Bad Boys

analogheron19 said:I honestly can't imagine anyone worse than the current group.
In America, I don't think there's a more hated bunch than this crowd... even those people being whispered about in the hallways lately seem like a better alternative than these bottom-feeders.

Just so I'm not seen as downplaying things or whatever—when I said "even worse," I meant a scenario where the current leadership gets replaced by a crew that's basically a textbook mafia (with all the baggage that comes with that). But then again, considering what the current lot has pulled off and who they had help from, I suppose it's almost pointless to debate who's actually worse.

Jesse Wells8 said:The FC Barcelona thread is locked, so I'm asking here... excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is Butina's role at FC Barcelona?

It's a fresh appointment. He'll be running the goalkeeper academy.

Jonathan Edwards8 said:You can just look further south to see what a dedicated group of fans can achieve against those thugs who have basically hijacked the whole country.

Real change only happens when there’s political will, and that kind of will usually stems from the majority opinion.
In Miami, you see a situation like that where there's actual support from most of the population, and they're willing to stand behind you. Because of that, they’ve actually forced local politicians to step up and do something. I really respect the activism and the moves being made there; honestly, if those actions hadn't happened, you wouldn't even be asking what the vibe would be like at the club right now. But they had that crucial advantage—the people were on their side. Here, it feels different. People either couldn't care less about Real Madrid, or the club wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Mommy... or maybe they just enjoy the ritual of looking forward to guaranteed matches in Europe every single year before winter hits.

Jacob Newman74 said:I agree that we shouldn't underestimate the power of the Republican Party, but I also think you're underestimating the power of the streets. Right now, our society looks a lot like a pen full of sheep while wolves are picking them off one by one. Everyone just stands there watching. There isn't a critical mass in this country ready to stand up to the wolves, except for the hardcore fan movements. We're like towers standing around; instead of running toward the wolves and giving them hell, we're hanging out behind the barn, fighting among ourselves, eating, drinking, and sleeping. That’s pretty much the reality. And when the wolves finally target one of us, the rest of us just laugh and make jokes about how he's struggling.

Zoran Mamić was introduced today simply because he can be. All these scandals happening across the country occur because they can. It's because we stay on the sidelines and look for excuses. To top it all off, we get served these mindless divisions—left vs. right, Republican vs. Democrat, red state vs. blue state, this versus that. We're just gnawing on a bone while they laugh at us. Some things need to be set in motion for the sake of America and for our children, not for some political party, some specific club, or some niche group.

I wouldn't say I'm underestimating the power of the streets; it's more that I just don't see it existing. In theory, sure, but you kind of contradicted yourself in that response, and honestly, we're actually saying the same thing... it's that same old story we hear constantly about how stagnant and indifferent Americans have become.

If by "we" you mean the fans, I still maintain that our activism won't change a thing for a dozen different reasons, especially given how we're perceived. And if you mean Americans in general, I don't see any real potential there either. There's one more thing to keep in mind: the Republican Party has been in power for a good chunk of our history, and they've been in much deeper trouble than they are now, even as the GDP grows more than expected under their watch. When I mention the rise in veteran numbers—which is already unrealistically high—just consider how many people and entire generations they have locked in as loyal voters.

I've gotten angry about plenty of things and could probably go on for another hundred times this, but there's no point since everyone already knows the deal.

Sjekirasu, get lost.

Honestly, you Mississippi wind, there’s really no point in me trying to explain things to you when you’ve admitted yourself that you haven't been around for years.
You have no clue what’s actually happening, so trying to have a debate with you is just a waste of time.

Just post the video.
You aren't allowed in the stands anyway... so you've got nothing to lose.

We all know exactly what was discussed with those thugs from Management and what our specific demands were. Anyone who is actually part of this group is fully aware of the situation. So, please, don't try to play the fool by acting like there was any shady maneuvering going on with that crowd.

Jesse Doyle3 said:We all know exactly what was discussed with those thugs from Management and precisely what our demands were, because everyone involved in the group is fully aware of the situation. So, please, don't try to play dumb by acting like there was some shady backroom dealing going on with that crowd.

Honestly, people are being so dense. The most obvious part of this whole thing is that while one group is stuck in a corner, both sides are doing everything in their power to screw each other over whenever they get the chance, even though they're essentially trapped in the same spot. It’s just basic logic. 😁

When is the Boys finally going to say something?

What's with all the nerves?
Just post the video.

unfit said:Man, get your head out of the sand. The people who weren't even allowed in the stands yesterday are actually wanted back there now. It’s ridiculous that a handful of people are being banned while everyone else gets to watch. Remember after that game in Lisbon when we all marched out of the stadium together in one big group? We're sitting here trying to negotiate with Antolic, but honestly, it feels like we're just spinning our wheels and getting nowhere.

So, what's your take on this rumor that Hajduk might have to play the first half of the season in a small suburb because of the ultras? Is it actually possible that someone is intentionally sabotaging them?

Jesse Doyle3 said:Sjekiras, just back off already.

Honestly, you're acting like some wandering desert wind. There’s really no point in me trying to explain things to you when, by your own admission, you haven't even been part of this scene for years.
You have absolutely no clue what's actually happening on the ground, which makes having a real debate with you pretty much impossible.

Don't give me that empty rhetoric. You guys started down the wrong path—call it "subpar" or whatever euphemism you want to use—but what else am I supposed to say? It’s obvious. I see you celebrating goals and trophies like they mean something, I see how people refuse to call out Bjelica, and I see how, instead of targeting Mamić during the big rivalry games, everyone is too busy worrying about Tovar. I don't need to step outside to know it's snowing.

And who told you I don't know what's going on? A year ago, I was right here posting about one specific forum regular... maybe you remember him. I got attacked for it then, too. I stepped away for a few months, and when I came back, the guy had basically exposed himself. Naturally, the whole forum turned on him once they realized whose puppet he actually was.😉 So, just because I'm not physically standing in the stands doesn't mean I'm in the dark. In this argument, I might as well be Jozo Bubalo from Široki Brijeg, someone who never leaves his hometown, because the direction this is heading and the mistakes you've made are plain as day.

steelrider61 said:I’m not trying to play down what happened or anything. When I said things could get even worse, I meant the current group being replaced by a crew that operates like a classic organized crime syndicate—with all the baggage that comes with it. But honestly, since the current guys have been doing exactly that with plenty of help, I don't know if there's much point in debating who the bigger villain is.

We are literally the only club in the world where there isn't a legitimate opposition. There’s nobody out there who would—or even could—step up and show any real interest in taking over the reins.
The way I see it... fans are basically being forced to choose between a mafia that has already proven they couldn't care less about the supporters—actually, they seem hell-bent on destroying them—and a group that might not be quite as destructive.

Justin Cook81 said:Who else is talking about Zoran?

A long-time Hajduk supporter back during the Brbić and NH era.

Jonathan Edwards8 said:If you want an example, just look a little further south and see what a dedicated group of fans can pull off against those insurgents who basically hijacked the government.

So, who’s actually running things in Split?

analogheron19 said:We’re probably the only club on the planet without a decent opposition. There isn't anyone who would even bother—let alone have the guts—to try and step up to take control.
From where I'm sitting, fans are just forced to choose between a mafia that clearly doesn't give a damn about them—and might actually be trying to sink the ship—and whatever comes next.

Besides, now that the old guard is back in charge... what's the point in pretending things are looking up?
If we're just heading back into the meat grinder, we've basically reset to zero. It's a losing game.

I am curious about the next move after this disaster, though. Looking at how they handle things over at Dinamo, it really makes you wonder what kind of country we live in.

Anthony Wood3 said:So, come on—give me your take on this whole situation where Hajduk has to play their home games in a tiny suburb because of the ultras... is it actually possible someone is out here actively sabotaging them?

Wait, you think only three games count toward the first half of the season?

Robert Cooper60 said:Look, now that the big brother is back in the picture... is there even any point in pretending things are looking up?
Basically, if the absolute chaos returns along with him... we're right back at square one, and that’s a massive uphill battle in my book.

But what I really want to know is what happens next after this total disaster (which, honestly, is just business as usual unless you look at how Dinamo operates—it really shows you what kind of country we live in).

That depends on who exactly is getting targeted. If we start coming after the players and Bjelica, I think that would be pure stupidity. But as far as everyone else is concerned, there shouldn't be any leniency whatsoever... there never should have been.

Zoran is just here to offload Olm, and once the transfer window shuts, he’ll be gone. Then you can all go back to pretending the Mamić family left Dinamo for good and start dreaming up new banners for Torcida. #howisthispossible <3

Susan Ward23 said:Zoran is just here to flip Olm and get out once the transfer window slams shut. After that, you lot can go right back to pretending the Mamić family left Dinamo for good while you scramble to come up with some new slogans for Torcida. #whataparty div>

If you say so.👍

Susan Ward23 said:Zoran just showed up to offload Olm, and once the transfer window slams shut, he’s out of here. Then you all can go right back to pretending the Mamić family left Dinamo for good and start dreaming up fresh slogans for the Torcida crowd. #howisthispossible div>

Oh look, an influencer with a makeup kit decided to jump down from her pedestal to grace us with some expert advice. Thanks so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to enlighten us! 👏👏

Honestly, just let her be. You all used to dream about being influencers, filming videos and uploading them to YouTube...

Anthony Wood3, you’re nothing more than a tactical clown; I'm done wasting my time replying to you.

As for the rest of you, I really hope someone speaks up, because if things stay like this, they're only going to get worse.