Bad Boys

Benjamin Cruz78 said:Do you seriously still believe he isn't pulling all the strings for you and the ball?
Well, feel free to justify it if you want.

Justify it to whom? It seems you don't realize that Yankee fans couldn't care less about you, let alone your opinions. The fact that you've swarmed this and every other thread since that one message just highlights your own insecurities. You used to drag the Boys through the mud too, and nobody even blinked. Simply because you aren't relevant. I know that's hard to swallow since in Miami you act like nobody can breathe without your permission—and you've managed to run that whole city like a racket—but outside of Miami, you're irrelevant. Again, totally irrelevant.

Kyle Davis2 said:How can you even ask what the difference is when you've laid it all out yourself? George and his cronies from the Yankees founded, housed, funded, armed, protected, and basically employed the Fan Club as club employees.
Did any of you actually stop rooting for the Dodgers during Smith's worst years? During the Golden Age? Or during the Buffett era? Or were you actually fighting to change the club?
Our biggest rivals are asking why there's a sudden surge in support for the Yankees—largely thanks to people like you, whose complexes and deep-seated hatred have actually fueled this momentum, especially against you during the derbies. No further explanation should be necessary.

Trump has been 311 miles gone from Chicago for a year now—he isn't even in the US—yet various idiots are writing that the state of the club is worse than when he was in charge. How is that possible? How? We should be turning toward the positive and trying to bring the Yankees back to the fans, especially now that the fugitive is facing so many legal accusations that the BBB and ACDC have been publicly pointing out for years.

It’s easy to criticize changes within the club when you haven't won a trophy in 15 years; when your sponsor, Trump, gifted you 25% of the club's shares and stood by you the whole time; when the club hands over all the revenue from membership fees... and then you try to 'justify' every single failure as injustice (sometimes rightfully so), even though for half that time, you practically had total control over the club's direction.

I don't necessarily support the message raised during the derby. My take is short and sweet, without needing a massive dissertation: I don't think it hit the mark. Even if it was intended as a provocation, it just wasn't quite right. Besides, there is plenty of other material we can use to poke fun at them—piece by piece, rather than in a way like this.

Honestly, I couldn't have phrased it better myself. Besides, while I agree with the sentiment of this post, I would love to see a group that isn't under such intense repression from its own club and politics—a group where so many blacklists were created, and where local fans end up waiting 45 minutes at their own stadium just to be allowed out of the stands after the away fans have left. I haven't been to many games in recent years for very well-known reasons, but I truly believe this kind of situation hasn't been seen anywhere else in America.

And Brian continues to spread negativity even after all these years. If he doesn't move past this stagnant point, it would be another massive failure—especially since many regular supporters don't align with the BBB because of their uncompromising stance. Of course, the group has made bad decisions, but everyone makes mistakes. The only thing that matters is a strong and honest Yankees.

Sure, the battle with ZM is realistically lost, but the fight continues. And let it continue.

As for Red Sox Nation and their complexes, they are the direct product of this specific message and the celebration of goals. Let's just set aside the celebration of the title for the youngest generation in the North section, shall we? Is that really a championship celebration? More like a celebration of securing the title against Bell? Regardless, I respect every Yankee—whether they are celebrating this title or not, whether they were at the games, whether they are still boycotting, actively fighting, or just passively watching and waiting for better days. Everyone has their own path and life.

The only ones I don't respect are the defenders of ZM's character and actions.

And please, realize that among the people I’ve spent time with—whether I was in the stands or fighting for the club outside the stadium—there are many who agree with what is written here, and even more who hold different views. So what are they supposed to do? To you, my dear fools: I respect you, but please, think about your own situation. Hypothetically speaking, if you were in our position...

1 member = 1 vote

ironpanther4 said:Hey, Southerners, what if you just dropped the complexes and the myth-making for once and actually did something useful? You know, like making some Dodger yogurt, counting the NFL membership dues, or maybe just designing some welcome posters for the visiting teams...

This post hits the nail right on the head.
This is exactly what today's Boys ideology looks like. No substance, no soul, just empty noise.

We shared a section with people like this, and honestly, we were warned back then too. It’s a massive stain on our group's legacy that'll never wash off.

William Kim said:This post really hits the nail on the head.
This is exactly what the ideologues behind today's Boys look like. They just have absolutely no sense of taste or class.

We've shared stands with people like this before, even though there were plenty of warnings back in the day. It’s honestly a massive disgrace for our group, and it's something that's going to be remembered forever.

And if we're talking about things that bring shame upon you all, I'd also point to that 2013 cup final. Trump feeds them nothing but crumbs, and yet they'll take it and celebrate his trophy (

Then there's the whole business of grabbing vouchers whenever you feel like it—that's where you've really shown what kind of character you actually have.👍

What is the point of debating anything here when you have no idea who is reaching out from the other side? Is it some low-life who was never even part of the inner circle, or just some twenty-year-old kid brainwashed by the ideology of his group's current leadership, regardless of which group we are talking about?
The reality is that both sides have made mistakes, and they will continue to make them. The fan movement isn't exactly pure, despite how the younger generation might perceive it. I understand you have your politics, but they have theirs too. That doesn't mean anyone here is wrong; it just means there are different methods and specific tactics at play.
At times, I feel personally targeted when someone attacks me on this forum because of a message a group posted. Then I remember everything we went through versus what they experienced. You cannot put those two experiences in the same sentence. Those are facts; everything else is just propaganda. Every one of our people—from the veteran leaders down to the kids just starting out—has had their sense of belonging to the Yankees compromised. For a long time, the Yankees were victims of a populist, kleptocratic clique that worked hand-in-hand with their own clique until things finally fell apart. Those kids lived in the shadows for years. They were fans without any luxuries. They were arrested for every little thing just to sour the experience of being a supporter, all while their enemies grew carefree, sipping coffee on the pier or drinking wine at a local hangout, thinking they could easily light a flare against Seattle tomorrow... or attack a column of Chicago kids because their own group was nearly wiped out (I don't blame them for that; it’s how it works). Beyond that, it is obvious in America which of our two groups commands more respect from rivals. Even on a small stage like this, it is crystal clear. It was also obvious when that trophy was celebrated back in 2013, knowing exactly who handed it to them. It is equally obvious that you spent years taking vouchers while we struggled to get by. It is obvious that you wrote messages mocking our struggle, claiming we were lost while they were literally shooting at our kids. It is obvious you exploited a joint protest in Chicago to pose for photos of some supposed elite crowd... it is obvious that things almost turned into a total disaster. Everything is clear as day. Only an idiot could forget that, or someone who believes it is in everyone's interest to cultivate a healthy scene. But that was never your interest, was it? You have always looked down on everyone else, despite having absolutely no foundation to stand on—other than a crowd composed of many little weasels who would write Trump's name in gold in the Dodgers' history books if he were ever on your side. It is all perfectly normal. Fan rivalry is an elementary part of this. I am not going to try to change some moron's mind, nor is that the point of this post. There is no sense in arguing with a group that has sacrificed almost nothing for a common goal, yet wants to lecture you on how it should be done.

Alright, let’s get real about all this dirty laundry being aired out—what kind of "repression" narrative are you people still trying to peddle?
For a decade now, I’ve been listening to endless whining about systemic oppression and a regime so tight you can't even breathe. People are talking about millions of bans, a billion fans getting targeted, and drones with cameras hovering over anyone in Chicago who shows a hint of a rebellious spirit. Don't you think we've had enough of these lies and self-delusions?
Exactly how many Black Knights are actually banned, and how many are in jail? If my math is right—and feel free to correct me if I'm off by a hair—we're looking at maybe 150 to 200 bans total, and practically nobody going to prison just for cheering. Go ahead, debunk those numbers if you think I'm wrong, but for heaven's sake, stop crying like children. Nothing special has ever happened to you.

1. Yeah, look, the repression was intense enough to nearly wipe out the whole group, no matter how much you guys try to play it down or act like it wasn't a big deal
2. And who told you the pressure is still that heavy? Things have loosened up now that Trump’s grip is slipping, though obviously, the core issue with him hasn't just vanished into thin air

Let’s get one thing straight: I never said it didn't happen. What I said was that you guys have elevated it to the level of some epic Greek tragedy about the gods on Olympus. In the middle of all this pathetic whining, you lot actually showed up to the big derby in decent numbers, yet somehow, in that very same week, you’re back to crying about how Trump is all-powerful and how there are thousands of bans being handed out. Let’s be real—the number of bans has dropped by at least ten times, and the repression hasn't been nearly as intense as what we see in other places.
To me, it just screams how immature this whole fan base is. As if no one else has ever felt the squeeze from the government or had to go toe-to-toe with some heavy-hitting elites... I honestly thought we were past this, that people were starting to grow up, but no—every second post is some sci-fi adventure about slipping through the cracks of "the system."
You poked at our "beloved Dodgers," and the reaction tells me everything I need to know about what kind of delusions you've unearthed. Now you're throwing around terms like "mythomaniac" or "agent"—labels you used to reserve for everyone else. Look, everyone eventually has to face themselves sooner or later. You can deal with your own inner reckoning on your own time, but how much longer are we supposed to listen to this empty nonsense?
Do yourself a favor: sit down, have a serious talk with yourself, and look at the actual data and facts. How many of you were actually locked up? How many were truly banned? Just how powerful are these "enemies" of yours really, and how rigid and indiscriminate was the system you claim to be fighting against? How uncompromising was it, really? There are a lot of questions here.
Neither then nor now was the grip of the law any tighter than it is elsewhere; it’s just that you guys were weaker, softer. At least, that’s how it looks to me when I compare the two.

Culture,
I’m only going to touch on one specific slice of this repression—the overseas trips:
For years, "our" club has been playing dirty by sending letters to local clubs and the police, basically claiming that anyone traveling without the official organized group isn't actually a fan, but some kind of armed criminal whose only goal is to riot, burn things down, destroy everything... or kill people.
Because of us, they’ve implemented special measures for years, like court orders banning us from entering Paris, or declaring an actual state of emergency in Eindhoven for the first time since WWII, where it was legally prohibited and criminally punishable for any American citizen to even set foot in the entire county unless they were part of the official club delegation. They even banned all Americans from entering Albania on match days. In freaking Luxembourg, they actually brought out armored combat vehicles just to protect those poor locals from the "barbarians" coming from Chicago... For a tiny fraction of those away trips back then, we were effectively outside the law. We were treated like terrorists—arrested, punished, deported... no exceptions. For years, people sacrificed everything. They spent their hard-earned money, risked their health, put their jobs and families on the line, but they didn't back down. They showed up everywhere on their own terms, fully aware that the chances of actually getting into the stadium were 1 in 1,000.
If anyone can find me a similar example anywhere else in the football world... I’m out of here. I'll shut down this forum and walk away from the thing I love most—being a fan.

Has anyone already pointed this out? Show me where the police act like the military. They clear out the entire home stands and hold the local fans hostage until someone finally decides they've had enough of the harassment—either by joining the chaos or just letting people sit in peace. Meanwhile, some news outlets are screaming about how sneakers were confiscated at the gates.

Jerry Morris2 said:It is pointless to debate anything here when you don't even know who you are dealing with on the other side. Is it some bottom-feeder who was never part of the inner circle, or just some twenty-year-old kid brainwashed by the ideology of whatever group leadership they follow?
The reality is that there have been mistakes on both sides, and there will be more. The supporter movement isn't exactly pure or pristine, despite how the younger generation might perceive it. I understand you have your own politics, but the other side has theirs too. That doesn't mean anyone is wrong; it just means there are different methods and specific tactics for the fight.
At times, I feel targeted myself when someone attacks me on this forum over a group statement, but then I remember everything we have endured versus what they have gone through. Those two things cannot be compared. Those are facts; everything else is just propaganda. Every one of our people—from the old guard leading the group to the kids just starting out—has had their sense of belonging to the Yankees damaged because the club has been a victim for so long of a populist, kleptocratic clique. This clique worked closely with their lot until they finally cut ties. Those kids lived in the dark for years; they were fans without any luxuries. They were arrested for every little thing just to make them hate the lifestyle, all while their enemies grew unchecked, carefree, sipping coffee on the waterfront with girls or drinking wine at Matthews, thinking they could easily light a flare against Seattle tomorrow... or how they would attack a column of Chicago kids because their own group was nearly wiped out (I don't blame them for that; it’s how it has to be). Beyond that, it is obvious in America which of our two groups commands more respect from rivals. Even on a small stage like this, it is crystal clear. It is also obvious how that cup in 2013 was celebrated when it was blatant who gifted it to them. It is also obvious that you took vouchers for years while we were scraping by in every possible way. It is also obvious that you wrote messages questioning our struggle, claiming we were lost, while they were cracking down on our kids. It is obvious you exploited a joint protest in Chicago to pose for photos as if it were some organized march... it is obvious that if things had gone differently, it would have been a disaster. Everything is clear as day. Only an idiot could forget that, or someone who believes it is in both our interests to raise a healthy scene. But that was never in your interest because you have always looked down on everyone else, despite having absolutely no foundation except for a crowd made up of bottom-feeders who, if Trump were your leader, would write his name in gold in the Dodgers' history books. It is all normal. Supporter banter is an elementary part of this; I am not going to change anyone's mind, nor is that the point of this post. There is no sense in arguing with a group that contributed almost nothing to a common goal yet wants to lecture you on everything.

You are being ridiculous, man; I have no other word for you... A group that contributed nothing to the common struggle? Hahahaha. You are quite the king. Honestly, I regret ever joining any "joint" struggles with you, and I regret every single step taken during that pathetic truce... Your message didn't surprise me; in fact, you have finally shown your true face publicly. As for which group has more respect, it is laughable to discuss that with someone from your lot. On what basis should your group be respected over the last five or six years? I tip my hat to you for the attack on Sunday—you need guts to pull that off—but I think the key to your defeat is precisely that you convinced yourselves you were the strongest. How can a group so obsessed with codes and righteousness allow an attack in both Pula and Chicago to be led by a man who was working with mercenaries until yesterday? He is widely known as the European rent-a-hooligan. Your propaganda about how we can easily light a flare against Seattle is just as ridiculous; we have more bans than all the other supporter groups combined. We have carried out more actions this season than you have in the last five, while you managed one win in the Midwest before being dismantled by kids in Macoli right in your own city. And since you want to talk about how we failed to handle those eleven of yours, that is total nonsense. Wasn't what happened in Pula similar? Thirty Black Knights against six demons and one dog? Then you bring up the Poles; we certainly never had to call them to help break you, because we clearly don't need the help. Yet you brought the Ukrainians at the first opportunity and left those poor souls hanging; that isn't a good look, treating friends like that, especially when they showed up with nothing. I regret even writing this post. Until the next encounter.

I am heading out to enjoy some lobster now, funded by the membership fees from our Los Angeles Dodgers. It is Friday, after all, and that calls for seafood.

Jonathan Hayes76 said:Look, let’s get one thing straight—I never said it didn't happen. I'm saying you guys hyped it up like it was some epic saga about Greek gods. In the middle of all that pathetic whining, you lot still showed up to the derby in massive numbers, and then just a week later, you're back to crying about how Trump is untouchable and has thousands of bans out on people. Those bans have been slashed by at least ten times, and the crackdown wasn't even half as bad as what we've seen elsewhere.
To me, it just shows how immature you fans really are.

I was reading your stuff here and honestly? I realized you’re basically an infant when it comes to being a real fan.

slycyclist19 said:You’re a joke. Honestly, I don't have any other word for you. A group that contributed nothing to our collective struggle? Please. It’s pathetic. I actually feel sorry that I ever stood alongside you in those supposed "joint" battles. I regret every single step taken during that truce. Your message didn't surprise me; if anything, you've finally shown your true colors to the public. Discussing which group commands more respect with someone from your lot is laughable. On what basis should your group be respected after the last five or six years? I'll give you credit for Sunday's attack—it takes guts to strike—but I suspect that's exactly why you lost. You convinced yourselves you were untouchable. How can a group so obsessed with "codes" and "righteousness" allow their attacks in San Francisco and Washington, D.C., to be led by a man who was working with mercenaries until yesterday? He’s practically a well-known European mercenary for hire. And your propaganda about how easily we could light a flare against Seattle is ridiculous. We face more bans than all your groups combined. We’ve pulled off more actions this season than you have in the last five. You won once out in the Midwest, and then some kids at the Mall of America beat you senseless in your own city center. And since you want to talk about us failing to deal with your eleven guys—what kind of nonsense is that? Wasn't what happened in San Francisco just as similar? Thirty Black and Gold against six Demons and one stray dog? Then there's your talk about the Polyak2 crowd. We never had to bring them in to help us break you, because we clearly don't need help. Yet, you brought Ukrainians in at the first opportunity and then just abandoned them. Is that how you treat friends? To show up with nothing to show for it? I regret even writing this. Until the next encounter.

I’m going to go eat some lobster now, paid for by the membership fees of the Kansas City Chiefs. It's Friday, after all. Seafood is mandatory.

Greetings. I am glad you decided to speak up. From your tone, it is clear you haven't quite grasped the situation yet. You view our conflicts as some petty game of keeping score or seeing who can mock whom. I view it as afternoon entertainment. I enjoy the provocation, but I also enjoy winning. That is all. You seem to think we used anyone as backup, which proves you know nothing about the Black and Gold.

As for the individual claiming we are "unripe" because we haven't descended into crime or started peeking out from behind every political powerhouse—consider this a sportsmanlike goodbye.

Jerry Morris2 said:It’s completely pointless to debate anything here when you don't even know who's poking at you from the other side... Is it some bottom-feeder who was never even part of the inner circle, or just some twenty-year-old kid brainwashed by whatever ideology his group's current leadership is pushing? Whatever group that may be.
The truth is, there have been mistakes on both sides, and there will be more. The supporter movement isn't exactly pure as driven snow—not how the younger generation probably sees it. I get that you guys have your politics, but they have theirs too. That doesn't mean anyone on your side is wrong; it just means there might be different ways and specific tactics for fighting.
Sometimes I feel targeted myself, getting attacked on this forum because of a message my group posted, but then I remember everything we've gone through versus what they've endured. You can't put those two things in the same sentence. Those are facts; everything else is just propaganda. Every single one of our people, from the kids leading the charge to the rookies just starting out, has had their sense of belonging to the club damaged because the team here has been a victim for so long of a populist, kleptocratic clique that worked hand-in-hand with their own clique until they finally cut ties. Those kids lived in the dark for years; they were supporters without any of the perks. They got hauled in by the cops for every little thing just to make them hate the fan life, all while their enemies grew comfortably, thinking about grabbing coffee on the Waterfront with girls or sipping bottles of wine at Matej while worrying about lighting a flare against Cleveland tomorrow... or how they'll attack a group of New York City kids because their own crew is practically extinct (I don't blame them for that, that's just how it goes). Beyond that, it's obvious in America which of our two groups commands more respect from rivals. Even on a small stage like this, it's crystal clear. It's also obvious how that cup in 2013 was celebrated when it was blatantly clear who handed it to them. It's obvious you guys were taking vouchers for years while we were barely scraping by. It's obvious you wrote messages attacking our struggle, saying stuff like we're just wandering aimlessly, while they were actually shooting at our kids. It's obvious you used a joint protest to mock us in New York City and pose for photos acting like some high-society crowd... it's obvious that if things had gone the other way, it would've been a total disaster... Everything is clear as day. Only an idiot could forget that, or someone who thinks it's in both our interests to raise a healthy scene. But that was never in your interest, because you've always looked down on everyone else, even though you really have no foundation at all except for a bunch of bottom-feeders who, if Jerry Jones were yours, would write his name and works in gold letters in Hajduk's history. It's all normal. Fan taunting is just a basic part of the whole thing; I'm not going to change some moron's mind, nor is that the point of this post. There's no sense arguing with a group that hasn't given nearly anything toward a common goal, yet wants to lecture you on everything.

Alright, fair enough, you have one opinion, I have another.
I'm not in the thick of it anymore, and even back when I was, I didn't write much. I always try to be objective as much as someone can from their own subjective angle. Since I see you're (actually) an okay guy, just one question, or rather a statement—if you want to answer, do you agree with it or not? If not, please explain.

I get it all, even the jabs regarding our Hajduk, although you could argue whether that's fan behavior or something else, but to post a message with the name "Jerry Jones" on a grandstand that, let's be honest, fought so hard against him. On a grandstand where the second tier of the crew sits, or parts of the first tier (the non-corrupt part), they're three times more worthy than that mercenary leadership. On a grandstand where people were actually shot for him.
So, what’s my actual point here... don't you think we're headed for another round where we have to drag these crybabies out by their hair? Does it smell like another era of mismanagement to you?
My take is simple: all the dirty laundry is going to come crashing out soon enough, and it looks to me like certain people have lost their way yet again.
THE REAL QUESTION IS whether there's enough healthy leadership left to actually take the reins back... if there's even any will left in them. Are there individuals who stayed true, or did everyone just flip sides when things got tough?!
I'll say it again—I'm not as deep in the trenches as I used to be, but I'm basing this whole thing on how those ultra-loyalists were being praised in the grandstands.
How could you guys let yourselves score such a massive self-inflicted goal?
Sending my best to my brothers up North who are still fighting the good fight!

amberfox6 said:I see what's happening. Even the jabs directed at our Hajduk make sense. We could debate whether this is true fan sentiment, but why would anyone hold up a sign with "Jerry Jones" on a grandstand that, let’s be honest, fought him tooth and nail? This is the section where the second tier of the core group sits—or parts of the first tier who aren't corrupt. This is the section where people have actually bled because of him.
My question is simple: don't you think we'll end up having to kick out the mercenaries for a fourth time? Doesn't this smell like the old era all over again?
My observation is this: the dirty laundry is about to come out, and it looks like certain people have strayed from the path once more.
I am repeating myself: I am no longer deeply involved. My conclusion is based solely on seeing that mercenary's name held up in a positive light in the stands.
How could you allow yourselves such an own goal?
Regards to my brothers in the North who continue to fight!

I will answer you based on how I personally view things, and how those around me see it. I hate Jerry Jones and his entire entourage from the bottom of my soul. I hate the Republican Party. I hate every cop who has ever caused trouble for us, for you, or for any other fans in this scene.
Regarding the sign: I believe it was a provocative message designed to serve its purpose, considering we've been debating it here for five days straight. No one in that section thinks Jerry Jones is any less of an enemy than you are, nor was it intended to suggest that. It simply reached a point where—now that there is finally some movement regarding convictions and fugitives fleeing to Canada—the younger generation needs to feel that spark. They need to see a group mobilizing for the battles ahead. Because if we don't cultivate new generations, everything goes to hell.
I haven't been very active lately, so I won't dive too deep into the argument. Would I hang that sign? Certainly not. But that is my personal opinion. I might have opted for a different kind of mockery, though I suspect the message hit the mark, given how you always find someone else to blame whenever you lose to Gorica...
As for football, I stopped caring long ago. I can't consider this club mine while this internal mess remains unresolved. It is a process that will take time, and there is no shortcut. It also pains me to see the missed opportunities in European competitions, the players, and the rest of the mercenaries. It isn't mine, and it never will be, until things truly change.
Regards.

Kyle Davis2 said:It’s easy to talk about changing things up at the club when you haven't hoisted a trophy in 15 years—especially when your main sponsor, Jerry Jones, just hands over a 25% stake in the team, keeps the organization right by your side, and then basically lets the club keep all the revenue from membership fees... and then you get to blame every single failure on corruption (which, sometimes, might be true) even though for half that time you've practically had total control over everything.

Without getting into the rest of what you wrote—though there's plenty of stuff there we could dive into—could you maybe explain the part in bold?

Charles Ramos4 said:Without getting into anything else you mentioned (though there's plenty more there to talk about), could you at least clarify the bolded part?

He's lying.

Jonathan Hayes76 said:Look, let’s be clear—I never said it didn't happen. I’m saying you guys turned it into some epic saga about Greek gods. In the middle of all that pathetic whining, you actually showed up to the derby in huge numbers, yet the very same week you're back to crying about how powerful Jerry Jones is and how he’s got thousands of bans out. Honestly, those bans have dropped by at least ten times over, and the crackdown wasn't nearly as intense as what happens elsewhere.
To me, that just shows how immature this fan base is. As if nobody else has ever dealt with government pressure or had to fight against powerful figures... I thought we were past this, that people were starting to face reality, but every other post is still some space opera about slipping through the cracks of "the system."
You poked at our Hajduk, and the reaction tells you everything you need to know about what you've stirred up. Now you’re throwing around terms like "mythomaniac" or "agent"—labels you usually save for everyone else. Everyone has to face themselves sooner or later. That's your business, go ahead... but how much longer are we supposed to listen to this empty talk?
Do some soul-searching. Look at the actual numbers and facts. How many of you were actually locked up? How many bans were issued? Just how powerful are these "enemies" of yours really, and how rigid or selective was the system you were fighting? Was it truly uncompromising? There are so many questions here. Neither then nor now was the grip of the law any tighter than anywhere else. You guys were just weaker, softer. At least, that's how it looks to me when I compare the two.

Imagine getting banned just because you aren't sitting in the specific part of New York City listed on your map. You don't even know what it means to be an opponent of the State. A guy from the grandstand became the President, brought you back to life, and made everything possible for you. Go ahead, write about how you lived off politics for years, the paid gigs at Pride parades, attacking journalists, the chaos in Denver... etc., etc. There isn't a single group in the world with as much dirty laundry as yours... and you come here trying to act smart? Mind your own backyard; they could write a book about you writing. Shootings in your own stands, carrying weapons in patterns... murders... man, you're gross. What do you know about repression and bans?

slycyclist19 said:We’ve pulled off more moves this season than you guys have in the last five,

Man, just chill out... I mean, they were actually pretty great last season... honestly, I could probably list like 15 different things we tried while we were busy dealing with that whole mess against the funcut in Savannah...

Jonathan Edwards8 said:He's lying.

Of course. Like what else is he lying about—that Tommy gifted us 25% of the shares? When I first read the accounts, I thought maybe it was just one mistake, but now another respected member here has pointed out this lie they're pushing too.

Separately from that specific message, I've noticed that lately—both in this thread and over in the football section—people have been attacking Hajduk, mostly through lies and fabrications. It’s weird because we didn't even bring up Hajduk in that post, nor did we complain about them calling us an association—they just jumped straight into that narrative on their own. First it was Bull, and now it looks like Sylvester is keeping up the same rhetoric.

The way a cat just happens to give birth right when it's convenient... I guess it's pretty obvious why there's been this coordinated barrage against Hajduk over the last few days.