briskpuma23 said:I know it’s not exactly trendy to advocate for large families these days, unless you’re coming from the Catholic Church—but it’s easy for them to talk when they don't even recognize their own kids.
To be clear, my stance on needing at least five kids has nothing to do with some nonsense about "procreation" or any kind of moral crusade.
The truth is, you have children for your own sake.
When our time finally runs out, most people—especially people today—will find it pretty hard to sing My Way while looking back at their lives as a selfless sacrifice for others. There's no way. Most of us are just focused on how to cut corners, how to get the most out of life while spending the least, how to hustle, how to score a weekend trip to a beach house, then head to work, maybe join a committee, and so on. In short, we'd rather people didn't judge us by our actions.
And given the kind of shallow people society has turned us into, we can barely manage to bring one child into this world; having two would already feel like an incredible sacrifice.
Because we are so spiritually numb and, let's be honest, lazy and immature, we’ll probably end up ruining the kid too. We’ll pass all our neuroses down to them, instill hypochondria and cynicism, blast them with antibiotics the second they cough, and then complain at the office about how "fragile" our child is. Besides, if you spend your time talking about your kid at work, only the worst kind of boss would actually trust you with a serious project. So, that one child becomes the perfect excuse to stay lazy and avoid doing any real work.
But again, after fifty or sixty years of dodging actual life, retirement rolls around with its tiny pension, and you realize that your one precious child doesn't really love you. They’re busy living their own selfish little lives with an equally rotten spouse and an only child of their own—an obnoxious, spoiled brat who won't even bother to visit Grandma. That's when you realize you have nobody.
That wouldn't happen if you had managed to have five kids. Granted, one would probably be an idiot. One might get hit by a bus, but that still leaves you with three healthy individuals. Healthy because, by necessity, they had to learn how to share, and because you didn't have enough time to focus all your dysfunction on just one person, they didn't develop those stupid neuroses. Plus, a big family naturally builds a competitive spirit, starting from when they're toddlers fighting over fries at McDonald's during a Happy Meal you take them to on Sundays because you're too lazy to cook a Sunday roast.
And those three healthy ones will actually love you. They’ll remember how warm and happy the home felt, conveniently forgetting the fact that it was only warm because you could only afford to give them one bedroom. They’ll turn all the flaws of their upbringing into beautiful memories. And they’ll take care of you in your old age because they grew up to be decent people. When you die, someone will actually cry for you. And honestly, there’s nothing more a person can wish for than that.
Look, I’ve got a few points to throw out there:
Look, just to be clear, it’s not like I don't want kids because I don't like them or anything. I mean, I actually totally adore them. It's just... I don't know, maybe I just don't want that life for myself right now? I guess it's more complicated than people think. 🙂I mean, I don't know, maybe I just wouldn't be able to raise them right, which honestly feels like a much bigger deal than just having the love or the desire to have kids in the first place. You’ve gotta be a whole, functional person yourself if you want to raise a whole, functional human being. And let's be real—and I'm including myself here, just to stay fair—a huge chunk of people out there just aren't that.
It’s honestly pathetic how some people build their entire sense of self-worth around nothing more than raising kids. You know the type—they spend years acting like they’re saints, only to turn around later and weaponize that same upbringing against their own children. They start piling on the guilt trips, making everyone feel like an absolute monster because their parents had to "sacrifice" everything for them. Look, I get it, parenting is a massive sacrifice. Believe me, I'm a bit of a mess myself, so I totally get the grind. But it shouldn't be *only* about the sacrifice. It’s not like some twisted martyr complex you see in those old religious stories where people try to act like suffering is their whole personality. It's just not right. 🙂 I mean, look, you really need to actually live a little first. You’ve gotta go through high school, maybe hit up some community college or a university, get out there into the workforce, whatever... you just need to mature mentally before any of this becomes a thing. I guess the criteria shouldn't just be about whether someone has healthy reproductive organs or something. It's deeper than that.🤷
Look, let's be real for a second—money matters. It’s huge. Honestly, it might even be the most important thing on the whole list. I mean, anyone can have five kids, right? That part is easy. But actually raising them? How are you supposed to do that without them feeling every single bit of the struggle? If you don't have the funds, their quality of life is just going to tank, and that's a heavy thing to deal with. I guess it's just... complicated.
I don't know, I feel like you're kind of romanticizing the whole thing. Like, sure, it sounds pretty on paper, but maybe it’s all just a little too unrealistic? I guess it's just a bit unserious if you ask me. 🙂
Wait, hold up... so you’re saying you didn't sacrifice anything for anyone else just because you don't have kids? I mean, whatever. You sacrificed for yourself, and honestly, that counts for just as much, I guess. 😉 Unless you actually think you're somehow less important than everyone else? 😁 Look, I’m gonna start rambling again, but here's my two cents on this... I honestly think this whole obsession with cranking out kids comes from a deep-seated lack of self-love. I'm not saying you hate yourself or anything—it's not like you're advocating for having kids because you despise your own existence—but I guess that massive urge to create a literal clone of yourself suggests some kind of insecurity. Like, maybe you feel inadequate on your own? For me, personally, it kind of hurts to even think about—from that perspective, anyway—whether anyone will actually love me or if I'll leave any kind of mark on this planet. Maybe that's why I don't really feel that social pressure to procreate. And even if I did feel it, there are plenty of other ways to find purpose... I don't know, maybe through work, learning stuff, or just being creative...
Look, it’s not like I’m some shallow materialist obsessed with self-actualization or whatever blah blah blah (I mean, if you actually saw my life, you'd get what I mean 🤣), it's just that I honestly think how someone is raised matters way more than the society they grow up in (Lady Gaga and all those pop star types totally mess with kids' heads, for sure 🤣). Because of that, I feel like people should be a little more... thoughtful about the whole idea of having kids and raising them.
Ugh. I need coffee. Like, right now. 😳
And no, I'm not saying I'm 100% right here. I'm just throwing some counterpoints at your arguments.