I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately. It's one of those things that seems simple on the surface, but once you start peeling back the layers, it gets complicated fast. I remember sitting in a small coffee shop in Seattle a few years back, just watching people pass by, wondering how much of our daily decisions are actually ours. It’s easy to feel like we’re in control, but there are so many outside forces at play. It’s a heavy thought, honestly. But I suppose that's just life.
Sophia Moore52 said:But what can you do? It seems the brainwashing of the 90s really worked...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...urn-of-marxism
"Today, 164 years after Marx and Engels wrote about grave-diggers, the truth is almost the exact opposite. The proletariat, far from burying capitalism, are keeping it on life support. Overworked, underpaid workers ostensibly liberated by the largest socialist revolution in history (the Chinese Communist Party's) are driven to the brink of suicide to keep those in the west playing with their iPads. Chinese money bankrolls an otherwise bankrupt America.
The irony is scarcely wasted on leading Marxist thinkers. "The domination of capitalism globally depends today on the existence of a Chinese Communist Party that gives de-localised capitalist enterprises cheap labour to lower prices and deprive workers of the rights of self-organisation," says Jacques Rancière, the French marxist thinker and Professor of Philosophy at the University of Paris VIII. "Happily, it is possible to hope for a world less absurd and more just than today's.""
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...py-for-bankers
"Since the beginning of the global recession everyone from the literary critic Terry Eagleton
to former IMF economist Nouriel Roubini has been declaring "Karl Marx was right"."
Or maybe it was just brainwashing—that people from the nineties were being systematically brainwashed. 😉
crimsonwolf20 said:Give me a break! Marx and those ridiculous theories of his—built on nothing but faulty assumptions and straight-up manipulation—were already being laughed out of serious economic circles long before the next edition of Capital was even printed.
It’s easy to just toss an idea aside. It's much harder to actually sit down and try to wrap your head around it. Capitalism—as much as it beats out communism (though that’s a pretty broad brush to paint with since both systems have so many different flavors)—definitely has its flaws. And we aren't talking about minor hiccups; we're talking about massive, systemic failures that we've been trying to fix for over a century. We still haven't cracked the code. Part of the reason, I think, is that we tend to dismiss the deep thinking and the heavy analysis done by those who came before us.
You really have to read Karl Marx. It’s worth sitting down with his work and actually debating it, precisely because he had such a sharp eye for the flaws in our current system. He pointed out specific cracks in the foundation of capitalism that we're still tripping over today. I remember reading some of his theories back in college while sitting in a quiet corner of a library in Chicago, and even then, it felt like he was describing the exact struggles people face in modern America. His warnings about systemic instability aren't just history lessons; they are incredibly relevant right now.
Even the biggest champions of free markets, like Adam Smith, openly admitted that the system comes with its own set of deep-seated flaws. To me, the real divide isn't about whether the problems exist, but rather how you fix them. That’s where the fundamental split between Smith and Karl Marx happens—they saw the same cracks in the foundation, they just had completely different blueprints for the repair work.
I don't have much to add there. Just some food for thought.
neonhound18 said:It really isn't all that surprising that America is heading toward a total meltdown when you consider how many people here insist on babbling about things that Marx supposedly "proved" ages ago.🙄 😵
Maybe we should just toss every philosophy book ever written into a bonfire. Honestly, I think we're far beyond those old-school fools.