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GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
redheron12 said:It's funny how our little forum sweetheart is suddenly so concerned about Button.😍

Button was never a "number two" driver; nobody ever actually said that or ordered him to let Hamilton past. The only thing was that he wasn't permitted to engage in those foolish, risky, and completely unnecessary battles against his teammate. We saw exactly how that plays out over at Red Bull.

By using a smart, disciplined approach, a team with only the third fastest car can actually lead both the constructors' and drivers' championships.

It’s no secret that he’s my forbidden love. 🤣

Nobody ever actually said Jenson was just a number two driver. I guess people just like to jump to conclusions.

🤣

Wait, are you actually trying to argue that Jenson Button isn't the number two driver at McLaren?! 🤣 Muahaha 🤣

I really don't feel like going over those McLaren-esque little inside jokes again, nor am I in the mood to deal with that recent schizophrenic screaming: Jenson, we really need to watch the fuel consumption here; it's looking pretty critical. I guess you really have to prioritize saving fuel. 🤣

Nobody ever actually ordered him to let Lewis through. The only thing they didn't allow him to do was get into those stupid, risky, and totally unnecessary scraps with his own teammate. I mean, we've already seen exactly how much of a disaster that looks like over at Red Bull.

So, I guess Lewis is just allowed to dive into those stupid, risky, and totally unnecessary battles with him? 😉 If you didn't happen to have one of the smartest, most level-headed drivers like Jenson Button as a second driver, we probably would've been watching a total McLaren disaster shortly after that mess with Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber. If they had paired him with two Lewis Hamiltons instead of Button, things would've gone south fast. Honestly, I don't know how you can even bring that up without feeling a bit embarrassed. 😁 It was pretty wild seeing how that clash actually went down. I guess you have to wonder what might have happened if Jenson hadn't been playing it safe by managing his fuel, or if he had just decided to hold his racing line instead. 😛 😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:True, but why even bring up "respect for the sport"? It’s obvious everyone else—and by that, I mean McLaren too—is trying to make fools out of those of us actually watching Formula 1.

I guess it's more like McLaren makes us look like idiots by being "subtle" about it, pulling these masterclass maneuvers to cloud our vision, when it's actually quite clear what's happening... rather than Ferrari, who doesn't even attempt to pull any nonsense to mislead us.😍

😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
stormybadger8 said:Yeah, and Sebastian Vettel is a massive jerk because of some wing issue, just like the entire Red Bull crew, but apparently that's totally fine.🙏

I wasn't exactly Team Webber in that scenario 🙂 😁

To me, it seems perfectly normal and justifiable that Vettel was given that wing 😳😁

My only real gripe is that the team isn't making things clear to their drivers—stuff they really should have figured out by now 😁 And they've allowed this level of internal chaos to happen... which might just cost them both championships, if it hasn't already 😵
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Morgan Murphy7 said:That's exactly how PAto works!

If you ask me, these bans are completely pointless.

If everything had been played fair back in 2007, Kimi Räikkönen would never have been champion because he wouldn't have had to yield to Felipe Massa.

Of course the team is going to order someone to let another pass when even a fool can see that 25 points are far more vital for Alonso than for Massa, given that the latter still has a shot at the title.

How many posts did you guys manage to pump out while I was busy making my way through the Metro? 🙂 😁

Anyway, I agree that banning team orders is a complete joke. That rule is basically just dead ink on paper at this point. Nobody actually enforces it, nobody can realistically enforce it, nobody actually wants to enforce it, and I doubt anyone here is under any illusions about how that works. 😁 So why the sudden shock today, then? 😁 What have you guys seen lately?

Does it bother anyone else that there was just so much going on? I guess I'm wondering if it felt a bit overwhelming to everyone else too. Obviously.Yeah, I agree. It looks ridiculous, honestly. It’s just embarrassing to watch the drivers being forced to act like idiots for no reason.

Everyone involved—including us—is well aware that team orders and strategic decisions aren't going anywhere. They exist in every single garage on the grid. It's common knowledge that in Formula 1, the team's overall interest takes precedence over any individual driver's ego. Personally, I think that’s actually quite reasonable given the circumstances, and it’s honestly how things have to work if you want to win.

It’s pretty obvious that within McLaren (and even outside of it), Lewis is treated as the clear number one driver. Even though he's technically officially labeled as number two— The current world champion.😲 Even though he definitely still has a shot at the title. 😉 Lewis might have that slight edge in raw pace, but if you ask me, Button makes up for it with other qualities. Honestly, though, if we’re being real about it, the biggest injustice here has to be at McLaren. I guess if anyone deserved to be number two more than anyone else on the grid, it probably wasn't Button.

When you look at the numbers, Massa was clearly outclassed by Alonso. There’s really no debate about who the more complete driver is when you weigh everything up. Honestly, given the massive gap in points between them, I guess Ferrari's move was pretty much the only logical step left. The reasons behind it are obvious and have been discussed to death already.

Someone mentioned that this isn't quite the same situation as when Kimi took his title, arguing that back then it came down to the final race and whether he could clinch it or not. I guess it’s not all that different here, though. Massa doesn't really have a realistic shot at the championship anymore, whereas Fernando still has a path if everything aligns perfectly—assuming he drives flawlessly and gets a decent bit of luck on top of it. From where I'm sitting, Ferrari was facing a real dilemma today: they could either play this hand and stay in the hunt for the title, or just throw in the towel entirely. And apparently, this is all because of some supposed "moral code" regarding avoiding team orders? We all know those exist; honestly, teams don't even try that hard to hide them, let alone anyone else.

In my opinion, the only way Ferrari actually messed this up was by ignoring what everyone else is doing—something we all know for a fact is working. Everyone’s getting to work. He didn't exactly make it "less obvious." I guess it’s a massive blunder once you actually take a closer look. wow. 😁It’s pretty obvious Ferrari knows the Formula 1 fanbase isn't stupid, so there's really no point trying to insult our intelligence by hiding or using some nonsensical camouflage for things everyone already knows are happening. 😁 It's standard practice for basically every team on the grid.

I agree this was laughably transparent, but it just proves how unenforceable this ban is—given how much people use coded language anyway—and how ridiculous it is. They should just scrap it.

Now, if we want to talk about the moral side of things, which seems to be what everyone here loves to lecture one another about, then from a purely ethical standpoint, it makes zero difference whether something "immoral" is done overtly or subtly. 😁

It doesn't make an act any less immoral if, for instance, Kimi wins a title because of the exact same reasons, it just happens that Kimi is everyone's favorite, so we all happily cheer him on. Meanwhile, if Alonso does it, it's suddenly seen as more immoral simply because he's the easiest target for people to hate. 😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Honestly, give it a rest 😁 It didn't seem to bother anyone when Button was treated just the same during that whole fuel shortage mess involving a different driver code 🤣 they banned him from chasing Lewis 😛 I suppose there isn't much difference once you strip everything else away 😉
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Michael Lee4 said:Poor Felipe, man. 😢

Jessica Ramos12 said:Man, I actually feel bad for baby 😢😢

Me too... though I guess it's his own fault since his points situation is such a mess 😳😬

Plus, he was just slow all day today 🤷 If he hadn't been, maybe we wouldn't even be having this conversation 😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Henry Morris3 said:And now they really need to slap them with a penalty for this. Especially Fernando... he’s the one who needs it most.

Why though?! They didn't even say anything to him, just that Fernando was faster 🤣

Besides, Kimi won the title the exact same way once, and we all celebrated and called Massu a hero, not some loser 🤣🤣🤣
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Alright... Fernando... is just faster... than you.

Can you confirm you understood that?


Ahahaha 😂😂😂

Forza Ferrari 😬

And there he goes 🤣 I honestly suspect Massa let him pass on purpose, just to make it look obvious 😬 jadan Bejbi, what a joke 😳
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Besides, Button is better looking and taller. 😁

PS Webber was a total disaster during the whole race.

Exactly!!!!! 🙂 😁😁😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Edward Howard2 said:Lonzo decided it was time to take matters into his own hands🙏

Come on 👋 👋 👋

veli Blaž claims that if you use *if only* logic, Nando would be leading the championship 😍 😁 But if we hadn't dealt with all those trophies and penalties, I guess 😳 😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Chris Ortiz said:Until the checkered flag drops, I am primarily focused on watching the battle between Hemić and Gumbek. My intuition tells me that Gumbek holds the edge in raw pace, and I fully expect him to make his move as we approach the closing stages of the race. To be perfectly honest, I have a strong conviction that McLaren is subtly, and quite unfairly, prioritizing Hemić's position over the other, which is something I find deeply dissatisfying. This race should provide some much-needed clarity on the matter.

I’d have to agree with 😳. Actually, they’re pushing him way more than they push Ferrari Alonso. You can see it clearly now... if Hemić were trailing Button (just like Nando is behind Massa right now) and still had this many points in the standings, things wouldn't look like this. There's no way they'd let Button have a shot at this 😳

And honestly, the gap between Button and Hemić (in terms of skill, points, and the fact that Button is the reigning world champion!) is much smaller than the massive gap between Nando and Massa when you look at everything else 😳
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Michael Lee4 said:I can already picture the press conference and the look on Williams' face if things stay this way.

😬

But honestly, I doubt it... Nando would probably grow wings before he actually lets that happen. 😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Michael Lee4 said:Yeah, they just forgot to mention that part.😁

Or maybe they didn't, and they just lied and said they did.🤣

🤣🤣🤣🤣
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Oh, looks like Nando just snagged the fastest lap 🤣
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Ryan Gomez4 said:It shouldn't be this hard to just get through the day without feeling like you're being constantly pushed around. 🤷

😬

There we go, Massa grabs the fastest lap after getting a bit of a lukewarm reception from his race engineer 😁 😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Jason Campbell70. 😁 😎

🙏🙏🙏

😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
So much for the idea that Baby is just a second driver 😲
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
Michael Lee4 said:Who’s the handsome one here?

Nando or Button🤷 😁
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
rustystag7 said:It's an easy fix, really. Just look at the telemetry and strip them of every single point they earned today...

And maybe toss in another 20 or 30 points just so everyone else sees how it's done...

Then they can go ahead and keep playing their little tactical games...

Seriously, if there aren't any penalties after this, I don't see why they won't just be blunt on the team radio: "Move out of the way, Alonso, get out of the line, bye."🤷

It's not even a debate anymore; it's just a complete mess...

It's the same logic as screaming at Jenson Button that his fuel is critical and he REALLY needs to save gas...😁 😁 😁

If they get penalized for that kind of thing, then I guess Ferrari should be penalized for this too.🤷
GP Germany - 07/25/2010 in Formula 1 ·
I guess it's time for Gumbek to start putting the pressure on Lewis now 😁