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GPU Buying Guide - (Read first post) in Desktops ·
Nah

RX 480 8 😬

That’s actually a solid starting price once they finally get them back in stock.

Basically, if you filter for everything instead of just what's currently sitting there, you'll see their prices should be pretty decent once they restock. It beats dealing with this overpriced junk being sold right now—like seeing an RX 470 8 GB going for over $200.
Best wireless adapter or network card to buy? in Desktops ·
If your router is downstairs, you’re gonna need a Wi-Fi extender—check out those plug-in ones that go right into the outlet...
GPU Buying Guide - (Read first post) in Desktops ·
I'm holding out for something else at $2,200 😬
GPU Buying Guide - (Read first post) in Desktops ·
I’m looking at about $67 difference between the GTX 1060 6GB and the GTX 1060 8GB (from the same manufacturer) because that’s a tangible gap, and that's how things look on the market right now (for example, a Strix GTX 1060 versus a Strix GTX 1060)
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
Seriously, wiredotter14, give it a rest with the constant talk about your build... now I have to ask if you even bothered reading my last post, especially that final paragraph? 😁

I never once compared my setup to yours, but since you’re so insistent, I’ll address your choice. There was someone over on Reddit—maybe Marvel or one of those guys—mentioning that people were heavily advertising the Z4 cases, specifically how the start/reset buttons tend to fail. That doesn't mean it's a bad case; it's actually a solid pick for a budget build at that price point, but if we're talking about $3.25 long-term use over 5+ years, I wouldn't personally put it in my rig.
Regarding the power supply, do you honestly think that Fortress unit (which is a decent budget option) will be delivering the same juice as a Corsair after 7 or 8 years? Look, I'm repeating myself here: I have zero issue with what you picked, and I don't get why you feel the need to defend it so hard 🤷 I just said I'd go a different route for myself. It's a matter of preference, not an attack on your taste.

At the end of the day, the guy made his choice, and I'm done commenting on his specs. Mods, can we move this to a chat or a different thread so we stop spamming this section? 😉
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
It’s like one of us is playing chess while the other is just digging holes in the dirt.

wiredotter14 said:You didn't listen to a single thing we said.
Tech moves fast, APIs change, and hyperthreading is killer.
Even now, an i5 isn't on the level of a Core i7, and those 8 threads aren't being fully utilized yet.

The point is, an i5 is already bottlenecking cards like the GTX 1070, and in 3, 4, or 5 years, that gap is only going to get wider.
So, grab the Core i7 now. When you upgrade in a few years, you won't have to swap the motherboard and CPU, which is an investment of roughly $1000.

He could grab a higher-quality PSU if it fits his budget, but there's really no need. In a few years, a 4K gaming rig will pull about as much power as this current 1080p setup does now.

And he doesn't even need a better case for a future upgrade; he could cram a GTX 1080 in here right now and have zero issues.

I listened to everything you and wiredotter14 had to say, but I only actually responded to your point—specifically the part where I think you're wrong about whether the Core i7 is worth it or not.
wiredotter14 said:You didn't listen to a single thing we said.
Tech moves fast, APIs change, and hyperthreading is killer.
Even now, an i5 isn't on the level of a Core i7, and those 8 threads aren't being fully utilized yet.

The point is, an i5 is already bottlenecking cards like the GTX 1070, and in 3, 4, or 5 years, that gap is only going to get wider.
So, grab the Core i7 now. When you upgrade in a few years, you won't have to swap the motherboard and CPU, which is an investment of roughly $1000.

He could grab a higher-quality PSU if it fits his budget, but there's really no need. In a few years, a 4K gaming rig will pull about as much power as this current 1080p setup does now.

And he doesn't even need a better case for a future upgrade; he could cram a GTX 1080 in here right now and have zero issues.

Look, I agree—an i5 isn't an i7, and it never was. Most games out there barely touch four cores, let alone eight. Sure, APIs evolve, but at the end of the day, it’s all down to the developers. It's up to them how they code and how much they actually bother to support multi-core setups. An API is just a tool; if devs are too lazy to use what's available, that's on them. That's how it's always been, and honestly, it's probably how it'll stay.

wiredotter14 said:You didn't listen to a single thing we said.
Tech moves fast, APIs change, and hyperthreading is killer.
Even now, an i5 isn't on the level of a Core i7, and those 8 threads aren't being fully utilized yet.

The point is, an i5 is already bottlenecking cards like the GTX 1070, and in 3, 4, or 5 years, that gap is only going to get wider.
So, grab the Core i7 now. When you upgrade in a few years, you won't have to swap the motherboard and CPU, which is an investment of roughly $1000.

He could grab a higher-quality PSU if it fits his budget, but there's really no need. In a few years, a 4K gaming rig will pull about as much power as this current 1080p setup does now.

And he doesn't even need a better case for a future upgrade; he could cram a GTX 1080 in here right now and have zero issues.

Saying an i5 is already bottlenecking a GTX 1070? I don't even know where to start with that... You probably aren't talking about Skylake, you mean a Lynnfield i5. For me, the window is usually one to three years. Anyone buying an i5 today won't need to swap out their entire platform just to upgrade a GPU in a few years. And when I say anyone, I’m not counting that 4% of people who absolutely have to hit 90+ FPS on Ultra settings at any resolution, no matter what.

Look, whether you grab a Skylake i5 or an i7 today, the only thing you’ll be swapping out in a few years is the GPU. Give it five years and you'll be forced to overhaul the entire rig anyway once things like DDR5, USB 4.0, or M.5 SSDs become the standard. If you think otherwise, more power to you.

wiredotter14 said:You didn't listen to a single thing we said.
Tech moves fast, APIs change, and hyperthreading is killer.
Even now, an i5 isn't on the level of a Core i7, and those 8 threads aren't being fully utilized yet.

The point is, an i5 is already bottlenecking cards like the GTX 1070, and in 3, 4, or 5 years, that gap is only going to get wider.
So, grab the Core i7 now. When you upgrade in a few years, you won't have to swap the motherboard and CPU, which is an investment of roughly $1000.

He could grab a higher-quality PSU if it fits his budget, but there's really no need. In a few years, a 4K gaming rig will pull about as much power as this current 1080p setup does now.

And he doesn't even need a better case for a future upgrade; he could cram a GTX 1080 in here right now and have zero issues.

I wouldn't bother upgrading to a higher-end power supply just for the efficiency rating alone. It’s really about everything else you get bundled in—the superior thermal management, the quieter operation, the better safety protections, and that solid five-year warranty.

wiredotter14 said:You didn't listen to a single thing we said.
Tech moves fast, APIs change, and hyperthreading is killer.
Even now, an i5 isn't on the level of a Core i7, and those 8 threads aren't being fully utilized yet.

The point is, an i5 is already bottlenecking cards like the GTX 1070, and in 3, 4, or 5 years, that gap is only going to get wider.
So, grab the Core i7 now. When you upgrade in a few years, you won't have to swap the motherboard and CPU, which is an investment of roughly $1000.

He could grab a higher-quality PSU if it fits his budget, but there's really no need. In a few years, a 4K gaming rig will pull about as much power as this current 1080p setup does now.

And he doesn't even need a better case for a future upgrade; he could cram a GTX 1080 in here right now and have zero issues.

Of course you don't need a better case just to upgrade. You can cram whatever you want into any old chassis if you really want to. If I'm spending... $3.25 I’m going to put my components into a high-end, well-built case made from premium materials—something solid, quiet, and with great airflow. Someone else can go ahead and stuff their parts into a cheap, flimsy tin box if that's how they want to live. $50 If he doesn't give a damn about temps or noise, then he might as well just stick it in a case made of... $0.50 If he wants everything to be glass and RGB, or if he wants his case to brew him coffee and whip up breakfast every morning...

I’m going to say this one more time, because you keep bringing up "your" high-end setup and telling the OP what would be better for them. Like I said from the jump... I don't know what to tell you. It just is what it is. Just saying what I'd do. I can't work with this. There's nothing here to rewrite. He got what he paid for, honestly. I'm not going to tell him exactly what to buy because I have zero clue what games he’s actually playing, what resolution he wants, or if he expects high FPS and maxed-out settings two or three years down the road. 🕺
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
@wiredotter14

One part costs 70% more than the other, so don't try to sell me those political talking points about how it's just "10% of the total price." The rest of the build doesn't magically contribute to that "25% performance boost" you're claiming—which, by the way, is a total stretch that only happens in rare scenarios, maybe at 1440p if you ever actually switch resolutions. You practicing for the upcoming elections or something? 😬

Besides, anyone looking to maintain a steady 60fps setup five years down the road is going to struggle with whatever hardware they buy today. In that scenario, having a top-tier case and a solid power supply makes upgrading your CPU, motherboard, and RAM combo way cheaper later on—since you'll probably swap the GPU much sooner anyway.

Honestly, let's just agree to disagree. We clearly have different ideas of what "value" means, and that's that. It’s actually better for the end user this way; they get to weigh two completely opposing viewpoints. Win-win. 👍 😁
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
Kimberly Gomez34 said:Look, in more and more games, the performance gap between an i5 and an i7 is way beyond a mere statistical error. Take Fallout 4, for instance—click (there's a 15-25% difference between i5 and i7 of the same generation, depending on your resolution) when paired with a 980Ti (which is basically the same tier as a GTX 1070). Then you have Watch Dogs and Assassin's Creed Syndicate—click, click (both sources suggest a measurable gap even between quad-core and hexa-core i7 setups). Or look at The Witcher 3 during CPU-bound segments (Core i7 4790K hitting 65.0/84.4 vs. Core i5 4690K at 52.0/79.2)—that's a 23% difference in minimums. And don't get me started on those massive 64-player multiplayer matches like BF3 & BF4, or Crysis 3. You won't find a decent benchmark online for it, but I remember a crowd of people obsessed with bottlenecks claiming an i5 3xxx would throttle anything above a GTX 770/280 x, even those specific cards.

GPU: GAINWARD GTX 1080 PHOENIX
CPU: i5 4670K @ 4.5GHz, 1.24v

I'm definitely hitting a bottleneck, so I'm just waiting for Intel to drop the Skylake- architecture processors before I commit to a full platform upgrade. Regardless of how much I overclock, this CPU is going to be a bottleneck in almost every modern AAA title; my only real escape is moving up to an i7.

The issue now is that a 10-15% or even a 20-25% performance delta in the GPU world can represent the jump between entire classes of hardware—it's easily a difference of a few hundred dollars.

Looking at these links, the only logical takeaway is that an i7 delivers higher FPS in most scenarios (sometimes significantly, sometimes not—but does anyone actually care about the difference between 80 and 90 FPS? Though, honestly, based on your link, there’s practically no difference here). That was never the debate. And yeah, even an i3-2100 won't completely bottleneck a GTX 980Ti (in AC Syndicate, the core load hits 96-98%, so if we want to be pedantic, you could call that a bottleneck)...

Let me sum this up, because I feel like I'm failing to get my point across. 😬
Does an i7 give you more FPS than an i5? Yes. Do I think a 70% price hike is justified for a measly 25% boost in specific situations? No. 🙂
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
Sure, but the whole debate was about whether grabbing an i7 over an i5 makes more sense for futureproofing... we're talking about processors from the exact same generation here. 😉

Anyway, my bad if I phrased my question poorly. 😬
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
crimsonstag84, I think you missed my point... what I'm saying is there isn't a major bottleneck when you look at an i5 2400 compared to an i7-2600, not when you compare it to modern i7 chips. My take was just that an i5 won't significantly bottleneck a GPU if you're looking at CPUs within the same generation.
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
That’s why I used the term "significant" bottleneck... saying one exists is one thing, but calling it significant is a whole different story. I’d honestly love to see some data where an i5 2400 actually hits a wall with a card in the range of the GTX 1070 we talked about. I'll try to dig up some info myself while I wait for the game to start, but if you’ve already got a link, feel free to drop it 😬
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
wiredotter14 said:The components are fine, but honestly, if you're dropping more than $3000 on a PC build, there's no point in settling for an i5. Going with an i7 ensures you can handle higher resolutions, better FPS on a high-refresh monitor, VR, and all that other stuff.
That power supply you mentioned is solid, though Fortron is pretty reliable too.

Basically, an i5 + GTX 1070 setup is just a budget 1440p build. What I put together—the i7 + GTX 1060—is much better for the Future. (The 1070 is a great card right now, but it's overpriced because there's zero competition for it.)

If the goal is just pushing max settings at 1080p, you could do that for way less money—maybe around $800.

Kimberly Gomez34 said:A more powerful processor won't actually boost your performance at higher resolutions; if anything, it’s the opposite—as you crank up the resolution, the CPU becomes less relevant, and the performance gap between different processors starts to shrink significantly.

Personally, I’m pulling the trigger on the i7. It gives me peace of mind knowing I have the top-tier CPU for this socket right out of the gate. It's essentially future-proofing my rig for the most demanding titles and ensuring I can squeeze every bit of potential out of my GTX 1070, no matter what games come our way down the road.

I'm not sure if you guys are being serious about this i5 vs i7 "futureproofing" talk, or maybe I just missed something... are you seriously trying to tell me that an i5 2400 from 2011 would noticeably bottleneck a modern GPU today? (Five and a half years later). 🤔
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
Let me throw my input in here so I can build one for myself for about $3.25...

Intel Core I5 6400 box
-for gaming, I wouldn't bother going above an i5. At typical resolutions, an i7 would barely squeeze out an extra 2-5 fps, which doesn't mean anything once you're already over 60fps anyway.
ASROCK H170M Pro4S
-it has everything a user would need. 😬
PC-19200 RAM, 16 GB, Kingston HyperX Fury, HX424C15FBK2/16, DDR4 2400 MHz, kit 2x8GB
-not much to say about this RAM at these prices for a PC build.
PCI-E GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1070 G1 gaming, 8GB
-still got 3 years of warranty left. It’ll handle 1080p indefinitely and holds its own just fine at 1440p.
Samsung 250.0 GB 750 EVO, MZ-750250, SATA 3, 2.5", 540/520 MB/s
Seagate 2000.0 GB ST2000DM001, SATA, 64MB cache, 7200 rpm, 3.5", desktop drive
ANTEC P100, MIDI, gray, no PSU included
-solidly built case, quiet and has good airflow.
550W, ANTEC True Power Classic TP-550C, ATX, 120mm fan
-great Gold rated unit (basically rebranded Seasonic) with a 5-year warranty.

This setup is designed to stay under $3.25, though I’d probably swap things around for a 500GB SSD plus a 1TB HDD, but that combo runs $100 more than $3.25 over budget.
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
@wiredotter14

I don't know about you guys, but if I were building a gaming rig, I'd prioritize a high-end case and a solid power supply over an i7. 🤷

It's simple math. For $0.33 less, I’d just drop down to an i5 and put that extra cash toward a premium Fractal case and a 550W Gold-rated PSU with a 5-year warranty...
$1,500 PC build ideas? in Desktops ·
Do you already have a monitor, or do you need one too?
GPU Buying Guide - (Read first post) in Desktops ·
@crimsonstag84/">@@crimsonstag84

Don't compare Uzishop to the other shops. He imports his own stock from overseas, so he's cheaper right out of the gate. And that price for a standard MSI GTX 970 at $2,300? That's a total joke. I'm telling you, Nvidia is basically subsidizing them. 😂
GPU Buying Guide - (Read first post) in Desktops ·
Timothy Kim60 said:They arrived

470

http://www.bestbuy.com/graphics-card-s...63ADM/product/
http://www.newegg.com/catalog/comp...-470nitro-8g-/

460

http://www.walmart.com/search.php?tp=0&q=rx+460

Uh, looking at these prices for an rx 470, you might as well just grab a reference rx 480 or a Palit/Gainward gtx1060 instead....☕
It's like these local retailers are getting kickbacks from Nvidia or something.
😬

edit: even the older generations have seen way bigger price drops on Nvidia cards compared to AMD stuff.😬

MSI GTX 970 - $0.89
MSI R9 390 - $0.99
GPU Buying Guide - (Read first post) in Desktops ·
Slow down, nobody's actually comparing prices "from" the US; I was just using the dollar amount as a baseline. Look, if you want the Sapphire GTX 1060 Nitro+, it’s sitting at about $315 in the UK. There's no way it's just the tax difference when you see it going for $330-$370 in Germany or France... it doesn't add up. If you don't get what I'm getting at, just ignore me because there's no point in arguing further. ☕
GPU Buying Guide - (Read first post) in Desktops ·
Timothy Kim60 said:In my opinion, the prices aren't actually insane (considering these GPUs just launched). It’s $608, what else is out there that beats this for the money? Obviously, we should expect prices to drop eventually

Forget about MSRP or reference models; custom coolers drive costs up and have nothing to do with AMD. Personally, I don't think those standard versions will even hit the market—they might just be a little teaser to start things off.

I get the logic—high demand meets low supply—but a GTX 1050 Ti for $270 when it should be a sub-$200 card??? Or a GTX 1060 for $380 when it belongs in the $250 range??? Give me a break. That's just not how math works.😂 😂 😬
GPU Buying Guide - (Read first post) in Desktops ·
They’ve lost their minds... looking at these prices, there's zero chance I'm buying a new graphics card this year. It's pure insanity. 😵 🤣