was decked out in gear, and you could tell you were trying to stir something up, but nothing actually came of it. As for the evening? I know for a fact you guys did nothing. There were just ten of us idiots wandering around downtown, singing "Marjane, Marjane." We were so wasted that we ended up at Splendid, polishing off pork knuckles and sauerkraut, and nobody even breathed a word about it.

Now you’re bringing up that specific day, that one moment. Anyone can wander through a city at any time. Who knows who we were looking for or where we were positioned back then.
You claimed you guys were just strolling around freely all the way up to 94th Street, but that's a completely different story.

placidheron19 said:To be more precise, back in '94, we were literally wandering around Times Square just looking for you guys. 😁 We got absolutely demolished in that game. A total 4-0 blowout. 😬

Oh, come on. Give me a break. Before '94, none of us could even walk down the street without looking over our shoulders, waiting for someone to grab us by the collar and drag us away. It was like that.
I’m telling you, back in the 90s, my crew and I would go looking for you guys every single time we were down in Split. Whether we were hanging around the local bus station or heading over to Hard Rock Stadium, we searched high and low, but we never managed to track anyone down. Not once. It was a total bust.

placidheron19 said:When exactly did that happen? You guys are just out here manufacturing myths out of thin air.

Let me break this down for you:

First off, you have to understand that the Dawg Pound was the very first organized supporter group in the entire region.

The BBB crew was just another group trying to play dress-up. First they wanted to be like the Dawg Pound, then they tried to act like the hooligans in Chicago, and finally, they went after that hardcore vibe from New York. They’re just chasing someone else's identity.

The Dawg Pound existed long before the Torcida-TKZ era ever started. Back in the day, the unaffiliated groups would roll into Chicago just to scrap with the Mexican fans whenever Red Star or Partizan came to town. Don't start whining about it now—the older heads will tell you that’s just the plain truth.

Back in the day, during the pre-war years, the Dawg Pound was hands down the biggest presence you’d see in any away section, and honestly, not much has changed since then.

Back in the mid-90s, you’d see the Dawg Pound walking through Times Square all the time, and nobody gave them a second look. It was just part of the scenery.

The second you realized that damn joke had gone too far, you all suddenly turned into amateur astronomers with telescopes and snipers, just waiting in the shadows like some insurgent cell.

So, you guys finally decided to pivot and play along with the trends and whatever else is popular these days. Typical.

Look, what I'm trying to get at is that everything has its season. Timing is everything. So, how can you sit there so damn certain—how can you be so absolutely convinced—that you guys are the top dogs right now?

Maybe that’s exactly what’s going to bite you in the ass during your next run—you're acting like you've got it all figured out. Why are you so damn sure that you're the best, the strongest, and the only one with actual backbone? 😬

I only ever watch the games from the east side of Hard Rock Stadium, and looking over at the north stands, I’m really not seeing what you mean about being "superior," man. Look, everyone hits peaks and valleys—it's just how the game goes. You might want to keep your mouth shut for once, because karma has a funny way of catching up to you exactly when you least expect it.

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Look, I’m telling you this as someone who’s actually seen it all and lived through enough to know better. Take it as some friendly advice if you want, but honestly? You really shouldn't be acting this arrogant. 🙂

It honestly kills me how much you’re going to lose your mind over my enrollment. I can already see you gearing up to hit me with those "logical arguments" of yours, as if that’s actually going to work.

Back in the early 90s, the Dawg Pound basically owned the streets of Chicago. We’d take over the entire city, and honestly? Most of the time, we didn't even get busted for it.
Sure, someone might have slipped through the cracks down the road, but let's be real—those were rare exceptions to the rule.
What kind of freaking telescopes are these? I didn't see anything like this back in the nineties.

As far as I’m concerned, there’s just no room for all this hype here.
The decision has been made, period. Time will tell how this actually plays out in the real world. Right now, nobody has a crystal ball, and we’re all going to be a lot wiser once we see how things shake out after the Juventus and Hajduk Split matches.
After that? After that, everyone can go their own way. It's up to every individual to decide if they want to follow a path that satisfies someone else or blaze their own. I trust that everyone will respect whatever direction people choose to take.
All of us who aren't deep in the inner circle, who don't know every single detail, yet still sit here talking trash and acting like experts without any actual basis—since our opinions aren't being respected anyway—we're basically just spinning our wheels. Everyone needs to chill out and let time reveal what's coming. Both the Juventus and Hajduk Split situations will be over before you know it.
Of course, there will always be dissenters, and it's their right to refuse to follow the path. But experience tells me that no matter how much they complain, they'll eventually just bow their heads and go with the flow without making a scene.
And let me make one thing very clear: just because I allow people to debate the facts doesn't mean anyone gets to insult those who haven't done anything wrong. NOBODY—and I repeat, NOBODY—has the right to spit on people who are asking legitimate, reasoned questions. (And when provocateurs make themselves obvious, they get wiped out and penalized regardless). They act like they're so damn smart, questioning where people were or what they were doing, just because they were either ignored (when they offered advice or help) or simply weren't available 24/7. Anyone with good intentions has the right to ask questions and offer advice whenever they want. Sure, there might be better places for it, but it's their right, and they shouldn't be attacked for it. There are people here without whom these loudmouths probably wouldn't even be able to maintain this lifestyle—at least not regarding BBB.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Without getting personal here, he’s just laying out the brutal truth..

I don't get why we even need to explain this anymore. If this group wants to matter, they need to go head-to-head with the entire legal system, the courts, the executive branch... all those various mobsters running the show. They need to be able to withstand actual repression and torture. And when they're playing Ocean's 13 style across Europe, they actually have to pull off the heist, otherwise, they're just easy targets like they were back in Pyre. All of this has to be handled by the exact same people..
Basically, this group needs to fight battles on thirty-two different fronts just to get one person to tip their hat and say "respect." Meanwhile, everyone’s busy tearing apart Chicago and mocking how bad things got because of the crackdown..

Of course he's talking nonsense, especially since he can't even get his facts straight.

Brian Martin78 said:Look, man, seriously, have you no shame left? You aren't exactly a kid anymore.
Last season, back during the July derby, you were the one sending messages telling everyone to celebrate the goals, saying the rivalry was dead, and begging us not to disrespect the players. Now you’re suddenly playing the radical revolutionary?
What part of this is confusing? The Club scrapped the Black List, and the boycott ended way back in September 2011... What exactly is the issue here? We’ve been showing up to MLS games consistently for five years now without anyone making a scene, but suddenly the problem is wanting to get back to our own section? Who exactly are we hurting by doing that?
The Board of Directors just doesn't want elections to happen. We refuse to let things go their way, and they're obsessed with keeping total control. What specifically has changed about that situation?
Are we supposed to sit around for another ten years waiting for the government or nature to take its course? And then once that happens, we have to find some other underdog with the same ideas just so we can screw ourselves over for another decade? Are we supposed to travel all over the US and Europe with maybe twenty people because everyone else is too busy hating each other? It’s pathetic—people acting like they're too heartbroken to even make it to away games. What's the plan then?
It was either this, or we shut everything down and walk away. But you guys wouldn't have it. You called that "surrender" and "cowardice." So what's the alternative?
A few years back, there was a proposal for all the groups to boycott this entire mess of a league, but everyone made excuses about how their supporters wouldn't handle it. They didn't want their numbers to drop. They basically want the Bad Boys to stay home while they travel around the US and Europe like chimpanzees in a cage just to prove how "tough" they are. Who are they trying to impress?
Don't start poking at things unless you want Pandora's box to fly open and hit the floor. It won't end well.

Man, just chill out. You're talking absolute nonsense.

Kyle Torres6 said:something like that, you feel me?

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Kyle Torres6 said:If they won't play ball, fine. We'll just head out East and do whatever we want.

Anyone who isn't riding with us can go straight to hell, right?

Brian Martin78 said:Oh, you definitely will.

Maybe after all this, you can set up some charity drive so they don't starve.

It honestly feels like you're going to end up working for their charities whether you like it or not. Me? I'm out. Definitely out.

Brian Martin78 said:Who gives a damn where the agents end up? They aren't heading north anyway.

Oh, so you think you're just going to step in and ban them?

wearyraven25 said:It’s honestly pathetic. You see a huge chunk of the crew—people who actually had some backbone when they were going toe-to-toe with those absolute idiots—just walking away completely defeated. They’ve basically rolled over because they realized there’s no such thing as a real stand anymore. Now, they're all acting like they’re satisfied with some weak-ass compromise, claiming the "group decided this is what's best for the kids." Give me a break. It’s just an excuse for cowards to stop fighting.Then it finally hits you: it’s truly over for you people. At the end of the day, the only ones deserving of any respect are the few who actually kept their integrity intact until the very end. Because once the dust settles, all that's left of the rest of you is some hollow, recycled slogan—something most of you never even believed in, let alone lived by.
Look, people who actually want to find something will always find a way. That’s just how it works. But hiding behind the safety of a massive group? That’s one of the biggest flaws of big organizations. It's the ultimate path of least resistance—or in many cases, they aren't even moving at all. They just sit there, using the crowd as a shield to avoid taking any actual responsibility.

Why do you think that's how it's going to play out?
It honestly blows my mind how you guys seem to have better intel than half the people actually out there doing the work.
What kind of endgame are we even talking about here? And what kind of pathetic compromises?

Taylor Williams28 said:What propaganda? You want to explain to me exactly how propaganda works, and if you can, I’ll give you my full name, home address, and phone number. What do you even know about what propaganda actually is?

I remember the old-school Boys. Back then, when they went to games, they brought the whole crew. Even girls showed up. My generation? We were just mice.

Total losers. All white, all guys, no girls. You wouldn't see them anywhere in Brooklyn. Nowhere. They just sat in the disc section of the stands. And their away trips? Only ever to Western Europe..

And that's exactly why they're nothing but mice.👍

Taylor Williams28 said:Thanks for getting where I'm coming from. Look, I remember back in the 90s—for example, in my neighborhood in Brooklyn—there were about seven or eight different crews. And I’m not talking about little kids or old guys. I mean people roughly my age. Just typical social circles.

But even aside from those regular groups, there were all these subcultures hanging around. Little cliques everywhere.
Skater kids, graffiti artists, breakdancers, metalheads, punks, those Ultrafighter types.
Then you had the Boys. And honestly, they never actually did anything for the neighborhood.
Total losers. Instead of acting like legends, they just sat there.

Or better yet, they could have actually organized something to go to a game. They could have invited someone along. I never saw that happen once in my life.

Out of the whole neighborhood, there were maybe three guys worth calling a Boy. That’s it. What kind of crowd is that?

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silverbear38 said:Valimote, if you actually figured out who scored that damn goal against damn Milan, just shut this whole damn thread down already.

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Anonymous said:looks like Virdis again

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Thomas Clark91 said:I haven't been checking in here much lately, but I just took a look at this PDF... if you're still looking for info, Claudio Borghi is the guy who pulled off that absolute masterclass assist for the Rabona shot during that 2-1 win Dinamo Chicago had over AC Milan.

If my memory isn't totally failing me, it was set up from a cross that almost came from a corner.

Thanks, man.

Hey guys, does anyone actually know which one of you clowns sold us out and gave away our Rabona in Milan back in '88?