Posts by wanderinghawk17

Christian Anderson4 said:Why haven't your claims been proven for 20 years either? From what I can see, you're the one doing the attacking and spitting venom. You can't even manage to read someone else's arguments. If your only goal wasn't just arguing and insults, maybe you'd notice that I am personally against MLM marketing too. Even though there isn't serious research, the trend is toward increased consumption of Noni juice. In Germany, there are more than 30 registered companies selling it. People are drinking it; they aren't asking you for advice. And clearly, they are buying it again and recommending it, otherwise the market wouldn't be expanding the way it is. Noni juice is also sold for as low as €20, which is much more affordable than in an MLM. mlmuvjrojatno its price will drop even further in the future to bring it into more realistic ranges.

"My" people don't have anything to prove. It's the Noni manufacturers claiming their juice can fix this or that—so they're the ones who need to back it up. (And they haven't managed it in 20 years...).

I did read the arguments. They all boil down to substances that don't actually do anything for humans and aren't recognized by science as being effective. Plus, it keeps coming back to statements like "it's not useless." Well, a glass of water isn't useless either—but it doesn't cost $100!!!

Christian Anderson4 said:And why don't you recommend checking out the pages Zachary Castillo7 cited at the start of this thread? Why do you insist on sticking to your own supply? Let me be clear: No one is claiming Noni is a miracle cure for every ailment, but that doesn't mean it's worthless either.
There have always been critics and proponents of Noni. There will always be skeptics like you for everything and everyone.
It’s obvious you work for some pharmaceutical company—companies that are essentially nothing more than massive con artists.
After the banking sector, the pharmaceutical industry pulls in the largest profits in the world.
They even invent medical conditions, much like how menopause was declared. It used to be considered a normal stage of life; now you and your "researchers" label it a disease just to drive profit. Compared to the pharmaceutical industry, the money made from Noni juice is pocket change.

Give me a break. What about all those blatant lies I've stumbled upon from "Noni" dealers? It’s just a mountain of fabrications and unproven claims. And honestly, that's just one of the good guys. There are hundreds of them out there. They’re just drawn to the easy money they can make off naive—and often desperate—people who are just trying to grab onto any straw they can find... 👎

The wide-ranging benefits of Noni can be attributed to the following components:😛Proxeronin, amino acids, enzymes, vitamins, minerals, xseronin, scopoletin, damnakantal, etc.

So, what are the primary beneficial properties of Noni?

The Noni fruit contains 800 times more Proxeronin than pineapple, which until recently was considered the primary source of this ingredient. Proxeronin and proxeronase are two key components that allow the human body to produce Xeronin, the most vital alkaloid for regenerating all molecules within bodily cells. It essentially regulates cellular function.

When there's an insufficient supply of Proxeronin, our proteins can't perform their intended roles, leading to a compromised physical state that can manifest as various serious illnesses and ailments. In other words, increasing Proxeronin intake directly addresses the underlying issue. That’s where the effectiveness of Noni juice comes into play. Someone with low levels of Xeronin will experience various issues due to their proteins failing to function properly. By consuming Noni juice, a person introduces Xeronin into their system, which facilitates healthy protein function—essentially leading to overall wellness. To some, this might seem like a "miracle." The reason so many people describe Noni juice as "miraculous" is naturally due to its Proxeronin content, backed up by the actual results seen in individuals who supplement their daily diet with Noni juice. By using Noni juice, we provide our bodies with the fundamental tools needed to activate all internal functions and processes. Noni juice supplies the body with Proxeronin, which then regulates and creates the necessary amount of Xeronin, while any excess is simply absorbed, meaning that excessive Proxeronin intake doesn't cause any harm or side effects..

Xeronin and proxeronin possess exceptional antidepressant effects. These substances promote the release of endorphins, which results in improved mood and a sense of well-being. Additionally, they help alleviate debilitating pain caused by joint inflammation without being addictive.

On top of all that, xseronin triggers the body's natural anti-inflammatory mechanisms and boosts resistance against bacteria and viruses. Because of this, Noni is recommended for anyone who frequently suffers from upper respiratory infections.

Thanks to its damnakantal content, Noni provides outstanding protection against malignant developments, specifically slowing down the growth of existing tumors. In cases where tumors develop in the body, the levels of the enzymes xseronin, proxeronin, and proxeronase—which Noni contains in significant amounts—decrease. Due to its adaptogenic properties, it is capable of normalizing cells that aren't functioning correctly. Regular use of Noni contributes significantly to effective tumor protection.

They call this stuff the "Queen of Fruits" for a reason. It’s packed with 18 different amino acids that basically act as building blocks for muscle growth while simultaneously keeping your body from breaking down existing muscle tissue. If you're hitting the gym regularly, that kind of support is a game-changer. Plus, it’s loaded with special substances that help shuttle nutrients between cells, giving it a real regenerative effect.

Then there's scopoletin. This compound helps keep your thyroid functioning smoothly and bumps up your serotonin and melatonin levels. In plain English, that means it helps stabilize your mood and keeps your sleep cycle in check so you can actually adjust to daily shifts without feeling totally wiped. Noni also helps relax your arteries, which plays a massive role in bringing down high blood pressure triggered by stress and tension. On top of that, it improves tissue circulation and lowers the risk of blood clots, essentially acting as a shield against heart attacks and strokes. Because it’s heavy on antioxidants, it fights off the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, meaning it contributes significantly to preventing cardiovascular disease.

Another heavyweight ingredient in Noni is damnacanthal. Think of it as a sort of supervisor for cell and tissue division—it basically makes sure things don't spiral out of control. Since it helps build up optimal levels of T-cells, B-cells, and other immune and lymphatic cells, it basically does the heavy lifting for your immune system, helping it stay sharp enough to take down illnesses.

That’s quite a statement from someone who clearly only signed up just to try and "deal" some Noni juice.

Hypocritical...

...but honestly, I saw it coming. It’s been twenty years and they still can’t back up any of these claims with actual evidence, so when they run out of arguments, they just start attacking whoever they're talking to.

And just like that, guys like our buddy Christian Anderson4 are totally exposed...

http://noni.worldwidewarning.net/www...ionquarantine/

Do yourself a favor and read up on this. Unless, of course, you're perfectly happy staying blissfully ignorant while people promise you the moon and the stars just to line their own pockets...

Aren't you guys embarrassed selling "snake oil"? Honestly, where is your sense of decency?

Quote:
Andrew Weil, M.D.

Juice comes fra The noni or morinda tree found in The Polynesian islands as well as Hawaii. The tree produces a knobby, foul-smelling fruit that has been used as a traditional remedy by islanders, particularly as a laxative and topical application for skin ailments. Noni juice is a pricey, nasty smelling and sour tasting product aggressively promoted through multi-level marketing as a treatment for just about any health problem you can name: cancer, diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, arthritis, psoriasis, allergies, sinus infections, menstrual cramps, ulcers, depression, head lice and on and on. All this has resulted in $ 1 billion in worldwide sales for The company that manufactures and sells Noni Juice. Despite the health claims and the enthusiastic testimonials of customers, there is absolutely no scientific evidence that Noni Juice is an effective treatment for anything AT All. Although som laboratory research Has demonstrated potentially helpful effects on cancer cells, no human studies have been conducted so we have no way of knowing if the lab findings will translate into useful treatments for humans. A researcher in Hawaii received a small grant last year from the National Institutes of Health to conduct The First scientific study of Noni in human cancer patients. The most damage Noni Juice is likely to do is to your bank account. However, anyone with kidney disease should avoid it because its high potassium content could lead to high potassium levels , a danger when the kidneys aren't working normally. While IT is true that Noni Has been used in traditional Hawaiian medicina for many years, it was rarely taken internally, except as a laxative. Instead, parts of the plant were used for a poultice applied to wounds and used to treat skin disorders. You also might be interested to know that in 1998, the manufacturers of Noni Juice were charged by the Attorneys general of Arizona, California, New Jersey and Texas with Making unfounded health claims and were ordered to stop advertising the purported benefits until they could provide scientific backup. That hasn't happened . The government of Finland Has banned The sale of Noni Juice until ads are revised eliminating unsubstantiated health claims. My recommendation? Say "no" to Noni.

Back by popular demand... (and honestly, even if Christian Anderson4 is acting like a total nuisance with his "noni salesman" routine)

This stuff is actually worse than Coca-Cola...

France warns consumers OFF noni juice

Quote : [ EDIT ] Regulatory warnings and safety testing in August 2004. Quote : France warns consumers OFF noni juice The French food safety authority is advising consumers not to drink more Than 30 ml of noni juice per day as som Studies have linked IT with hepatitis.

AFSSA issued the statement in response to increasing numbers of noni juice products entering the US market.
Just this Week The UK's food authority Said IT Had received another application for marketing approval in The EU fra Hawaiian Noni.

But the French authorities, known to take a highly cautious approach to new food products, said it had very limited data on the tropical fruit's consumption.

It noted further that two recent publications had reported severe liver problems in three people after consumption of the juice. Thes appeared in The European Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology (2005;17:445-7) and the World Journal of Gastroenterology (2005;11:4758-60).

investigations into The cause of The problems is ongoing, it said, but drew attention to recommendations on the product's label for consumption to remain lower than 30ml per day.

It also repeated the advice from novel foods regulators that no health claim had been approved on this product and any misleading claims being made on the Internet should not be heeded by consumers.

I can only say it once more: twenty years and not a single shred of proof.

I really feel like people need a heads-up about this. We should be teaching folks what actual healthy eating looks like instead of letting them lean on these "miracle" drinks and pills that just don't do squat. If they actually worked, there would already be a legitimate study out there. Heck, the manufacturer would be the first one jumping at the chance to fund it. It baffles me that they haven't... I guess it just hasn't crossed their minds...😁

Honestly, I'm pretty much done with the debate. I think anyone with half a brain reading through this can make their own call.

Wishing the absolute best to everyone dealing with serious illness. I truly hope you all pull through and recover.

Later.

Christian Anderson4 said:As far as black and white magic goes, I know it exists and can actually work. But that’s a different conversation, not meant for this forum.

Should those all-caps letters actually mean something? ☕

Good luck... Just don't go telling her everything you read on here. That whole "miracle cure" autosuggestion stuff can really mess with your head...

Raymond Palmer8 said:Man, one of the creepiest torture scenes I've ever seen in an American movie...
I’m thinking of that part in Unforgiven where they try every way possible to squeeze info out of some tough guy—but since he just wouldn't crack, they pull out the ultimate wildcard.
They take a rat, call it Karl, put it on his stomach, cover it with a pot, and then heat the whole thing from above with a lantern. Once that little guy feels the heat, he starts digging through him to escape—you know how it goes...

"Meet Charles... Charles is always hungry."😁

Christian Anderson4 said:Nobody here is claiming that Noni is a miracle drug that cures all diseases. But it's also a fact that many doctors recommend it to those suffering from carcinogenic diseases—NOT AS A CURE, but rather for strengthening and boosting the body's resistance, given how much chemotherapy and such can weaken the system. So, as a supplement.
The truth is you have to watch out for the people selling it in MLMs, because they really do overpromise. Specifically, the company Morinda, or Tahitian International, boasts about having 200 millionaires in their network and paying out billions of dollars to their associates. They promise you'll have a bigger paycheck than 20 $0.00 if you become a distributor. You have to be wary of them. As for Noni juice, like what Zachary Castillo7 has been explaining all this time, we just have to wait for its effects to be scientifically established. The mere fact that it's been used from 1996 until now in the US and European markets means something. If it weren't effective, it would have vanished from the scene in a matter of months.

...even though there isn't a shred of proof that the juice actually does any of that. It's not like taking a spoonful of honey with an apple, or eating some sauerkraut, or just grabbing fresh fruit and veggies.
I guess I'm just saying that I don't see much point in throwing my money at a group of people who seem to be profiting off others' misfortunes, especially when I'm surrounded by things that are actually PROVEN to work.

If it didn't work, it would have vanished from the market in a matter of months.

That's not really a solid argument when you consider there's an entire MLM army and a multi-million dollar industry backing the sales. It's like saying local psychics must be legit because they've been "breaking curses" for hundreds of years... are you seriously suggesting they actually work?

Besides, after all this time (Noni has been around for nearly 20 years), there still isn't a single study proving positive effects of Noni on humans. How does that even happen? Ever wonder why? Everything we have is just studies showing how certain components affect bacteria colonies or some mice in a lab.

Let me ask you something: do you honestly believe that L'Oréal anti-wrinkle cream reduces wrinkles by 65.3%? Do you truly believe Orbit gum whitens teeth, or that Axe deodorant makes you a magnet for people? So why the blind faith in Noni? 😕

Zachary Castillo7 said:Oh my god, preservatives!🙄 I really wonder if you even pay attention to the preservatives in the food you eat!
And an argumentum ad hominem isn't an actual argument!🙄
I didn't insult you once, yet you felt the need to attack everyone who doesn't think like you. That says plenty about you...
Interestingly, you haven't refuted a single point I made.
I never wrote that it was a cure.
I emphasized that there are no clinical studies.
I warned about hepatotoxicity.
But Noni has shown effectiveness in vitro and in vivo (animal models). The only question is how promising someone finds that, and that's where we differ.
As for potassium—I don't see any danger there. That might be an issue for sick people, but not for healthy ones. By that logic, you could claim bananas, tomatoes, and leafy greens are dangerous because they contain huge amounts of potassium (my grandma won't eat them because of the potassium, but does that mean I shouldn't eat them?!).

My bad.

It really bugs me when people turn a profit off other people's misfortunes, and the Noni bandwagon basically launched on that exact premise: a miracle cure for everything under the sun. A bunch of lawsuits forced them to tone down the promises, but that doesn't suddenly make them Pasteur...

The reality is that people in MLMs are practically selling it as an elixir of youth. Like you said—without a shred of proof. The "evidence" usually boils down to compounds that show a positive effect on bacteria or mice...

And yeah, I bet you could find a ton of compounds in clover that act as antioxidants against bacterial colonies, too. It’s just that clover isn't "exciting" enough for multinational corporations that fleece (often sick) people to rake in millions. They need something exotic—a weird plant from Polynesia, bat wings, snake sweat...

I hope you get where I was coming from... You warned about hepatotoxicity, while I was warning about naivety.

You guys missed this part...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
Yum, preservatives...

Talk about naive... any biochemist can dig through a pile of junk and find something that shows a positive reaction in mice or some random bacteria. But whether that actually does anything for a human being? Well, that's a whole different ball game...

And nobody here has actually proven that. Not even the FDA managed to pin it down...

[edit] Regulatory warnings and safety testing in August 2004
In August 2004, the US food and drug Administration issued a warning letter to flora for violating section 201(g)(1) of the Federal food, drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) [21 U.S.C. § 321(g)(1)]. Flora made twelve unfounded health claims about the purported benefits of noni juice as a medical product, in effect causing the juice to be evaluated as a drug. Under The Act , this necessitates All safety and clinical trial evidence for The juice providing such effects in humans. [17]

The FDA letter also cited 1) absent scientific evidence for health benefits of noni phytochemicals, scopoletin and damnacanthal, neither of which has been confirmed with biological activity in humans, and 2) lack of scientific foundation for health claims made by two proponents of noni juice, Isabella Abbot and Ralph Heinicke[18].

Two other FDA letters have been issued for the same types of violations[19][20].

in The European union , after safety testing on One particular brand of noni juice ( Tahitian Noni, approval was granted in 2002 as a novel food by the European Commission for health and Consumer Protection Directorate-General. [21] In their report, the European Commission's Scientific Committee made no endorsement of health claims.

No noni products have achieved sufficient scientific foundation for being licensed as medicines or therapies. Companies today must still apply to The European Commission for health and Consumer Protection Directorate-General to have their own brand of noni juice included as a novel food under the initial approval.

[edit] health and research issues in 2005
In 2005, two scientific publications described incidents of acute hepatitis caused by ingesting noni. One study suggested the toxin to be anthraquinones, found in roots, leaves and fruit of the noni,[22] [23]while the other named juice as the delivery method.[24]

This was, however, followed by a publication [25] showing that noni juice 1) was not toxic to the liver even when consumed in high doses, and 2) contained low quantities of anthraquinones which are potentially toxic to liver tissue.[26].

The potential for toxicity caused by noni juices remains under surveillance by The European food Safety Authority (FDA)[27], individual food safety authorities in France[28], Finland[29] and Ireland[30], and medical investigators in Germany[31].

The Physicians Desk Reference for Non-Prescription Drugs and Dietary Supplements lists only one particular commercial brand of noni juice, with no side-effects mentioned.[32]Consumers of noni juice are advised to carefully check labels for warnings which may say, "Not safe for pregnant women" or "Keep out of reach of children."

Some commercial brands of noni juice can be high in potassium[citation needed]. While potassium is a valuable nutrient in a normal diet, persons with advanced kidney disease cannot excrete it properly and should avoid noni juice which has been known to cause hyperkalemia..[33]. Something else worth keeping in mind is how wildly different the mineral levels can be depending on which brand of Noni juice you pick up.[34]

If you're an athlete thinking about adding Noni juice to your routine, you might want to tread carefully. Two specific brands actually showed up on ConsumerLab.com's "Athletic Banned Substance Screening Program," where they test products against the prohibited substances listed in the World Anti-Doping Code.[35].

Look, there isn't a single shred of evidence out there suggesting Noni actually has any medicinal properties. Honestly, you could take juice made from some random weed growing in your backyard, claim it cures cancer, and it would be the exact same story...

Noni is supposed to be a juice from the fruit of the Polynesian morinda citrifolia tree. That tropical Island origin gives The Noni marketers som pretty exotic looking background pictures fra which to hype their snake oil. And you might think that since it’s a fruit juice, it couldn’t taste all that bad. Not so. The citrifolia fruit is so bitter it has to go through some very hefty processing to make it palatable.

Since it's technically a fruit, you'd naturally assume it carries some kind of nutritional punch, right? Especially since they market it as a health supplement. Well, let's look at the actual numbers. Recent independent lab work shows it's packed with tiny, negligible amounts of B vitamins and practically zero antioxidants—we're talking Vitamin A, E, carotenoids, and flavonoids. Sure, Noni has a bit of Vitamin C, but we're only talking 6 mg per serving. You'd basically have to chug 10 servings in a single day just to hit the RDA (Recommended Dietary Allowance) for Vitamin C. It also has some protein and calcium, but don't hold your breath. You'd need to knock back 22 bottles just to hit your absolute minimum protein requirements. At current prices, that's going to run you about $860 a day. As for calcium? You'd need to swallow 50 bottles to meet the RDA for a woman (or even more if you're pregnant—Lord help us!) at a staggering cost of nearly $2,000 a day.

So, here's the reality check: since there is zero legitimate research to support these "miracle" ingredients, and lab tests confirm the nutritional value is basically nonexistent, what are we actually paying for? It’s the same stuff snake oil salesmen have been peddling for generations—it's glorified SUGAR WATER! Noni Juice is 96% high insulin-producing carbohydrates. So, how do they manage to fleece so many unsuspecting people? They do it by spinning tall tales about the "results" they claim you'll see. It's the oldest trick in the book, used by scammers for decades.

Look, as a huge sci-fi nerd, I’ve gotta bring up Stargate. For about half the movie, things are actually pretty solid, but then everything just goes completely off the rails...

Come on now. It’s not all doom and gloom.

Cale is alright... though I've mostly just been spinning that anthology of his...

Man

🤣

Sorry, but this totally gave me flashbacks to the old Gvoš days. I mean, I can wrap my head around roller derby, but soccer? 😕

Fair enough. I guess if it ever makes it to the Olympics, we'll have to start taking it seriously...

Benjamin Barrett17 said:our new season is kicking off...
I’d love to get some thoughts on the paintball scene here in America...
Is it big enough? How much do people actually know about it, and what’s the general vibe...
Anything specific you guys want to know about paintball? (And if anyone’s more seasoned than me, please jump in and help out!!!🙏 )
There are plenty of clubs and enough players around, but let's try to get the word out even more!!!

Tomislav
www.paintball-vg.hr

You want my take, coming from someone who's been around the block:

The biggest hurdle for making paintball mainstream is just getting enough bodies on the field. Money isn't really the issue—honestly, I spend more on a night out at the pool hall with the guys than I do on gear. There are plenty of clubs, and lately, they've actually been stepping up their equipment game quite a bit.

The real headache is always trying to round up those 8 players you need just to have a decent game of rec-ball or speed-ball. In my opinion, clubs really need to step up their game when it comes to player outreach and actually building a community.

Personally, I’m always down to play, along with 3 or 4 of my buddies. But that's still not enough to make things happen. It’s on the clubs to bridge that gap and reach out to people. My crew and I wouldn't mind playing against strangers at all. Honestly, even if they're total rookies, no big deal—we can just mix the teams up. As long as we're playing, we're happy.

At the end of the day, you aren't going to see a massive organized league without a huge influx of recreational players.

To be blunt, the clubs are dropping the ball here. I don't see why it's too much trouble for a club to collect email addresses from interested folks and actually organize them. Even just sending out a mass text—it doesn't cost much to stay connected.

The young American water polo squad, coached by Emil Nikolić, just locked down the bronze at the World Championship in Long Beach after taking down Mexico with a solid 12:8 win. It was a huge moment, though the Canadians ended up walking away with the gold after beating Italy 9:6 in the finals.

Coming right off the heels of the senior team clinching the world title in Melbourne, these kids are keeping that winning streak alive. Under Emil Nikolić, this group just secured their spot on the podium at the World Junior Championships in Long Beach.

Things got a little tough in the semifinals when they dropped a match to Italy, but they really bounced back against Mexico. They showed some serious grit, jumping out to a 4:2 lead in the first quarter and never really looking back, eventually cruising to a comfortable four-goal victory.

As for the championship match, the Canadians took care of business against Italy, finishing with a 9:6 win (1:0, 2:2, 3:2, 3:1).

Reported via t-portal.....

restlessridge10 said:Another season where I’m just not going to give the Los Angeles Lakers much of my energy. They actually had a loyal fanbase, but they blew it all by catering to a few outsiders. Now you can go ahead and start your little fan clubs.

So, wait—are you saying the fans bailed because the team started bringing in people from out of town?