Bad Boys

Anthony Wood3 said:Did you seriously have to go and make yet another new handle? Is your ego really that bruised? Good grief. 😢

What on earth are you talking about with this "dead new nickname" nonsense? If you actually had any inside knowledge from being part of the BBB group, you’d know exactly what I’m getting at here—unless, of course, you *do* know, and it just happens to be one of those uncomfortable truths that's hitting a little too close to home for you, isn't it?

Tyler Jackson56 said:Man, you’re acting like I’m some dead account with a brand new handle, but honestly, if you actually had any insight into what goes on inside the BBB inner circle, you’d understand exactly where I’m coming from. Or maybe you do know, and it just hurts a little too much to face the reality of how things are playing out, right?

It looks to me like you're so deeply embedded in all this that you've even ended up wandering over to a general discussion forum.🤣 🤣

Tyler Jackson56 said:Valsimot, I don't get why my posts keep getting nuked. Can you explain what's going on? Like, how come people who were constantly attacking others and acting like Mamić's little minions can just show up at the stadium today without any issues? I've asked around, but nobody seems to have a straight answer. Thanks in advance.

It’s because I’m pretty sure you’re only showing up here to drop these kinds of questions just so you can act like a know-it-all and stir the pot.
Look, you’re allowed to have an opinion here. I let everyone speak their mind, but that’s not what you do. You just put on an act and try to lecture us.

Anthony Wood3 said:It’s pretty obvious you’re way too deep in this, considering you actually showed up on an American forum like this one.🤣 🤣

Judging by everything you’ve posted, it’s crystal clear just how obsessed you are. Look, if you can actually answer the question I put forward, fine—but if you can't give me a straight answer, then stay out of the comments and stop wasting everyone's time.

Tyler Jackson56 said:Looking back at your posts, it’s pretty obvious how deep you are into this. If you can actually answer the question I asked, go ahead; otherwise, if you're just going to leave general comments without addressing anything, then just stop.

Look, I can certainly give you an answer to that question, but I'd much rather do it in person. Shoot me a private message whenever you have a second.😉

analogheron19 said:The truth is, I’m convinced you only show up here to ask these kinds of questions just so you can lecture everyone else and stir the pot.
You have every opportunity to actually share an opinion and let people respond, but you don't—you just put on this act and try to play the smartest guy in the room.

I was at the game this past Sunday and ran into one of those guys they were all singing about—you know, the one who was practically at war with the main group of fans just moments ago. I tried asking around, wondering when on earth he became such a welcome fixture in the stands, but absolutely nobody gave me a straight answer. Honestly, if people won't even engage with basic questions like that, what is even the point of asking for their "opinions" in the first place?!

Tyler Jackson5 said:You don't get it—people can't even ask what the difference is between groups without being labeled an "agent" immediately. The very people who were being attacked and called out are back in the stands today. When we go to Turkey, everyone begs for a truce just to keep the numbers even. But when we head to the Czech Republic, there’s no truce because one side outnumbers the other twenty to one. And if you ask the front office who they're actually at war with, or why the older guys who started all this aren't leading the charge instead of sending kids to fight their battles, you get nothing. So, my friend, you're never going to get honest answers to a lot of questions.

The fundamental issue here is that everything happens online. In these digital spaces, identities are rarely known, and having a real identity is crucial for any serious discussion. It dictates how much weight people give to your words and how much credibility you actually have. Unfortunately, a huge amount of insults, lies, and weird interpretations stem from debates that basically boil down to anonymous people shouting at each other.

It isn't true that people are automatically branded as agents just for asking questions, but some people definitely act like that, and it's hard to disprove. Otherwise, terms like "agents" or "mercenaries" (specifically regarding BBB) are just colloquial ways to describe the crew that used to follow Mamić's lead even when they shouldn't have. It’s an undeniable fact that the club provided financial backing to people who went against the majority—those who opposed Mamić. The club has even admitted this in certain instances, and it was clearly visible in various donation reports and similar documentation.

Regarding Turkey... you're talking nonsense and wondering why the admin is giving you a hard time (and while I'm against banning people, I'm definitely in favor of locking threads). Nobody was begging for a truce. Instead, certain people decided long before that trip to Turkey to suggest a way of interacting that wouldn't trigger constant infighting. The basic rule was that anyone working against the majority or Mamić shouldn't interfere with the group's activities in any way. If they want to go to games, they can go, but they stay out of the North Stand and out of the away section.
Establishing that kind of relationship is incredibly difficult, especially after internal conflicts—as we saw in Belgium and a few other times—but sometimes, it actually works.

The situation in the Czech Republic is simple if you actually care to understand it. BBB stays in the away section, and those tickets belong to BBB and other Dinamo fans. Pretending to be clueless about why a specific group wasn't allowed on the stand is just unnecessary. If a problematic group had entered the away section, the match wouldn't have finished, regardless of who ended up getting beat up. In Plzeň, nobody was attacking anyone, nor was there a massive group of 20x more people looking for a fight; things just escalated in front of the stands over ticket issues. BBB ended up short on a portion of the tickets because of people who worked against them, so it wasn't acceptable for those same people to sit in the BBB section. Neither the home club nor Dinamo could find a solution for this, so those people were essentially pushed out and had to go their own way.

As for your claim that you won't get answers from leadership about who they are fighting with—again, you're missing the point. If you had shown up to the stands, or even just stood outside and talked to the people you actually need to talk to, you would have gotten an answer. But as usual, you play the fool on a forum and expect a profound response.
If someone acts against the group, the assumption is that they will eventually clash with it. You can call it a war (though today's situation is nowhere near an actual war), a battle, or whatever you want, but it’s a reality, regardless of who is clashing.

A lot of things could have been fixed or brought back to a normal level a long time ago. But certain moves—like stealing banners, starting that fan club back in 2013 just to spite everyone with the help of the front office, or parading around with those fighter clubs and other recent nonsense—were blocked by people whose egos simply won't let them step aside.

Every single time there was an attempt to take a step forward, some self-proclaimed "legend" of the stands would show up and, backed by people within the organization, make life miserable for the group. What the last few years have shown is that because of a few individuals constantly sucking up to Mamić, they screwed over both the people who followed suit and those who stayed loyal to their friends and the group instead. It just kept cycling through month after month, from one mess to the next, until we hit a point where some people can never come back to the stands or see any kind of normalization.

I don't write much because it tends to drain my time and my nerves, but I’m always open to a real conversation, face-to-face, with whoever needs it. Honestly, it would be better if we talked about this in person. Looking at your post, it seems like you've picked up a lot of wrong info and you're trying to frame rhetorical questions as absolute facts, but I don't think that's going to work. Mainly because it feels like you have a grudge against the current people in the stands; you don't feel like part of us, so you'd rather fight the whole crowd than accept how things actually are right now.

If I'm wrong, then show up to the stands, get involved, and actually work to change things for the better. You aren't going to accomplish anything through a forum, and you certainly won't heal your frustrations and complexes that way—just like I can't change the minds of the internet clowns (BBB, idiots, whatever...) even with a hundred solid arguments and quality posts. I guess when it doesn't work, it just doesn't work...

Until the next post...

casualwolf48 said:Give Pusa a break, man. You guys are a hundred times bigger liars than those Red Devils fans. That Lisbon match was the one time you could have actually crushed us. You had three whole days to make it happen. So where were you? We were just waiting, and then suddenly you’re out there hanging with that crowd right before the game, acting tough. Everything else is just noise. Honestly, it's frustrating when you keep attacking this guy who hasn't done anything wrong. Don't even get me started. You guys are just a bunch of dishonest myth-makers. That wasn't a small thing. It doesn't matter if he's a supporter or some street kid; we aren't going to jump him for no reason. I actually respect the guy. You should go ahead and keep making up your lies and fueling hatred just because of a rivalry.

With all due respect to everything you've done for America, the group, and the club, you're embarrassing yourself by posting like this on these forums. Aside from shaming yourself, you're shaming the whole group, just like most of the clowns who turn discussions into "my dad is tougher than your dad" or "we beat you guys easily in your own city" nonsense.

Don't do this to yourself. I'm telling you this because I know you and I respect what you've stood for. I'll say all this to your face next time I see you, and I mean it sincerely. I get it—this forum is a way for you to feel like you're still living that intense fan life you used to lead, which is harder to do now given how things have changed. You aren't the only one, and there's nothing wrong with that, but that's just the reality.

My comment isn't just about this one post. It's about the mountain of posts you leave on various forums that don't align with reality and give a bad impression of a team that actually thinks straight and stays loyal.

Indirectly, you're dragging the group down and making yourself look like an internet clown. I'm not trying to insult you, but you need to get back to reality. If you don't want to, that's on you... but really think about how your typing affects people who are much more invested in this than you are. Everyone will respect what you achieved in the past, but no one active in the scene wants to deal with your online nonsense. If you find that hard to grasp, that's not my problem.

Until we hang out in person... all the best.

Since I'm not getting any responses here, I suppose I should just assume there isn't any difference?

wiredpilot28 said:With all due respect to everything you’ve contributed to this country, the club, and our supporters, there is really no need to embarrass yourself with how you carry yourself on these forums. You aren't just dragging your own name through the mud; you're embarrassing the entire group. Most of the discussions here are driven by clowns who argue like children—nothing more than "my dad is stronger than your dad" or "we absolutely smoked you back in your home city." It's exhausting to watch people act like they could have shown up if they actually had the nerve, when we all know they wouldn't have.

Don't go down that road. I’m telling you this because I know your character and I have a genuine respect for you. When we eventually cross paths in person, I’ll say these exact same things to your face—not to be difficult, but because it's the truth. I realize that this forum serves as a sort of digital sanctuary for you, a way to maintain the illusion of the die-hard lifestyle you used to lead. It's a way to bridge the gap between who you were and who you are now, especially since life circumstances make it harder to stay as active in the stands as you once were. You aren't alone in that feeling; plenty of us have had to step back, and there is absolutely no shame in that. It just is what it is.

My comment isn't just about this single post; it’s really about the sheer volume of your remarks scattered across various forums. Most of them are completely detached from reality, which ends up leaving a skewed impression of a group that actually knows exactly what they're doing and thinks clearly.

You’re essentially embarrassing the group and turning yourself into some kind of internet laughingstock. I don’t mean to be offensive, truly, but you really need to check yourself. If you don't want to change, that's your prerogative, but I'd suggest thinking carefully about how your constant posting affects the people involved here—people who, frankly, carry much more weight in this situation than you do. Everyone will respect what you’ve achieved professionally, but no one actively participating in this community wants to deal with your online nonsense. It seems you're having a hard time grasping that, but quite honestly, that isn't anyone else's problem.

Looking forward to our next get-together in person... wishing you all the best.

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Guys!

Robert Prosinecki really let us down.😒

slycyclist19 said:we own up to our losses and we don't run away from them

Are you absolutely sure about that?

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Jerry Morris2 said:My mistake—I misread that. It’s pretty clear looking at the footage that there are far fewer people in the column about 300 meters from the stadium.
Five brave souls and those 15 who were busy targeting civilians. So, we're looking at roughly 20 people total.

Civilian 🤣
The level of propaganda you people are pushing is honestly appalling... it’s worse than when the Mexicans used to claim the Ustaše were firing rockets at themselves.
A guy from my aunt's side 🤣🤣

David Fisher25 said:😠

Civil 🤣
Your propaganda is terrible. It’s worse than when Mexicans claimed the Ustaše were firing missiles at themselves.
A guy from my aunt's side of the family 🤣🤣

People always told me that Mexicans in the region are the worst, even though they are a minority compared to the others. You are a perfect example of that.

cosmicbear15 said:They always told me that Mexicans from the rural South are the absolute bottom of the barrel—even though they're a tiny minority compared to the rest of us. You're a perfect example of that theory in action.

That’s just that typical, snobbish New York City humor for you.🤦

David Fisher25 said:😠

Civic 🤣
The level of propaganda here is staggering. It’s worse than when people claimed the Ustaše were firing missiles at themselves.
A guy from my aunt's side of the family 🤣🤣

Listen to this propaganda... Are you actually serious? If this man were a die-hard fan, would they even bother writing about him? Journalists and the police have always had a soft spot for the hooligans... How many idiots are lurking in this thread?
Beyond that, the footage clearly shows the crowd size. Look, that is the main column heading toward the stadium... The second clip shows how far the crowds spread while returning to their cars near the corner of Heinz and Branimour. I don't see what the issue is... Where is the propaganda? What exactly was fabricated?

:klap:

cosmicbear15 said:They always told me that Mexicans from the rural South were the absolute lowest of the low—even though they make up a much smaller percentage than the Americans or the other groups here. You are the perfect example of that...

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Jerry Morris2 said:Listen to this propaganda... Seriously, do you actually believe if this guy were a die-hard fan, they wouldn't have written a whole book about him? Journalists and cops have always had a soft spot for the fans... God, how many idiots are in this thread...
Besides, the footage clearly shows the crowd size. Look—that's the main column heading toward the stadium. Another clip shows people heading back to their cars at the corner of Heinz Avenue and Brimerton... I don't see what the controversy is. Where’s the "propaganda"? What part of this is supposedly fabricated?

When things actually kicked off and everyone started running, were those numbers even remotely accurate? The video clearly shows one group moving right, and then later, a different group fleeing from the police. If you're seeing 150 people there, you're just lying to yourselves—and trust me, you'll have much bigger problems on your hands than what you're dealing with now.
All in all, I think we've debated this enough.
Cheers

Aaron Sanders63 said:When things actually kicked off and people started fleeing, were those numbers even real? If you watch the footage, you can clearly see one group moving from the right, and then later, a group flees from the police. If you're claiming there were 150 people there, you're just lying to yourselves, and believe me, you'll face much bigger problems than what you're dealing with now.
I think we've debated this enough.
Regards,

Are the numbers fake? For God's sake... This whole argument is a dead end. Good luck to you.

If you look at today's lineup for the club and compare it to the roster we've seen over the last decade or so, there isn't a single thing that stands out as different; honestly, why even bother celebrating a championship when this is the kind of group we're working with?