2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix: June 23–25

Anonymous said:just got back from the F1 race in Las Vegas and put together a quick YouTube video 🙂
in case anyone wants to check it out, feel free to subscribe to the channel

Come on, give us a full report. 🎉

https://hasmaxfinished.today/

Just gonna blame it all on Max's bad luck for a second... 😁

@Tibi

Daniel Ricciardo has spoken his piece. Having been right there in the thick of it himself, he’s making it clear: Lewis Hamilton isn't the one at fault here. It was Vettel who was simply being clumsy and careless.

I find myself wondering why nobody else is pointing the finger at Hamilton. Why was it just Vettel who ended up in that mess?

That isn't even the core issue. The real problem lies entirely in how Vettel reacted to the situation.

Now, look, I am a total Hamilton fanboy🙂, so you can't take my word as gospel!

But seriously, where has Vettel been hiding from the press? I haven't seen a single word regarding his take on whether that move against his opponent was intentional. Has he suddenly lost his ability to speak?

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We've finally started sketching things out 😂

I stumbled upon this while working today and decided to put it up quickly. Looking at this, it’s pretty obvious there isn't any sudden braking or "brake testing" going on with Lewis Hamilton here...

We absolutely crushed those Vettel-esque fans 😂

neonfox65 said:We were busy picking on the Vettel-esque crowd 😂

Weren't you rooting for Vettel just before this season started? 🤔

rustyridge10 said:I ran into this while at work and quickly set it up. Generally speaking, looking at this data, it's clear there was no sudden braking or brake testing on Hamilton's part.

It all makes sense now 🙂. Basically, Sebastian Vettel is responsible for that first collision, precisely what Daniel Ricciardo pointed out, which the FIA has since confirmed 👍

https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/8...353?autoplay=1

Here’s the other side of the story. This is live footage—telemetry data. Take a look at the telemetry, then watch the sudden jerk of Hamilton’s helmet right after the impact.

mellowtiger83 said:It’s all becoming crystal clear now. 🙂So, Vettel is to blame for the first collision, just like Ricciardo said—and the FIA actually backed him up on that one. 👍

I don't know, looking at this telemetry, something just feels off. 🤔
I honestly don't see how that even resulted in just one collision.

From her perspective, it looks like Hamilton slammed on the gas right before the impact while Vettel went for the brakes. In that split second during the first collision, Hamilton's speed was actually slightly higher than Vettel's. 😵
If that’s really how it went down, I honestly don't get it. How is an impact even possible there? What kind of logic allows Vettel, who's moving slower, to slam into Hamilton while he's actually flooring it? 😵

It’s still crazy—if that's the case, why isn't the FOM onboard graphics actually matching up with the telemetry?

swifttiger75 said:https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/8...353?autoplay=1

Here’s another perspective on the situation. This is live footage—specifically the telemetry. Take a close look at the data, and then watch the sudden jerk of Hamilton's helmet right after the impact.

I guess this video makes everything crystal clear.
The guy is totally shady and playing every angle in the book. Even the birds on the branch can see exactly what he was trying to pull here. He thought he could bait Sergio Perez into going after Sebastian Vettel—which would have left Vettel vulnerable to being swallowed up by the guy right behind him—but he clearly didn't count on that German driver’s reaction. Honestly, the guy just snapped like popcorn and reacted on pure impulse. If you ask me, this whole mess actually ended up helping Vettel. Because of all that drama, he drove like a absolute maniac afterward. If they had kept racing for even another day, he might've actually lost his spot to that idiot trailing him. Plus, we all know about those practice sessions and how he was running on a completely worn-out engine back during the US Grand Prix. After that, he was absolutely tearing up the asphalt.
Honestly, Lewis Hamilton was a total jerk back then, and he’s still a jerk now. From the second he showed up on the scene, he just looked like one massive, spoiled brat who was handed an incredible opportunity on a silver platter right out of the gate.

Honestly, that fake image on the podium was so grotesque that I was basically just sitting there waiting for a moment like this to happen. Knowing both drivers and exactly what’s at stake for them, this was bound to go down eventually—so, hey, let it happen!

Austria, you're up next!

Look, we can sit here all day debating telemetry, talking about how hard he braked or the deceleration curve and all that nonsense...
But let’s get real. Imagine you're cruising down an interstate at 112 miles/h, there's a car tailgating you just 2-3 meters behind at 112 miles/h, a concrete barrier on your left, and a massive semi-truck on your right...
Who’s actually smart or brave enough to ignore their rearview mirror and just lightly tap the brakes to drop speed by 19 miles/h over a few meters...
And I bet you'll hear plenty of "experts" claiming they would've slowed down exactly the same way without slamming the brakes "to the floor." 🙂
There it is.

The core issue with Hamilton's whining—and the endless crying from the British media—isn't really the fact that Sebastian Vettel clipped Hamilton's car twice...
It's the fact that Hamilton, thanks to his own questionable decisions and some sloppy work from the mechanics, handed Vettel a full 12-point advantage during the race...
Someone has to take the blame, right? So naturally, it's easier to point at Vettel than to admit someone in Russia messed up...

Because after the FP sessions, swapping out the engine and putting that ancient PU into Vettel's car,
after qualifying where Russia had a massive one-second advantage and Vettel started four places back, the reality was that in a normal race, the absolute best Vettel could hope for was:
1. Hamilton
2. Valtteri Bottas
3. Vettel
Anything higher would have required some massive, cardinal errors from the Mercedes drivers...

In fact, if even one small thing went sideways at the start or during the race, it easily could have ended like this:
1. Hamilton
2. Valtteri Bottas
3. Kimi Räikkönen
4. Max 5. Vettel
5. Vettel
Who knows, maybe even an F1 car ahead of them...

So, a realistic scenario was that Hamilton would have shrunk his pre-race 12-point lead down to a measly 2 points, or maybe even taken the lead himself...
Instead, the whole mess ended with Vettel's lead actually growing to 14 points...

And that is exactly why the British press and Hamilton won't shut up about it...
If it wasn't for that specific drama, there probably wouldn't be a single word about this in the media today...

Sure, it hurts, and it’s going to sting for a long time... but honestly? They only have themselves to blame.

stormybadger8 said:...The whole point of all this Hamilton crying and the British media's endless whining... is that Hamilton, with his so-called geniuses and those sloppy mechanics, handed Sebastian Vettel a full 12-point lead during the race...
And someone has to take the fall... so it's easier to blame Vettel than some nobody from Russia....
...
Of course, it hurts. It hurts a lot, and people will be dragging this out for ages... but honestly, they only have themselves to blame.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid this didn't end when the checkered flag waved.
The experts have had their say. Now, it's down to politics. And that’s where things get ugly.

Reading through the posts on English sites lately, it sometimes feels like they're reliving World War 2. sick. I think what's really driving them crazy in the background is their eternal pride and joy, McLaren, which currently has a "garbage" rating. So, they've found solace in a team that is (at least in terms of ownership and management) German. Just imagine their misery and frustration.
Because their own trash is so useless, they're forced to root for a German team just because their prima ballerina drives for them, and his main (and only) rival is a German.
And that German belongs (to Germany, obviously) to the axis of evil that has caused them so much pain and suffering over the last 10 or 20 years. That axis of evil consists (naturally, of Germans) of Michael Schumacher, Nico Rosberg, and Sebastian Vettel.

swifttiger75 said:https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/8...353?autoplay=1

Here is the other side of the story. This is live footage—telemetry. Watch the telemetry closely, then notice the jolt to Ham's helmet following the impact.

Comparing them side-by-side, uploaded this past Sunday. 😉

James Walker57 said:Hamilton wasn't braking at all.
https://my.mixtape.moe/xguuzm.webm

Casey Hill57 said:I suppose this footage makes everything crystal clear.
The guy is crooked and covered in grease. Even the birds on the branch can see his intentions here. He thought he could bait Sergio Perez into hitting Sebastian Vettel (who would have been an easy target), but he didn't expect such a reaction from the German. The guy just snapped like popcorn and reacted purely on impulse. In my view, this situation actually helped Vettel; because of all this, he drove like a maniac afterward, and if they had raced for a few more days, he wouldn't have lost his spot to that idiot behind him. We all know about the practice issues beforehand, and he was running on a heavily worn engine (US Grand Prix). He was clawing at the asphalt after that.
As for Ham, he was a supak and he will remain a supak. From the moment he appeared, he looked like one massive, spoiled brat who was handed an incredible opportunity right out of the gate.

All in all, that fake image on the podium was so grotesque that I was just waiting for a moment like this. Knowing both drivers and the stakes involved, it had to happen—and good riddance!

America, you're next!

Are you sane? What were you trying to say there? That Lewis wanted those guys behind him to attack Sebastian Vettel? Of course he did, it's plain as day. And now what? Is that an excuse for Vettel not to watch his gap? 99.9% of drivers would do the exact same thing.

Now suddenly Lewis is the guilty one. @Tibi is bringing up highways and 180km/h. For God's sake, Vettel isn't capable of slowing down from 60 to 50 km/h in an F1 car; he's either screaming around or I'm delusional, thinking he can just hit the gas whenever he wants while the car in front dictates the pace.

Maybe we should ask Lewis in the future to just let Vettel pass so this horde of fanboys piling up here can be satisfied.

A driver who calls other drivers scumbags, flips them the bird, curses the race leadership, and intentionally mocks Lewis's supposed moral high ground... no, it's not happening, kid.

What happened next? Oh right, we've reached the point where Mercedes is suddenly a second faster than Ferrari, even though Vettel was consistently beating Bottas in that one-second-faster car. Good grief, I bow to him; even Ayrton Senna wouldn't have managed that in the wet. Turn off the TV; we know who the greatest is in history.

Perhaps I am watching some parallel F1 in a different dimension. I don't know what the hell is wrong with me; maybe I'm an idiot, crazy, or hallucinating.

They declare me insane for seeing what's happening.

Suddenly Vettel is the victim, Mercedes is being favored, and Ferrari is a second slower, while the guy who hits others and mocks the FIA's "moral high ground" is fine.

And Lewis is just your typical rap-style trash that the FIA favors, who happens to be a second-rate driver, a non-talent, and someone who stands no chance against Vettel even when driving a car that is a second faster.

Bravo, please, just keep going. Please, continue, because clearly I'm just your average Lewis fanboy while you lot are the realists and the F1 experts.

Read this post ten times already—just had to go over it again and again... 🙏

coastalwolf6 said:Here it is side-by-side—posted back on Sunday. 😉

Can you believe I didn't even bother reading the thread when the whole "did he brake / didn't he brake, was it an accident / was it intentional" drama started...

Roger Wright94 said:Unfortunately, I fear this didn't end when the race did.
The experts have had their say. Now, it’s all down to politics. And that is where things truly turn sour.

Reading posts on American sites lately, it often feels like they're still stuck in World War 2. sick. I suspect they're being driven by a desperate attachment to the perennial pride of McLaren—which currently holds a "garbage" rating—so they find solace in a team that is (at least by ownership and management) German. Consider the sheer absurdity of that.
Out of pure helplessness regarding their own trash, they cheer for the German squad simply because their star driver runs there, and his main (and only) rival happens to be a German.
And that German belongs (to the Germans, naturally) to the axis of evil that has caused them so much pain and suffering over the last 10 or 20 years. That axis of evil consists (of course, the Germans) of Michael Schumacher, Nico Rosberg, and Sebastian Vettel.

Good grief, you all know what Vettel did. What business do the damn British or Germans have with this? Even Jean Todt—the very same man who pushed both the German and Italian teams—has sharply condemned the move.

What is this talk of a world war? Vettel reacted to the driver in a way that was incredibly sad, ugly, and uncalled for. But he isn't innocent—damn well not innocent. You can hear yourselves; it's not his first time, nor his second, but this time he finally crossed the line.

If Lewis Hamilton had done that, he would be dragged through the mud here without question. There is no debate; some things must have a limit. One has to speak up.

swifttiger75 said:Do you honestly believe I even bothered reading this thread when the whole braking debate started—whether it was accidental or intentional?

I suspect it felt like being lost in the woods; you have no idea where you stand in relation to anything. 😁