Bad Boys

Jonathan Edwards8 said:LOL

What's actually the difference between mercenaries who were "just" cheering for their club, playing for trophies, and following your logic?

It isn't just the players; we're talking about the coaches too, since they're all part of the same organization, aren't they?

Even if things aren't quite the same today, if you find it perfectly acceptable to "cheer on" people who extend a helping hand to criminals, then perhaps it’s time to take a hard look at your own convictions, your ideals, and your entire way of life.

God, you are being so tiresome... weren't you also right there celebrating those players who were targeting innocent kids in the stands (Futacs), and weren't you caught up in that same euphoria back when El Commandante was Kos? You've been barking here for ten days straight.

Aaron Parker70 said:God, you're getting exhausting... You were right there celebrating the players who were busy bullying kids in the stands (Futacs), and you were riding that high just fine when Kos was running the show. Now you're barking here after only ten days.

Who actually celebrated Futacs after that happened?
Kos's true colors started showing one by one. Once he lost the mask, he had to chase championships through pure chaos just to stay relevant, and honestly, the loudest people cheering on those idiots were actually coming from the opposing camp. 😉
Don't even try to Compare things that aren't even in the same league, man.

Regarding working through official channels—like having a representative in Congress—look at Aleksic from the Frank association. He’s a great example of how an activist can actually make a difference. It shows us that this kind of thing is doable. What we really need is someone who truly understands the subject matter, has the stamina for it, and, perhaps most importantly, won't get sucked into political games.

All this talk about what "should have happened" is honestly pointless. Not much more can be done on that front anyway. Besides, the media narrative has completely shifted since that silver medal win, and now people just see them as disgraced criminals rather than capable managers. Even his own reporters can't look the other way anymore.

I feel like everything has reached a boiling point where a massive protest in Times Square, or even right outside the courthouse, is overdue. Whether it's a group effort or just a solo stand, it needs to happen.

analogheron19 said:I never understood why we didn't move together on the Sports Act—Founding a joint supporters association, hitting the streets as one big group...
We're all smokers here. Some more than others, sure, but we're all smoking...

You know perfectly well why that idea of a joint protest in Washington, D.C. fell apart—and you know exactly why. That guy from Seattle—your "people"—were being awfully quiet back then, so please, don't come around here now trying to sell me a load of garbage.

Aaron Parker70 said:You’re getting more tedious by the minute... you were right there celebrating those players who targeted innocent kids in the stands (Futacs), and you were part of that euphoria back when El Commandante was Kos. You've been barking here for ten days now.

I never celebrated Futacs or Kos...

Are you out of your mind?

Roger Thomas7 said:Look, you know exactly when the whole idea of a joint protest in Washington, D.C. went south and why it failed. That guy from Seattle—shadowwolf15—his crowd stayed suspiciously quiet back then, so please, don't come around here now trying to spin this nonsense as something it isn't.

To be perfectly honest... I haven't the slightest clue when or why. It’s just a shame.

It doesn't really matter anymore—it’s all kind of moot at this point anyway...

The group's just flailing around—even Houdini couldn't pull a stunt this messy... You haven't been able to touch Madoff for ten years straight, so just admit defeat and move on. Learn from the mistakes instead of hiding behind impossible manifestos and excuses. Madoff will eventually exit, but it won't be because of the Boys. Just let the new generation of kids in the stands keep the group together at least...

All we need now is some fraud talking about "tika-taka" and someone calling for a new boycott, then you can finally lock the doors on this group for good.

...listen to this guy trying to kick Madoff out
Why didn't you all do it yourselves? We’re busy celebrating championships while you're still whining about how the mob ruined you.

Robert Cooper60 said:...listen to this guy, demanding we kick out Madoff
so why didn't you guys get rid of him sooner? We’re busy celebrating championships while you lot just whine about how the mafia is destroying you

He isn't some idiot.

Tom keeps trying to erase him, but the man is relentless. Every single post follows the exact same pattern: an admission of defeat with his head bowed, claiming Madoff will leave on his own and until then, we should support the club and the players, followed by those half-veiled threats that certain groups won't show up unless the kids are left alone to go out and cheer. This bolded section really brings back memories of the old days; it's exactly how one very well-known faction used to talk. I see the years passing by, and soon it will be decades, yet in their minds, everything remains stuck in the past. If someone screws you over once, they are going to screw you over again. And anyone lacking the intelligence and wisdom to realize that is doomed to repeat history. Scott Smith93, you'd have better luck finding a key in a lock than standing under the same umbrella with your crowd again.

Kyle Campbell4 said:He’s no idiot.

Tom keeps trying to scrub him, but the guy is persistent. Every single post follows the same script: admitting defeat with his head bowed, claiming Madoff will leave on his own so until then we support the club and the Boys, plus those half-threats about how the groups won't exist if they don't let the kids go out and cheer. That specific part feels like a blast from the past... reminds me of one well-known faction. Years pass—soon it'll be decades—but in their heads, nothing has changed. If someone screwed you over once, they'll do it again. And anyone without enough sense is just doomed to repeat history. Scott Smith93, you'd be better off locking your door than standing under the same umbrella with your crowd again...

😁 I'm being persistent with my second post on this forum—one of which I personally deleted fifteen minutes after writing it, not Tom.

And yeah, leave the kids alone so they can cheer. When all this mess started 10-15 years ago, the kids running the group today were literally children, and when Madoff took over the club, most of them weren't even born yet. Trying to break them by forcing them to deal with sectarian infighting or decade-old grudges between factions is just a crime against the current fans. Yet, it happens constantly.

Keep one thing in mind—even when Madoff finally leaves Dynamo, and he will sooner or later, the people who ran the show ten years ago aren't coming back to the stands because their time has passed. It's just how it works. I could give you endless examples of people who couldn't care less about the fan life now, even though they used to set Europe on fire during the group's golden era.

You guys are pathetic 😁
You should have, you really should have... If things were easy, all of you would be out there playing hero from a safe distance with clean hands...
While we’ve been fighting for our lives—literally risking everything just to keep this whole group from falling apart—you lot have just been sitting back, coasting on nothing but pure luck and political favors.

We’ve got our own path to follow, so do us a favor and stop obsessing over the Bad Boys and Real Madrid.

Scott Smith93 said:😁 I am standing firm with the other user on this forum, one whom I personally deleted fifteen minutes after posting, and no, it wasn't because of Tom.

Furthermore, we must leave the younger generation alone to cheer; when the chaos within this group first erupted ten or fifteen years ago, the kids who currently run things were literally children, and many weren't even born yet by the time Mamić took control of the club. Forcing today's fans to carry the burden of sectarian disputes from within the group, or dragging them into the private and public feuds of various factions from a decade ago, is nothing short of a crime against the group and against the people currently sitting in the stands. Yet, this is precisely what keeps happening.

Keep one thing in mind—even when Mamić eventually leaves Real Madrid entirely, which he will sooner or later, the people who held this group together ten years ago aren't coming back to the stands because their time has simply passed. That is just how it works. I can give you endless examples of people who have zero interest in the supporter lifestyle anymore, despite having set all of Europe ablaze during the golden age of this group.

I will merely react to this once and then I shall cease posting on this thread. If you desire further discussion, you may move it to private messages.

You were slow to delete your post because there were those who managed to read what was written 😁. It is strikingly similar to what you wrote in your previous two posts. The most potent part is your comment regarding bowed heads and admitting defeat.
Following your logic, the kids from the late 90s should have just given a damn about restoring our reputation, since they were merely stepping into a fight started by those older than them. It is total nonsense. If someone identifies with the group and the Bad Boys name, regardless of their age or how many years they have been active, they share what is known as a collective consciousness. And the collective consciousness of this group is built upon a steadfast anti-ZM narrative and the realization of the evil at play. This is something passed down from generation to generation, and as the last manifesto states, there will be no compromise until these criminals are kicked out of the club. This is not like your suggestion, where the whole matter should simply be swept into the dustbin of history via a change in generations in the stands. As for the part about "sectarianism," it does not even require a comment. It is perfectly clear from your posts exactly where you stand. Regards.

Kyle Campbell4 said:The guy isn't just some idiot.

Tom keeps trying to scrub him from the board, but the guy is relentless. Every single post follows the exact same script: admitting defeat with his head bowed, claiming Mamić will leave on his own so until then we just support the club and the guys, and throwing out those half-threats about how the fan groups won't exist if they don't leave the kids alone to go cheer. This whole "old school" routine is a total throwback. It’s exactly how one very well-known faction used to talk. I see the years passing, soon it'll be decades, but in their heads, nothing has changed. If someone screws you over once, they’re going to do it again. And anyone lacking the brains or the sense to see that is doomed to watch history repeat itself. Scott Smith93, you’d have better luck trying to fit a key into a lock than getting under the same umbrella with people like that again.

I know he's not an idiot, but his only goal is to stir the pot and talk trash...
Let him show who he actually is first, then maybe I'll let him talk like that—once he actually stands behind his own garbage.

Scott Smith93 said:I mean, seriously, which side am I even on here? I’d love to know.

Are we talking Tatičar, some random ghost, Sovic, or just Mamić?

It honestly blows my mind how much people attack anyone who actually has the guts to write down what everyone can see with their own eyes: this group hasn't managed—literally, physically, mentally, or organizationally—to get rid of Mamić from the club for over a decade. They haven't. It simply hasn't happened. After ten years, you can't call anything else but that a total failure. This generation of Bad Boys needs to take a hard lesson from that defeat; they have to learn that when you strike, you have to be radical, fast, surgical, and effective. If you're going to step into a fight, you'd better be certain you're going to win, or don't bother stepping up at all. Wait, grow stronger, think it through, and then make your move. In the Frontier, everything fell in a day and a half after we spent three years preparing. All these little "tiki-taka" fantasies dreamt up by various frauds have nearly destroyed the group, exhausted the newer generations, thinned out our numbers, and completely neutered our effectiveness. So, please, just let today's kids find their own way. Let them celebrate the goals, the wins, and the players; let them cheer and grow together as a unit. Let them carry whatever messages they want to carry and to whomever they choose. Without that, there's nothing—it's the foundation. You can't have a movement without a crowd, and to build a crowd, you need time and stability within the group. At this rate, I'm surprised someone hasn't called for another boycott already.

Go ahead, go make another profile. 🤣

You're living proof that the group is finally on the right track, a path it shouldn't leave and won't leave.

Scott Smith93 said:Seriously, which side am I even on? I’d love to know.

Is it Tatičar, some random ghost, Sovic, or Mamić?

It’s crazy how much people attack anyone who actually has the guts to say what everyone else sees: this group hasn't managed—physically, spiritually, mentally, or organizationally—to kick Mamić out of the club for over ten years. They haven't. It simply hasn't happened. In a decade, failing to do that can only be called one thing: a total defeat. The current generation of Bad Boys needs to learn from that failure. If you’re going to strike, you have to be radical, fast, surgical, and effective. If you step into a fight, you better make sure you win, or don't bother showing up at all. Wait, get stronger, think it through, then hit hard. The Frontier fell in a day and a half after we spent three years prepping for it. All these "tiki-taka" delusions from various frauds have nearly destroyed the group, burned out the new generations, gutted our numbers, and neutered our effectiveness. So, just let today's kids do their thing. Let them celebrate goals, wins, and players; let them cheer and grow as a unit. Let them carry whatever banners they want for whoever they want. Without that, there's nothing. That's the foundation. Without a crowd, you have nothing, and building a crowd takes time and stability. I just hope someone doesn't try to call for another boycott right about now.

This is a solid post and I'm leaving it alone.
People can write whatever they want as long as they bring arguments and don't go around calling people out while hiding behind a screen name.
And all this repetitive nonsense like "...let the kids be..." or "...the kids inherited this..." or "...the kids aren't responsible for the sins of the past..." and so on and so forth.
It’s all just baseless garbage.
Who is anyone defending by saying they should "go their own way"?
Every single generation of leaders has taken over this group when things were already "sink or swim." Everyone knew what they were getting into, and everyone knows there are skeletons in the closet.
...
Has anyone ever forced someone to take over the group? Has anyone ever stepped up against their will?
If you don't have the strength or the desire to take credit for the wins AND responsibility for the losses... then you don't belong in the front lines.
Anyone constantly whining about "legacy" or "inheritance"... they shouldn't even be looking for a spot in this group.
The backseat drivers and lawyers need to just move on and leave people alone.

Scott Smith93 said:What kind of bullshit are you talking about? Go ahead, debunk me point by point. Tell me exactly where I got it wrong.

The only thing I’m itching to do right now is crack heads—specifically the heads of these people who spend years shitting all over forums and Facebook just to whine about their "perfect" version of Real Madrid. They wouldn't even set foot in the stadium if the club was run with the efficiency of Bayern Munich. These guys are always the loudest and most aggressive behind a keyboard. It’s always "Mamić this" and "Mamić that," just constant, mindless vitriol. Then, when that bastard finally leaves Real Madrid one day, these same losers will just invent some brand-new excuse to stay home instead of showing up to a game. Try posting anything on the main thread that actually contradicts their little echo chamber bullshit, and you'll get banned within five minutes. This specific thread is the only bastion of freedom left against the absolute cultists running wild on the internet.

Full support to everyone heading out to the stadium and filling up every single seat in the house. As for those people who are pathologically bitter about the state of Real Madrid—the ones who have turned complaining into a full-time mental hobby where they just nitpick everything that moves—you can all go screw yourselves. Honestly. You’ve become part of the problem instead of being part of the solution.

Hey there.

I’m talking about someone hiding behind a burner account to stir up trouble.

I wiped my posts for the same reason I did last night—once I vent the frustration that builds up from reading total garbage (aka everything I consider nonsense), I realize how pointless all this constant posting on forums and Facebook actually is...

I’m not acting out of malice; I genuinely want this group to become what it deserves to be one day. I assume we all want the same thing—it’s just that our methods for getting there don't always align, which is perfectly normal.

Cheers, everyone, and my apologies if I took things too personally or offended anyone along the way. 👍

Anthony Wood3 said:with our Hajduk, there’s really only one choice—it's either a "double standard"
where you choose the Ultra fans (and their money) or you choose Hajduk🙂.

#Small town

Just another lie I feel like I have to address—mostly so anyone reading this doesn't mistake it for the truth. The Ultras and the city of Miami signed an agreement regarding that cooperation, but the club—and even less so any fan association—doesn't gain anything from it at all. All we get from those damn Ultras is trouble with the pitch and maybe an extra dollar or two per game when playing in a Small town. But since it matters to the city (given the stadium belongs to the municipality), the club doesn't have much say in the matter, and I doubt Hajduk has much leverage here. Let alone the association.

Go ahead and keep whining—I'm sure you'll find something else to complain about pretty soon.👍

Edit: actually, maybe the club does have some say—just stumbled upon this:

And sorry for jumping off-topic again, but I just can't stand reading these lies..