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Forgiveness: Is it a sign of weakness or strength? in Philosophy · Oct 11, 2006

labellina said:not really.
it's just not how I roll.
if things go south, I’m out, I ignore it, or I just shut it down
(depends on who's holding the cards, I guess... 😁 )

I’m all about prevention.😛
basically, I try to nip the problem in the bud before the hatred starts and before anyone even needs to ask for forgiveness

So there you have it. That's the path you chose. And honestly, I bet you sleep pretty soundly at night because of it.
I’ll admit, I can be vindictive too, but I don't see much point in holding a grudge against someone who might not have even meant to hurt me in the first place... people can be so clumsy with their words and act so impulsively without any actual malice behind it, you know?

Forgiveness: Is it a sign of weakness or strength? in Philosophy · Oct 11, 2006

normall said:Look, believe me, I’d love to run into certain people in some dark alleyway today
and feel perfectly fine 😎

But would you really feel better, or is it just that hunger for revenge talking... making you think that way?

I remember watching this documentary where the parents of a murdered girl actually attended the execution of her killer over in the States. They truly believed it was the only way—that it was justice, a righteous retribution for the sheer agony and devastation he had forced upon them.
Once the sentence was carried out, they were stunned by the fact that there was no sense of relief, no satisfaction, no peace of mind at all... As time went on, they ended up seeing therapists... and to make a long story short, they eventually realized they had to forgive the man who was executed, and even ask him for forgiveness in their hearts for hating him so much, because only then could they finally start living again (they had another child that they basically neglected after the tragedy with their daughter).

Those things are horrific, obviously, but I’m afraid that seeking revenge doesn't actually lessen the horror... it just ends up poisoning the person chasing it. That kind of hatred just tightens your chest and turns you into some kind of misanthrope... And the worst part is, while you're suffering through that, the person you want revenge on is probably sleeping soundly, without giving a single thought to what they did.

Forgiveness: Is it a sign of weakness or strength? in Philosophy · Oct 11, 2006

Harold Adams5 said:I’m talking about those "one-on-one" clashes, you know, the everyday stuff... when someone’s constantly pushing you around or picking at you and you just end up feeling miserable...

Look, you have to realize that this whole sense of being pathetic, or pushed around, or judged... it all stems from within yourself. If you don't internalize it that way, then you aren't actually pathetic, or oppressed, or criticized... it just isn't happening. And if it isn't, then what would you even be seeking vengeance for? You get what I'm saying?...
Revenge is just one possible reaction to how you choose to interpret someone else's words or actions. But you always have the option to see things differently. It’s entirely up to you how you respond... 🙂
So, have you actually gone through with it yet? How did it leave you feeling afterward?

Forgiveness: Is it a sign of weakness or strength? in Philosophy · Oct 11, 2006

The thing about revenge is that it’s best illustrated by looking back at history, where you see these entire families, tribes, or even whole nations dragging out blood feuds for generations until they don't even remember what started the fight in the first place... it just becomes this hollow tradition they cling to. And honestly, what is the actual point there? What kind of relief or benefit does anyone actually get from a vendetta when the original grievance has been forgotten by everyone living, yet we still find ourselves stuck in the cycle because our grandfathers, fathers, and uncles were all too busy fighting to let it go, so now it's just our turn...

Forgiveness: Is it a sign of weakness or strength? in Philosophy · Oct 9, 2006

Bloodline said:
what does it even mean to forgive someone...

and why on earth do people assume that letting go of all that rage and hatred is the only way, like, why can't revenge be just as healing for your own soul?...

Well, I already said it, you forgive for your own sake.
I mean, honestly, do you actually feel more satisfied after you've forgiven someone, or is it better when you get your payback? You're free to make whatever choice you want, really... and if that choice leaves you feeling calm and able to sleep through the night without tossing and turning, then it's probably the right one. Just listen to your heart and what it tells you about it...

Forgiveness: Is it a sign of weakness or strength? in Philosophy · Oct 9, 2006

rustymaker5 said:

has anyone here actually dealt with forgiveness before?

is there such a thing as a positive outcome?
?

Yeah. You have to forgive for your own sake... otherwise, you're just left carrying around this heavy weight of bitterness and rage, and honestly, that internal anger ends up destroying us way more than whatever bullshit someone else did to us ever could. Maybe you can't just snap your fingers and forgive the second you get hurt, but the sooner we manage to let go, the easier life becomes...
It doesn't really matter who you're forgiving, because they might accept it, or they might not, and frankly, that’s their business and none of ours. (Sometimes, you realize the person isn't even aware they caused any damage in the first place...) The whole point is just getting ourselves back to a state of equilibrium, so we don't burn ourselves out from the inside or keep feeding into that cycle of negativity...

I try to practice forgiveness, and I think I'm getting better at it—which mostly means I'm finding myself in fewer situations where I even need to bother... (And there's this connection there to our own expectations, which is usually why we end up feeling hurt in the first place, often without even realizing we built those expectations ourselves...)

Forgiveness: Is it a sign of weakness or strength? in Philosophy · Oct 9, 2006

rustymaker5 said:It feels like the less we force ourselves to move on, the more we just lean into our own current thoughts and feelings, the sooner that FORGIVENESS actually shows up... and once it does, that’s when we finally find some peace and settle things with the past.

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Exactly. You can't force forgiveness, because if you have to muscle through it, then it isn't actually real... it's just performative.
Only when that reaction becomes your default state—something simple, something natural that leaves your heart quiet and free from all those lingering echoes—then, and only then, does letting go become a part of who you are... it stops being this heavy obligation or this constant struggle, and it just becomes another way you exist and interact with everything around you.

Forgiveness: Is it a sign of weakness or strength? in Philosophy · Oct 8, 2006

1. If love isn't just some fleeting rush of emotion, then what the hell is it actually...

2. I've been thinking about how much weight we carry around... how does it actually feel deep down when you finally decide to forgive someone, versus that heavy, suffocating sensation of holding onto a grudge forever?

Inner Growth in Psychology · Oct 4, 2006

It makes me think of that old saying: a dog doesn't bark for the sake of the neighborhood, it barks because it’s just being itself...
Then I immediately connect that to another idea: people usually get annoyed by what they actually want to change about themselves, or they try to convince everyone else of something just so they can finally believe it themselves.
It feels like all these little observations are actually profound truths when you sit with them for a while...
And honestly, I think it’s a good thing to keep trying to convince ourselves of things, especially if it's in a positive way, because that's how you actually allow yourself to grow internally.
Sometimes I'll have some massive problem and decide to just leave it for the morning, thinking maybe sleeping on it will make me smarter than I was the night before, but then I wake up with those same messy thoughts, feeling just as frazzled and uncertain about what to do next...
But then, I remember this one life-saving way out! (I read it in a book once) and I find myself asking: what would Love do right now?
A thought flashes through my mind, this wave of calm just washes over me, and suddenly I know exactly what needs to be done. And it turns out it isn't just the right move for me, but for everyone involved too. 🙂
And it seems to me that this is the right path toward that inner growth which, if I believe correctly, never truly stops for as long as we live.

Inner Growth in Psychology · Oct 3, 2006

urbannomad12 said:.
Every single time I used to feel an ounce of insecurity creeping in, I’d just drift back to those moments where I was absolutely bursting with self-confidence... and over time, that mental image of my more certain self has basically swallowed up the insecure version whole.
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👍

I actually met this guy during one of those mindfulness retreats who really struggled with social interaction. He was pretty rattled, easily triggered, and tended to just shut down and withdraw from everyone...
Circumstances forced him to take a summer job waiting tables, and he was genuinely terrified about how he'd handle it—you know, dealing with demanding customers and all the nonsense people spout when they're being difficult...

When we crossed paths again in the fall, he told me everything went flawlessly because he’d developed this little trick: he trained himself to view every single customer as nothing more than a pig's head. Since you can't exactly offend or irritate a pig, he found it incredibly easy to just smile at them, and none of their attitude could get under his skin...

I’m not saying that’s the gold standard for life, obviously, but it helped him power through those two months, and the patrons all thought he was this incredibly polite, perpetually cheerful guy (well, it's easy to be happy when you're looking at a bunch of swine 😁 ), and he realized he could actually conquer these internal states that used to mess with his head and keep him isolated from the rest of the world...

Inner Growth in Psychology · Oct 3, 2006

Around here, most people just end up crying for themselves instead of actually mourning the person they lost...

Inner Growth in Psychology · Oct 3, 2006

soul_of_sidartha said:Sometimes it all just wears you down, you know? It gets hard to actually unwind and just... exist. Maybe it sounds a bit ridiculous, but there’s something to be said for dropping down a level—just reacting instinctively to whatever the world throws at you without overthinking a single thing. Does my constant analyzing actually boost my chances of success, while this other way, this more primal way, might actually increase my chances of being happy? Is it possible that awareness and deep thought are actually at odds with what we call happiness?

At the end of the day, it’s really only about what makes you happy.
If you can find peace after you act—whether that action was a total impulse or something you carefully weighed—then you’re probably heading in the right direction. That’s when you’re being true to yourself, or rather, presenting the version of yourself that you actually want the world to see. If you're left with a nagging conscience or that heavy, "bad" feeling in your gut after doing something, then you weren't being your real self, and that's when you need to course-correct...
In the beginning, though, it's always easier to just take the path of least resistance, even if following your true, raw nature is the much harder road to travel.

Inner Growth in Psychology · Oct 3, 2006

soul_of_sidartha said:I get that emotions are just my own way of interpreting what happens, that I'm the one creating them and then tearing them down myself.

And honestly, you really nailed it there... you've said it all, haven't you? 👍

It’s entirely up to us how we perceive things, how we wrap our heads around an event, and how we react to the chaos...
Once a person finally realizes that other people can only mess with your head as much as you actually let them, it’s like a door just swings open to this whole new world of self-awareness, tolerance, and actual peace...
Sometimes you have to grind at it, work through the mental clutter, and sometimes it just clicks without any effort at all... if you notice that your personal growth is actually making your interactions with others better—keep doing exactly what you're doing. Eventually, it just becomes part of who you are, and you won't even feel like you're trying anymore, it'll just be your default setting. 🙂

What drives a person toward self-sabotage? in Psychology · Oct 3, 2006

Self-abasement....
There are certain people out there who have basically decided, quite intentionally I think, to play the victim for the rest of their lives. To me, they remind me of leeches or maybe even vampires... because by constantly fishing for sympathy from everyone around them, they end up sucking the life force right out of people, feeding on that energy just to get whatever they want through the path of least resistance. It’s this incredibly sneaky way of dodging any shred of personal responsibility by projecting everything onto someone else, making sure they’re never actually at fault for their own actions or the mess their lives become.
For these types, acting pathetic or self-deprecating is nothing more than a calculated tactic to pull strings, triggering a sense of guilt and obligation in others just so they can manipulate them more easily.

The psychology of folk music fans, finally explained in Psychology · Sep 20, 2006

Look, I know taste is subjective and everyone’s entitled to their own playlist, but there's a real issue with this low-brow, trashy pop music—whatever you want to call it—because it just taps into these raw, primitive instincts in people... it triggers this reckless energy that leads to broken glass, total loss of control, and frankly, it usually spirals into aggression and senseless fighting.

It really gets under my skin how fans of this stuff act like the entire neighborhood is obligated to suffer through it at max volume, which honestly just highlights how little some people understand about living in a civilized society... You never see someone blasting Beethoven or Bach out of their car, or even Deep Purple or Metallica.

If they kept it to themselves, I wouldn't care so much, because let's face it, we aren't all on the same intellectual or cultural wavelength... But when they operate on this "wild ones take over from the polite ones" mentality, it just creates this massive friction for anyone who actually values a bit of decorum.

Spirituality: Am I just being an idiot? in Spirituality · Aug 9, 2006

Honestly, I just don't have the energy to go back and forth with an idiot... Other people might not see the distinction, but I do.
😁

Spirituality: Am I just being an idiot? in Spirituality · Aug 9, 2006

Man, you can really tell it’s officially pickle season out there! 😁 😁

How do I stop racing thoughts? in Psychology · Aug 9, 2006

Now you’ve just gone and confused me... 😕
Seriously, what planet are you even from? 🤔
It’s honestly like asking me to provide some grand piece of evidence to prove the fact that you actually need letters to read... 🙄

p.s. Maybe try picking up something to read that isn't a comic book for once? 😁

How do I stop racing thoughts? in Psychology · Aug 9, 2006

athma said:rustymaker5, does it actually matter if the glass is half full or half empty? It’s just two different ways of describing the exact same physical reality, isn't it?

And honestly, everything else you're bringing up—that idea that you can fundamentally rewire your brain chemistry through nothing more than autosuggestion to get those kinds of massive results... from a strictly scientific standpoint, that's just completely unfounded...

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Well, see, that right there is exactly what psychology is all about. Even though we're talking about the identical amount of liquid in that glass, the moment you label it "half empty," you're subconsciously triggering a sense of scarcity, whereas saying it's "half full" creates this positive headspace... it focuses on what you actually possess rather than what's missing. The difference lies entirely in how you internalize and experience your own words.
Personally, my glasses are always half full, though I'll admit that wasn't always my default setting...

As for the power of autosuggestion, that's a non-negotiable truth for me. Thought is the primary, most potent energy we have, and everything flows from that initial spark. Your thoughts belong solely to you; they are your own private domain, something no one else can strip away or alter unless you give them permission to...

Scientific validation always plays catch-up anyway. So why wait around for a lab report to tell us what's true? We might as well start practicing the good stuff right now, and let science eventually stumble upon the proof later on... 😉

How do I stop racing thoughts? in Psychology · Aug 8, 2006

Stan Lee said:I can't just start thinking positively like that...

So, what’s actually stopping you? 🙄

It sounds like you're waiting for someone else to come along and pave the road for you, but you aren't a fan of how they do it, and honestly, you just don't feel like doing the heavy lifting yourself... 🙂

Everything is really just about repetition. When a negative thought starts creeping in, you have to catch it—be fully aware of it—and immediately flip it on its head into something positive. You have to do that every single time pessimism tries to grab hold of you. After a few days, or maybe a couple of weeks of this constant mental pivoting, you'll find yourself drifting toward optimism automatically...
Once you finally master that optimistic mindset, pessimism will feel totally irrelevant, distant, like a memory from a lifetime ago...

Just stick to the classics: a pessimist sees a glass as half empty, while an optimist sees it as half full!

Stop using those words that carry all that heavy, negative baggage, things like "I can't," "I don't have," or "I won't"... instead, try to lean into positive phrasing...

Try rewriting your own sentiment to: I can start thinking positively! Tell yourself that constantly, and your brain will eventually take the hint and realize you're issuing a new command. Your mind works just like a computer... whatever data you feed into it is what it spits back out, because it doesn't just invent stuff on its own...

At the end of the day, you can do whatever it is you want to do, it really just comes down to how much effort you're willing to pour into it... and let's be real, being an optimist takes some actual work... 😉
The world is a big, colorful place and we can all have a damn good time if we actually decide to... 👍