So now the USTA is looking for government handouts for tennis players, and honestly, my heart just bleeds for them... You decide to pick up a racket in life—which most of these kids do coming from well-off families anyway—and then you cry about not having enough cash. May God grant us a total reset where all professional sports revert to amateur status and everyone just goes under. I’m just sitting here waiting for the day Dinamo, Hajduk, Rijeka, and the rest of them start begging the government for bailouts so they don't collapse. I mean, clearly, they're such "vital" parts of society...
The only ones who deserve help are companies actually doing business properly—those without freezes on their accounts, no debts to others or the state, and those capable of settling obligations from unpaid receivables while filing their taxes on time. As for everyone else, just shut them down. We've had enough of businesses surviving on the misfortune of others, dodging suppliers, and skipping out on taxes, only to file for bankruptcy and have someone like Lola just breeze into a brand-new company to repeat the cycle, leaving two or three more firms in debt and workers without pay.
A company that operates legitimately will always find a way to navigate these issues. But these guys drowning in foreclosures, buried under a hundred different loans, and knowing they can't even cover current expenses? They're the biggest scavengers out there trying to exploit situations like this. Just shut them all down.
Still stuck on this exact same point. Focusing solely on age as the deciding factor is nothing short of pure idiocy... Say, what if you just ignore the fact that roughly 20% of people under 30 deal with some kind of chronic illness? And let's not even push that boundary out to 50. What happens if the virus mutates slightly? Following your "just let everyone get infected" logic could lead to a massive spike in mortality rates. Nobody actually knows anything about this virus; I linked an interview earlier with a top virologist where the guy practically starts every single answer with, "We don't know enough about the virus yet, we can only speculate."
And you honestly think it’s okay to just let everyone catch it when nobody knows the first thing about the virus? It's all just empty theorizing and nonsense. Look, debate is fine, but calling someone stupid or ignorant just because they disagree with your specific brand of "expertise" is pretty pathetic...
I'll say it again: in most European Union countries where lockdowns and restrictions are in place, people aren't throwing tantrums because they understand it's necessary, and most actually follow the rules. It seems like everyone here just thinks they're the smartest person in the room.
Someone made a good point—now that the soccer season has been postponed, suddenly four million different coaches think they're world-class virologists...
I really hope this chaos in the sports world drags on for a while... maybe if most players refuse those contract cuts, we'll see total mayhem with the sponsors. I honestly don't know how Qatar Airways or Emirates will swallow all this, especially since Lufthansa is basically on life support right now. Sure, QA and US Soccer are essentially oil-funded government projects, but still...
Imagine if they just stop paying out damages entirely, half the players become free agents because clubs terminate their contracts, some teams go belly up, and new names emerge from the ashes. It would be damn interesting to watch, almost like hitting a massive reset button. To start things off, I’m rooting for more contract refusals and seeing a few clubs go bankrupt...
Kyle Lopez2 said: Don't screw with me. Jovic couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if he tried, let alone a ball.😵
Casemiro has been one of the main guys for years, yet somehow, like 90% of the bench players are pulling in a bigger paycheck than him.🙏🤣 Good grief, what on earth is going on? At this rate, Jovic could easily cover Kasemiro's entire paycheck.🤣 I honestly can't believe it if this turns out to be true.🐔
Damn, man, just a golfer and a foodie at the top of my list.🤣 I haven't seen any terrain in about a year.🤣 Maybe Flo will give Bart some credit.👍
I mean, some of them are definitely weird, but every single news outlet worth its salt is citing that Capsalary site... Some people are out here claiming Casemiro pulls in around $5 million a year...
According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher because of demographics—the nation has the second oldest population in the world—and the way hospitals record deaths.
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous, in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are considered to be dying of the coronavirus.”
“Upon re-evaluation by the National Institutes of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates showed a direct link to coronavirus, while 88 per cent of the patients who passed away had at leastone pre-existing condition— many had two or three,” he noted.
“This doesn't imply that COVID-19 didn't contribute to a patient's death; rather, it shows that Italy's fatality numbers spiked because a huge portion of the patients already had underlying health issues.”
I've already posted this,
What happened in Italy needs to be looked at through additional perspective. A scientific paper by A. and g. Remuzzi published in The Lancet in March 2020 showed that the average age of the first 827 deaths in Italy was 81 years old, and more than two-thirds had diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, or were former smokers. Essentially, these were the same people who likely would have died from the flu anyway if they hadn't been vaccinated. Furthermore, in a study by Rosano et al. published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases in 2019, the flu was attributed to 20,259 deaths in Italy during the 2014-15 season, and in the 2016-17 season...There have been a total of 24,981 deaths, even with vaccination efforts underway. This suggests that the final death toll from COVID-19 in Italy could end up being at least roughly comparable to those figures if current infection and mortality rates continue to decline in the coming days.
🤷 It’s kind of funny, but I just wanted to point out that the people passing away were likely going to die from something else anyway due to their critical condition. It's also a bit funny to say that Italy and Wuhan aren't exactly reliable sources when you're trying to calculate infection and mortality rates within the general population.
I'm not sure who "we" are supposed to be. If it makes you feel any better, I'm just representing myself here.
When it comes to estimating flu cases, most people just sleep it off or power through it without a second thought. Statistics only really capture the ones who actually end up seeing a doctor. Plus, it’s tough to draw a direct comparison between the flu and COVID-19, especially since we have a vaccine for the flu, there are no quarantines for it, and so many people already have built-up immunity.
But you can't really justify COVID-19 deaths by saying: "They would've died from the flu anyway if they hadn't gotten vaccinated against it" 🤷. If young people start dying, then you could argue they'd have died from cancer eventually, I guess.
That's like saying people who get run over by some maniac in a car would have died from HIV anyway if they were having unprotected sex with someone who had it.
You realize there isn't a vaccine or a cure for this yet, right? That's exactly why those high-risk groups get their flu shots—so they don't die. But here, they have zero protection, other than praying they don't catch it. It's basically a fifty-fifty shot.
restlesssurfer97 said:Honestly, it’s probably for the best that goats have no clue what’s going on, because if they actually followed social distancing rules, Paul Martinez73 would be absolutely nothing these days 😂
So, what animal nicknames are you guys using in your families? Mom = Goat, luckily she has no idea what's happening.
restlesssurfer97 said:Man, you really are just straight-up clueless, and honestly, I was only half-joking when I said you were an idiot 🤦
So, how’s the silence going on the soccer thread? 🤣 🤣 🤣
So, now that you've been banned, are you actually going to cry again just so they'll hand you back your permanent access...?
You dropped twenty posts here today, and honestly, every single one was a bigger load of nonsense than the last. You were just as out of line and full of it last time, too...
*Sigh*...
Some countries have actually gone and made wearing masks mandatory... 🤣 🤣
Everyone should probably just start wearing masks... 🤣 🤣
At the end of the day, even the Chinese authorities are finding the mortality rate is under 1%—despite those initial estimates of 3-4%—simply because these things are tallied and adjusted once the dust settles, accounting for the probability of undiagnosed cases.
Besides, a janitor in Charleston who was an early patient was only caught through random testing—which just proves it's impossible to track the spread accurately when we don't truly know who's sick and who isn't.
That's like saying HIV mortality rates are fake because people die globally without being recorded, or claiming they aren't recorded because there are still huge numbers in Africa that aren't in the statistics.
I'm not saying it's fake—just that there's room for error in measuring stats like this, especially while the epidemic is still peaking. Accuracy improves over time as tracking continues; I shouldn't have to explain that.
If there are tons of unreported infections, there are also plenty of unreported deaths. One rises with the other—you can cling to the known figures all you want, but you can't just erase the ones you think are imaginary.
Look, I already said there are unreported deaths, but the fact remains that practically no country knows who their "patient zero" is—which means the reliability of the data tracking is low.
We actually agree on that part, except for the fact that you're being contradictory. You can't make any definitive claims about mortality or how dangerous this is right now. That’s my whole point: it's foolish to speculate until the dust settles or we have a truly representative sample. You can't determine danger levels based on 300,000 infections when the numbers are shifting every single day. And let's be honest, the Chinese data is totally unreliable and should probably be tossed out of all global stats, whether we're talking about infection rates or deaths.
I can respect your opinion that the final numbers might end up looking milder than the flu, but I'm just not buying that claim. So far, nothing suggests it's less dangerous than the flu. Even if that 1% figure you keep pushing turns out to be true, you'd have to admit that 1% is significantly higher than 0.1%, making it much more dangerous by comparison.
Watching a user face their own sheer stupidity head-on is honestly like music to my ears. 😂😂
Instead of crawling back into your little hole, you're out here providing us with all this new entertainment, and honestly, I really appreciate it.
Now do me a favor and get lost. You're sitting there counting your measly minimum wage earnings like they actually matter, though I bet you don't even know the difference between gross pay and what hits your bank account. You might have over 30 gigs of gear, but you act like some spoiled brat with a low IQ, trying way too hard to be funny with those pathetic little emojis. Maybe if you were part of the toddler generation, you'd actually fit in at that level.
Add in all that sponsor money and bonuses, and your daily take will look just as ridiculous as you do. $167 Now go back to your pacifier until you finally mature enough to hold a real conversation.
restlesssurfer97 said:500 $0.00 So, if you do the math on that 365 figure, we're looking at roughly 182 million bucks, which translates to about 24.4 million euros if you're tracking it that way.
Forget about all those numbers, man, that’s way too much math for you anyway, so you might as well just go ahead and send over those funds instead. $33.
What are you even sucking on $33 for? ☕ Didn't you just sit here crying about wanting a perm? Go back to sobbing somewhere else, serious topics clearly aren't for you.
So, apparently some soccer players just dropped 500,000€ to help out with COVID-19 and the Earthquake. The little guy makes enough daily to cover $167, so if we assume everyone chipped in about 25,000€, our average Joe basically handed over a third of his daily pay... Talk about pure patriotism, right? I guess I’ll just go ahead and donate $33 so I can brag about it on Twitter and wait for the applause...
Anyway, Sime donated 62,000€ to Zadar Hospital, while Unknown sent money to Livno 🤷
Anthony Jackson2 said:Look, anyone with a basic grasp of statistics is going to tell you those figures are off. 🤷
For data to actually mean anything, you need verification—absolute certainty. Can you even prove the infection count listed here is accurate? An Italian virologist already noted they saw a massive spike in unusual pneumonia cases back in early December—meaning there's a real chance the virus hit Italy long before they even started tracking it.
Spain is seeing the same thing—they exhumed a body only to realize it was the first death from COVID-19. They have zero clue when the virus actually arrived or how many people were infected.
Then you have Germany—they don't test people who die outside of hospitals for the virus, so they effectively have no idea what their actual death toll looks like.
Statistics is a science built on foundations—what you're throwing out here is just baseless rambling.
But sure, go ahead and claim the mortality rate is low or similar to the flu. Or maybe argue that the numbers are high only because everyone is getting hospitalized and tested? Do you see the contradiction there? What are you even basing these assumptions on, since you haven't provided a shred of evidence for this "six weeks of mild cases" theory... maybe you'll actually have some proof for this part?
That’s like claiming HIV mortality rates are fake because plenty of people die worldwide without being recorded, or arguing that people aren't being recorded in the stats because there are still huge numbers of cases in Africa that aren't tracked.
Why focus on anything other than reporting the confirmed cases and the outcomes of those reported cases? If there's a massive wave of unreported infections, there's an equally massive wave of unreported deaths. One rises with the other; you can try to nitpick the known figures all you want, but you can't just delete the imaginary ones you think are more accurate...
restlesssurfer97 said:Around here, officials are wearing masks half the time and skipping them the other half. Some cynical people might try to claim they’re ditching them just because there’s a shortage, thinking it’s a way to dodge public backlash against the government structures that demand huge sacrifices from everyday Americans while failing to provide even the most basic necessities. But honestly, those people are just being bitter.
The local politicians and Unknown are having these intense one-on-one chats, standing just two meters apart with their masks on. Total idiots.
Instead of facing it head-on, you're just getting screwed in the rear...
restlesssurfer97 said:So, what even counts as a lie?
From the get-go, the claim has been that successful countries are the ones forcing everyone to wear masks. In reality, nobody is actually doing that—well, maybe in China. Most places are just suggesting you wear one if you're sick or if you're hanging out with someone who is.
And let's not even get started on how most people wearing them aren't even doing it right...
restlesssurfer97 said:When are we actually going to start communicating sense instead of this absolute nonsense?
The countries that are actually winning this fight against the Coronavirus are telling everyone to wear masks and they’re running massive testing operations everywhere, meanwhile here, they barely tested 2,000 people and then have the nerve to send out messages claiming masks don't even matter. (And please, don't come at me talking about how it's just cotton masks, because the article mentions surgical ones too, and besides, how is anyone supposed to even know they're sick if they aren't being tested before the symptoms even hit?)
Are we really trying to act like we're the smartest people in the room again?
So apparently healthy people don't need to wear masks? But those exact same healthy people are the ones facing movement restrictions and lockdowns. Who is actually being crazy here?
I mean, isn't it just basic logic that if absolutely everyone wore a mask, the contagiousness would drop by at least some significant percentage? But no, we can't use that reasoning because apparently the sick person shouldn't know they're sick, and because wearing two masks—one on the sick person and one on the healthy person—is somehow better than any mask at all, or because wearing a mask means you're less likely to accidentally rub the virus into your mouth or nose with your hands, and so on and so forth.
We don't even need to bring "common sense" into the conversation, just look at the places that are actually handling this successfully. Over there, everybody wears masks. And they are doing massive testing.
Kyle Lopez2 said:Honestly, if you're really that obsessed with Wuhan, maybe you should just focus on Italy instead. They’ve got a 9% infection rate spreading through hospitals filled with the most vulnerable people—folks who probably wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.🙏 Why didn't you pull the mortality data for Korea, Japan, or China outside of the Wuhan area?🤔 Man, I don't know what to tell you—your data just doesn't seem to line up.
We're just cherry-picking bits and pieces now, aren't we? It’s getting a little ridiculous.☕ Why on earth would you think anyone’s asking me anything, or that I’m under some kind of delusion thinking I actually *should* be asked?🤔 Is talking about politics officially banned now by some kind of commissar's decree?
If you're going to label me a sociopath, then fine—I’ll call you an emotional wreck right back, mostly because that seems to be how your mind works.
If I’m reading this right and they expect these quarantine measures to stay in place for five or six months just to build up herd immunity, then I don't exactly need a PhD to figure out that I'll be completely broke by then. What happens after that? I'll be stuck choosing between taking out a loan equal to the entire GDP or just driving around a few times to stay warm once fall and winter finally roll around.☕ I’m actually looking forward to seeing interest rates climb by a few points.
If you really want to wage a full-scale war against a crisis, go ahead—you’ll just be staring down a mountain of medical supplies where a single vial costs more than a used car, leaving you to fight tooth and nail for every single life. Personally, I try to be a bit more selective about which battles I pick.
What exactly makes you think I’d stand in the way of saving a family member's life? You seem to think I’m oblivious to the fact that my own people could be at risk too. Am I supposed to just shift my political stance out of fear—like claiming I'm "well-connected" just so I can secure a cushy job—when the reality is we already have plenty of hardworking people doing the work? 🤷 I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave your own kids out on the streets facing those kinds of fatal risks. 🤷
Dr. DarkRaven, do you just have a crystal ball that tells you exactly when someone's time is up? I have someone in my own family dealing with a serious illness right now; they've already fought through two nasty bouts of the flu and their strength is basically gone. If this whole mess hits them and they pass away, would you just shrug and say, "Well, they were going to die soon regardless" or "They would have died from the flu anyway"?
God, you look ridiculous trying so hard to justify your takes just so you can play judge and jury over whether someone is ready to go. If someone is sitting in a hospital bed, they're pretty much ready to die regardless. 🙏
And while we're at it, let's settle this: are there really this many victims and full hospitals because everyone is getting tested, or is the death rate so high simply because only the critical cases make it into the official stats while most people just recover at home?
We should probably apply that same logic to the mortality rate of the flu, too. Is every single case of the flu being tracked? If we’re looking at a 2% mortality rate here versus 0.01% for the flu, and you try to argue the number is ten times lower just because most people recovered at home without hitting the statistics, then we have to apply that exact same reasoning to the flu.
The premiers in various German states are probably just more Bozinovics, and you see the same thing in France and pretty much any other country that went full lockdown mode with their own versions of Bozinovic. They all need to be dragged before the courts and slapped with minimum penalties from $5.00 just to get this whole mess under control.
Right now in Bavaria, you can go to work or hit the grocery store without anyone giving a damn about "pruning fruit trees" or anything else... it’s not even on their radar. I’m telling you again, it’s that classic North American mentality—suddenly everyone needs to travel everywhere, when until recently their entire existence was just "work-home-TV," and now everyone’s out there pruning orchards or feeding livestock. It’s not even an issue, really; you just write to the local authorities saying you have animals at a certain location that need feeding, and boom, you've got your permit.
People love pointing fingers at police state conspiracies and the repressive machinery of government, but those same people would have been the first to whine about incompetence or cowardice if nothing had been done, citing Italy as the ultimate example of why we needed lockdowns. Honestly, I think some of the same forum users who are currently attacking Bozinovic were the ones earlier calling Italy a textbook case of total failure, but I don't feel like digging through the archives right now.
If anyone tries to break self-isolation and come crawling back, I'd personally love to take them out with a heavy-duty stapler...
Anthony Jackson2 said:A lot of nonsense in these images—first off, the hospitalization rate looks inflated because basically everyone with Corona gets pushed into a hospital regardless of how mild their symptoms are, whereas with the flu, you only go in once pneumonia kicks in.
I'm with Rudan on this one—it's highly unlikely the mortality rate is over 1%.
Then maybe you and Rudan should actually look at the data. According to various studies, the death rate in China is 1.4%. But hey, let's just wait for the final numbers and see if your "hardly above 1%" theory holds any water. So far, the facts say otherwise.
About 1.4 percent of people in Wuhan, China, who became ill with the coronavirus died, according to a study published Thursday in the journal Nature.
The finding is consistent with a study from last month which also found the case fatality rate — or the number of deaths divided by the number of diagnosed cases — to be 1.4 percent, based on statistics across China.
And while it is lower than an estimate from the WHO earlier this month that said the case fatality rate from the coronavirus could be as high as 3.4 percent globally, experts still said the figure was alarming.