Posts by silentpilot6

Thomas Myers6 said:legione, you're in the wrong subforum again. 😁
This thread is meant for legal talk. If we want to dig into why this attack happened or get inside the heads of these kids—who look like they're all adults to me—we should probably move this over to psychology.
We had a similar debate over on the legal board regarding the verdict for the Luke Ritz murder, and I think vojky made some pretty solid points there.
Since these two guys are adults, they can be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, so we could be looking at sentences much longer than just a year.
But what happens when we're talking about minors who aren't legally responsible?
From what I understand, the law assumes these kids aren't quite capable of making rational decisions yet. That’s why they hand out lighter sentences instead of basically ruining someone's life before they've even started. It's essentially a second chance, based on the idea that after some "rehabilitation" and a bit of maturing, they might actually reintegrate into society and realize they have to own their actions.
The problem is, how do you actually tell who was just manipulated by a bad crowd or certain circumstances, and who is just fundamentally broken?

I opened this here because I rarely visit the Legal board, and while this certainly touches on psychology, it also involves sociology, societal structures, and the relationship between parents and children...
Regarding those juvenile delinquents, I support the American approach where certain crimes allow minors to be tried as adults. In cases of murder, that should absolutely be the standard...

What is going through their heads? Have you ever been in a fight? If so, you know the feeling, but that doesn't justify this kind of behavior.
There is a massive difference between a one-on-one confrontation or two groups of ten facing off... this senseless beating of individuals or small groups by a mob of 10 or 15 idiots is something else entirely.
I'd bet that individually, most of them are nothing, but they feel powerful in a pack... just guys 😂
A real guy would never participate in mob violence... if you think you're tough, then step up and handle it one-on-one—provided you actually have a reason.

The truth is, you can't even look at these kids the wrong way without getting in trouble.
Man, back in elementary school, I remember being pulled by my hair and even getting slapped once... and look, I didn't die, it didn't leave lasting psychological trauma, and it didn't turn me into a violent person. But imagine if a teacher did that to a kid today... they'd be kicked out of school in a heartbeat. 👎

I read today that the autopsy results suggest he most likely died from head injuries sustained during the beating, even before being run over by the car.

I join everyone else in hoping those attackers rot in prison for as long as possible... but I know what comes next. They’ll start claiming one was just a kid, or the other has a sick mother to care for... they'll argue they have no prior record and have always been "good boys." It's the same old song and dance to try and get them away with the bare minimum 😠 after they took a life. 😢

Peter Wright3 said:Male pedophiles are sick perverts, whereas female ones are basically a teenage boy's ultimate fantasy. 😁

🤣 😬
That’s about right... I think almost everyone (except maybe 😁 ) has fantasized about an older woman 😁 taking care of them...
But looking back... if some older woman had made a move on me when I was 15, I wouldn't call it assault, goodness gracious 😁

hollowtrucker77 makes a fair point... you have to take things one step at a time.
First, it’s a misdemeanor or getting caught in a brawl—maybe a month. Then it escalates to six months. If you somehow manage to hit a third strike, you better be prepared to spend a few years behind bars. It's a choice you make, but you can't tell me someone just "accidentally" ends up in trouble for a third time. 😲

Joshua Adams41 said:We need to establish a legal term called a "band" (when more than one person takes part in a crime). Committing a crime as part of a "band" should carry a minimum sentence of 5 years for every single member of that "band," plus their individual criminal responsibility on top of that.
Take the case of Luka Riz, for example.
He was jumped by four people.
Three of them were charged with assault, while one was charged with murder.
Think back to that brawl at Yankee Stadium where a group got into it—they couldn't pin down who actually committed the murder, so there was no murder trial at all.

Now, if crimes committed by a group were prosecuted this way, it wouldn't matter specifically which individual pulled the trigger or landed the fatal blow; what would matter is that the group's collective actions resulted in death. Every member of the group would be held responsible for the murder, and then you tack on their specific personal charges.

From what I've observed, intentional murders are handled that way—like the assassination of Pukanić—but when it comes to manslaughter or crimes without premeditation, like what happened to Luka Ritz, they don't apply it.
I think that’s exactly where the system fails.

And the sheer brutality being used? It's unbelievable.
You have a man lying unconscious on the ground, and they just keep beating him. Anyone with half a brain knows that a single strike to the head of someone in that state can be lethal.
I honestly don't think it used to be like this, regardless of how much people talk up the "good old days."
There used to be some kind of line, a point where enough was enough. Today, that moral brake has simply vanished from people's minds.

Hmm... I don't think that's a good example.
For instance, imagine you go out with two or three friends... one of them gets drunk, does something stupid, and beats someone up... you might have just been "standing there," perhaps even trying to de-escalate the situation, and in the end, you get hit with 5 years.
No... it can't work that way.

northernbadger4 said:People need to learn how to defend themselves if they don't want to end up in a situation like this. No one else is going to step in and protect them. It's an unfortunate reality. The law can't stop these things from happening; it can only punish them after the fact. But that doesn't mean much to someone who's already gone.

Man... you can't exactly expect everyone to be trained in self-defense, nor should that really be the expectation.
At the end of the day, unless you're Mirko 😬, if you get jumped by five or six idiots, it doesn't matter how much training you have...

Well, they just wouldn't have it.
As if they actually wanted to kill him. 😲 And please, let's not draw any comparisons between us and America. I sincerely hope we aren't like America and that we never become anything like it.

Whatever it is they refused to do, they can take it and shove it.
Beating someone and leaving them on a dark, deserted road...

Sentencing serves a purpose: prevention, rehabilitation, and setting an example for others.

Ten years in prison would certainly prevent that idiot from committing a similar crime during that time. Would it rehabilitate him? Honestly, probably not. Would it set an example? One isolated case might not, but if strict sentences lead to more convictions... if that becomes the standard, then at least some people might think twice. Even if it’s just one single moron who decides against an attack because a tiny lightbulb finally flickered in his small brain—that's a win. At least that.

I really thought the Luka Riz case would be a turning point... a signal that violence won't be tolerated here. But no. The message being sent is simply, "Go ahead, keep beating people up." 👎

http://www.nytimes.com/news/crime-story-article-215167

To summarize... a young man was brutally beaten just because he had an mohawk haircut. They left him unconscious in the street, where he was then struck by a car. He passed away in the hospital 😢

And once again, there will be a thousand excuses made for the idiots who did this. Once again, the attackers will somehow be treated with more leniency than the victim...

What can even be done? 🤷
I realize everything starts with how a child is raised at home—the values parents instill from a young age—but there will always be sociopaths out there who shouldn't even be allowed near children, let alone harm them. So what options are left?
The education system, society as a whole... perhaps sanctions. Harsh and swift ones (though that might be a utopia...)
Regarding the killers of Coco Gauff, practically nothing happened. One individual received a single year in prison... a damn YEAR 😢 👎 for murder.
The others faced nothing... once again, the laws and the system seem to protect juvenile delinquents, and in this specific case, murderers.
What kind of message have we sent?
"Go ahead, beat people up in the streets; nothing will happen to you... even if you kill them." 😢

Implementing maximum legal penalties for violent crimes could help. If the killers of Coco Gauff had been sentenced to the harshest possible punishment, it might serve as a deterrent to others acting similarly. Perhaps then, idiots like those mentioned in the link above would actually stop to think whether beating someone up is worth spending 3, 5, 10, or 15 years behind bars.
Maybe they would hesitate... maybe they would walk away. Maybe they wouldn't be reading about it in the crime news today... regardless, another young life has been lost. 😢

Hmm, it’s a slippery slope... specifically when discussing female predators 😬
Of course, we always have to determine if there was any coercion involved or if everything was entirely consensual.
I suppose one could argue that a 14 or 15-year-old doesn't truly grasp the weight of what they're doing 😬 (which is the honest truth), but regarding women in these situations... well, back when I was a 15-year-old high schooler, we had a substitute teacher at our school 😲... I actually confessed my love to her once in the hallway, haha (what was I thinking?) and thank goodness she "raped" me... she could have done it every day, multiple times over 👍

Furthermore, I was reading a news story online recently about a high school teacher in the USA who ended up in custody for having sexual relations with underage students.
They show a photo and 😲 🙏... she was absolutely stunning. It all came to light after one kid started bragging to his friends about how they were hooking up with this incredible teacher, which everyone else was secretly obsessed with 😬

Has anyone else had a chance to watch this movie yet?

When you talk about being "lower" in society, you're talking about true vulnerability. I was watching this documentary about people living in the sewers in Washington, D.C., 😢.
They are at the absolute bottom of the food chain. Even other outcasts look down on them with total contempt...

The filmmaker actually interviewed them along with a doctor who has been providing free medical care to these people for twenty years.
He mentioned that it frequently happens over the weekend—armed gangs or even just regular citizens will descend into the tunnels to kill them 😢.
Why? Beyond the fact that these killers are clearly disturbed, they know their victims are invisible. They know no one is going to file a report or bother investigating a murder in the sewers.
What’s most heartbreaking is hearing that sometimes, even local police officers are involved in these attacks. It's an absolute tragedy. 😢

copperharbor47 said:Man, that woman is just sick.

Also, it feels kind of stupid how sex workers are portrayed here as people nobody would ever actually look for!
I mean, they have friends, kids, parents... they're real people.

Someone will look for them, but who? When? How often?
You made a valid point about how serial killer victims are most often people on the fringes of society—individuals at the bottom of the social ladder.
Sex workers, the homeless, runaways... people without a fixed address or a way to be tracked.
The truth is, life isn't fair, and it’s unrealistic to expect the police to investigate the murder or disappearance of a sex worker with the same intensity they would for someone from the middle class, or especially someone wealthy. Serial killers understand this and exploit it. That's just how it goes. 🤷

aaaaaaa, you're at the firm with Admin 🙏 🙏 🙏... but when I really think about it, I'm on a first-name basis with your director 😛 so... 😁

Good grief... you are impersonating someone.
I am honestly not sure if I can protect you from His wrath this time around, and frankly, I have no desire to try anymore.
This INFIDEL is beyond saving.
Pour the sulfur upon him; administer a fitting punishment, Admin 🙏 🙏 🙏

Some forum users just don't get it... this is how you show respect to the supermoderators, and even we aren't allowed to address the Admins 😱 directly.
The last time I tried that, Tyndall 🙏🙏🙏 basically sent a swarm of locusts into my garden and turned my tap water into blood... I've definitely learned my lesson. 🙏🙏🙏

To the enlightened and esteemed supermoderator... on behalf of all the misguided and unruly forum members, I ask that you spare them your wrath. While entirely justified, they simply don't realize what they've done yet. They are young; they will learn.

Regarding Veleštovan, I implore you not to direct your indignation toward them; they are nothing more than dust beneath your feet 🙏

Michelle Alvarez8 said:Hey there, Mr. supermod. It’s Michelle Alvarez8 here—and yeah, I’m an alcoholic. 🙂

Alooooooo, you can't just address him directly like that... you have to ask permission first, and you haven't shown him the proper respect.

Mr. Moderator 🙏, please forgive this misguided and unrefined forum member. I beg of you.

It’s quite a burden to live in such ignorance... May I address you as "you" or 🙏
?

Yes, slywolf45, you hit the nail on the head... it's just a hobby. 🙂... I don't make a dime from my other hobbies either 😬, so why would I expect to get paid for this one?

Also, I want to clear up one common misconception: moderators cannot read your private messages. 🤣

I've been a moderator for about six years now, and even if such a thing were possible, I have absolutely no clue how to do it. Plus, it’s never once been mentioned on the moderator forum
nor has anyone in my communications with other mods or admins ever suggested that reading someone else's private messages is an option. Look, people hack banks, government agencies, the military, and so on... and sure, someone with actual technical expertise could probably intercept messages, but there is no built-in feature or option to read private PMs. Honestly, if I haven't run into that in six years, it simply doesn't exist... unless we're supposed to believe some conspiracy theory. 😬

stormystag16 said:As for the ad revenue side of things, I’d say the rates have jumped up quite a bit over the last five or six years... mostly just because there are way more users seeing those ads now
plus, let's be real, it's pretty much the go-to way to advertise these days anyway

I don't want to speculate on matters I'm not fully versed in. If anyone has specific insights, please feel free to share them...