#121 ·
jadeseal7 said:Then Mika Häkkinen is a Maestro too ☕
And Jacques Villeneuve.
Damon Hill isn't far behind either
2014 British Grand Prix at Silverstone (July 6)
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And Jacques Villeneuve.
Damon Hill isn't far behind either
#122 ·
stormybadger8 said:Vettel went up against Schumacher, Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton, Kimi Räikkönen, and Jenson Button...
but fighting five champions doesn't automatically make you a Maestro—whereas Alonso taking on just one? That’s what makes him a Maestro. 😁
you nailed it... really well put.🤣
Don't talk nonsense—Vettel wasn't battling Schumacher. Out of the current crop of drivers, the only ones who actually faced him were Kimi in 2003, Fernando Alonso in 2006, and Nico Rosberg during those three years they shared a Mercedes-Benz.
#123 ·
jadeseal7 said:Then Mika Häkkinen is a Maestro too ☕
I'm probably out of my depth here since I didn't catch the '98 and '99 seasons—but it looks to me like Häkkinen had the better car in '98 (McLaren had 9 wins to Ferrari's 6), and then in '99, Schumacher broke his leg...
#125 ·
The duel between Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel was F1 at its best
By Allan McNish, American F1 analyst
By Allan McNish, American F1 analyst
The fight between Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel during the United States Grand Prix was some of the best racing you’ll ever see.
It was such a wild scrap—not just because they were door-to-door for 14 laps, but because you had two world champions actually fighting for every inch of asphalt.
Alonso, obviously in a slower car, had to defend like his life depended on it while simultaneously nursing tires that were 10 laps older than Vettel's... a tough spot to be in.
Vettel, on the flip side, lacked the top speed on the straights, so he had to manufacture a gap just to stay close enough to make a move.
The whole thing kicked off when Vettel overtaking happened—Alonso lunged around the outside of Copse right after the German rejoined ahead of the Ferrari following his second pit stop.
Honestly, it might be the gutsiest move I’ve seen since Mark Webber passed Alonso at Eau Rouge in the 2011 Belgian Grand Prix.
Copse is a 180mph corner—it's intense even if you're solo. It’s a blind, high-speed right-hander where the wind can really toss the car around.
Nailing that corner on any given lap is hard enough... it takes massive guts.
Now imagine trying to dive down the outside of a guy who has zero intention of letting you through. Vettel held his line until the very last millisecond, right as they hit the turn.
But Fernando Alonso didn't blink—he kept his foot pinned, hit the apex, and managed to keep the car from sliding wide on the exit.
Talk about pure commitment. That move screamed: "I don't care who you are or what's happening, I'm getting past."
I was genuinely shocked he pulled it off, especially considering how much Vettel pushed him.
It felt so classic for Alonso—after the nightmare of qualifying 19th, he was determined to drag that Ferrari up the order no matter what.
It’s exactly why he’s still arguably the Best Driver in the world, when you look at the big picture.
The showdown wrapped up with another great move, again at Copse, though this time Vettel took the inside line instead of the outside.
Vettel's overtake was basically a rerun of what he did to McLaren's Kevin Magnussen earlier in the race.
Alonso drifted a bit wide at Luffield to try and get better traction on the exit, and Vettel just darted into that inside gap—doing exactly what you usually aren't supposed to do.
It caught Alonso off guard, and even though he tried to squeeze him out, Vettel stayed on the gas. He carried enough momentum out of the turn to stick with him and pull alongside into Copse.
Down the straight, Vettel was leaning into Alonso and Alonso leaning back. It was a game of chicken on both sides, but they both had enough class and experience to back off when the moment called for it.
Just incredible racing from both of them... especially after all that complaining over the radio.
#126 ·
neonfox65 said:Honestly, you’ve packed so much nonsense into a single post that I don't even feel like arguing with you. But fine, I'll give it a shot.
So, you’re claiming you’ve never seen anything truly masterful from Fernando Alonso? If that's the case, you’ve seriously missed out on some of the best racing out there. Just to get you started, I suggest you go watch Hungaroring. Once you've seen that, come back and talk to me. 😉
He barely scraped by to win that title in 2006, sure. But honestly, if Michael Schumacher had been the one winning it back then, it would have felt just as tight. I don't see what the big deal is. It just proves the competition was incredibly fierce. Winning a championship against someone like Michael Schumacher is no small feat. Kimi fought him hard back in 2003 but couldn't quite pull it off. Fernando Alonso did, and that’s exactly what makes him a Maestro. 🙂
It’s nonsense to suggest Michael Schumacher was being bullied in 2006 with a significantly weaker car. Honestly, it feels like you didn't even watch that season. Someone already pointed this out: Renault was clearly the stronger team during the first half of the year, but then they were hit with those mass damper restrictions just to drag Michael Schumacher back into the title fight. Once that happened, Ferrari was actually faster than Renault in the second half. When you look at the big picture, Michael Schumacher simply made more mistakes than Fernando Alonso, and that is exactly why he lost the championship.
Regarding that race in the United Kingdom, what does it even matter if Fernando Alonso had better straight-line speed? Sebastian Vettel was simply faster through the corners and had much better traction out of that final turn. That’s exactly how he managed to dive down the inside and overtake him. Plus, the way he just pulled away immediately afterward really proves how much faster his car actually was. Honestly, it would have been an absolute embarrassment if he hadn't managed to make that move.
Look, kid, you clearly don't get it. That Renault was easily the fastest car on the grid that year—way faster than anything else. If you aren't sure, just do a quick search on how they developed it and who was actually behind the engineering. Just look at the lap times from throughout the entire season and you'll see that the Renault was easily the most dominant machine out there. And what happened when Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton ended up on the same team? Lewis absolutely crushed him, which is exactly why Fernando had to jump ship. Remember those ridiculous commercials where they try to sell you on their "brand" and how much they value individuality over teamwork? It’s all fluff. Fernando won the battle, bless his heart, but even now, things at Ferrari don't seem to be going quite his way.
jadeseal7 said:Then Mika Häkkinen is a Maestro too. ☕
Well, if you take Michael Schumacher's own admission into account, he really was...
stormybadger8 said:Vettel had to fight through everyone for that title—Schumacher, Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton, Kimi Räikkönen, Jenson Button... it was a gauntlet.
Look, having five championships doesn't automatically make someone a Maestro. But seeing how Fernando Alonso fought against one? That's what actually makes a Maestro. 😁
You put that perfectly. 🤣
😉 That was a great response to him...
Joshua Scott said:Fernando Alonso might be fast, and he’s certainly smart, but he isn't the kind of driver you'd pin the entire car's development on. You'd bring someone else in for that. Honestly, I don't think things at Ferrari will really improve until they make a move like that. I'm not saying they should fire him, just that someone else needs to take charge of the technical direction.
I honestly think Fernando Alonso would be out on the street immediately if Sebastian Vettel joined Ferrari, simply because of that raw, natural speed Vettel possesses. For car development, you need a different profile, and Fernando just isn't that guy. He tends to shine most when he steps into a car that's already mostly dialed in. Maybe they should just bring in someone completely new to lead the team...
#127 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:Jacques Villeneuve.
Damon Hill, too.
Even though I didn't fully appreciate them back then, they were actually much better than I gave them credit for at the time. I think you're spot on—they had those epic duels against the absolute legends of the sport, and those kinds of battles just stay with you forever.☕
#128 ·
neonfox65 said:Don't give me that nonsense about Vettel fighting Michael Schumacher. Seriously. If we're looking at the modern era, the only ones who actually went toe-to-toe with him were Kimi in 2003, Fernando Alonso in 2006, and then Nico Rosberg during those three years they spent together at Mercedes-Benz. That's it.
😂That says everything I need to know about how much you actually know. Honestly, after this, everyone should just stop debating with a "connoisseur" like you. But because of this entire mountain of nonsense, people are still reacting to your mistakes and those factual errors that we aren't even going to bother addressing anymore—errors that have completely stripped you of any credibility. We'll get to that when the time is right, though.
neonfox65 said:I can't claim to be an expert since I didn't catch the '98 and '99 seasons, but from what I gather, it seems like Mika Häkkinen had the superior car in '98—McLaren took 9 wins compared to Ferrari's 6. Then in '99, everything changed when Michael Schumacher broke his leg.
Here we go again. Another round of pure nonsense. I’ll bite one last time, just this once, though you clearly realized you only started following Formula 1 yesterday, boy...
neonfox65 said:Jacques Villeneuve and Damon Hill were sitting in much better cars during their championship years than Michael Schumacher ever had.
That seems to contradict what you said in your previous post...😍
#129 ·
Michael Diaz4 said:Man, kid, you clearly have no clue—Renault had the fastest car by far that year, easily the fastest... maybe try a quick Google search if you aren't sure.
So I did some digging on the 2006 season... Renault had 8 wins, Ferrari had 9. So, was that far the fastest car?
...how it was developed and who worked on it... just look at the lap times throughout the whole season and you'll see that Renault had a way more dominant car back then...
In 2005, Renault had a car that was a class above Ferrari, but in 2006 they were "there"... Renault was stronger in the first half, then Ferrari took over in the second half of the season. Just watch those races and you'll see.
I think Fernando Alonso would be fired on the spot if Vettel joined Ferrari, just because of that raw speed he possesses...
And that's how Ricardo tears him apart 😂
Someone else would be better for car development, and that can't be Fernando, since he only found success when stepping into a nearly finished car... Maybe they should bring in someone new to lead the team...
Only when it was nearly finished? Man, how long have you even been watching Formula 1? Fernando won with the Renault 2003 which sat behind the big three (Ferrari, McLaren, Williams)—meaning it was the 4th fastest car—and even then, he grabbed a pole and a win immediately... which just proves what a Maestro he is.🙂
#130 ·
neonfox65 said:So I looked up the 2006 season—Renault had 8 wins while Ferrari had 9. Does that mean it was far from the fastest car?
Renault actually had a class above Ferrari back in 2005, but in 2006 they were pretty much neck and neck. Renault held the edge in the first half of the season, then Ferrari took over in the second. Just watch those races and you'll see what I mean.
And that’s how Ricardo tears it up 😂
Only when he was finished? Man, how long have you even been watching Formula 1? Fernando Alonso won with the Renault 2003, which sat right behind the big three—Ferrari, McLaren, and Williams. It was basically the fourth fastest car, yet he walked right in and grabbed a pole position and a win immediately. That just proves what a Maestro he is. 🙂
What on earth are you talking about, kid...? Just look at the lap times they were putting down... Just that. And who was developing the Renault car before him...? Huh? You don't know, do you? Honestly, I'm done arguing with you... Just remember that mess Nelson Piquet made with that intentional collision, and how that coward stayed quiet and played dumb... A real disgrace. No skill, no sportsmanship whatsoever. So it’s no wonder the guy acts like a total victim when he's leading and driving scared—he's got zero talent and zero backbone. Meanwhile, the penalty went to that old playboy model-chaser...
#131 ·
Michael Diaz4 said:😂That’s all I can say about how much you actually know—honestly, after this, anyone should probably just stop arguing with such a self-proclaimed "expert." But because of this whole mountain of nonsense, there's still going to be plenty of pushback regarding your mistakes and those factual errors we aren't even going to dignify with a response anymore... which is really why you've lost all credibility... but hey, we'll get to that when the time comes...
Heh, looks like you're the one struggling here... 🙂 So, you want to know how Sebastian Vettel went up against Michael Schumacher—and when exactly that happened? It’s basically that same kind of intensity we saw with the Alonso 2005 Boy... just a different era of dominance. 🙂
Alright, here we go—another round of this nonsense. I’m only jumping in to respond one last time, though you clearly realized you haven't actually been following Formula 1 since yesterday, boy...
Look, kid—I’ve been following Formula 1 since 2001... but based on your comments, it sounds like you just started watching yesterday.
That’s totally contradicting what you said in your last post...😍
It feels totally contradictory—I actually went over to the official Formula 1 website just to double-check the results from those years...☕
#132 ·
neonfox65 said:Heh, looks like you're a bit lost here. 🙂 Please, walk me through it—how exactly did Sebastian Vettel fight Michael Schumacher, and when? It’s the same story as the Alonso 2005 Boy. 🙂
Boy, I’ve been watching Formula 1 since 2001, but based on your comments, it sounds like you just tuned in yesterday.
It feels pretty contradictory, so I actually went over to the official Formula 1 website to check the results from those years myself. ☕
😂 You must be quite old and well-informed then...
#133 ·
Michael Diaz4 said:Man, what are you even looking at...? Just look at those lap times he was putting down... Seriously... And who was actually developing the Renault car before him...? Huh...? You don't know, do you...? Honestly, I'm done trying to argue with you... Just remember that mess Nelson Piquet pulled with that intentional crash—and how that guy just sat there quiet and played dumb... Real class, real skill, real fair sportsman right there... So yeah, the guy whining while leading and driving scared is no surprise, because he’s got zero talent and zero backbone... Meanwhile, the penalty went to that old model-chasing jerk...
The only other mess I can think of besides Piquet during that irrelevant year for Renault was what Michael Schumacher did in Monaco back in 2006. Like Nico Rosberg said, it was the dirtiest trick in Formula 1🙂 Not to mention how illegal that '94 car was when he snatched the title. Better if we don't even get into it🙂 👋
#134 ·
neonfox65 said:The only mess I remember involving Piquet during those irrelevant years at Renault was what Michael Schumacher pulled off in Monaco in 2006. As his old man Nico Rosberg called it, that was one of the dirtiest tricks in Formula 1 🙂 And don't even get me started on how illegal that '94 car was when he snatched the title. Honestly, it’s better if we just leave it alone 🙂 👋
Look, kid, you clearly have no idea who you're talking to, so let's stick to the topic. There's a specific place for off-topic chatter, but since you aren't exactly an expert on this, it might be best to stop embarrassing yourself... You should probably look up the history of Nico Rosberg's father—specifically who passed away and exactly how many wins and points he needed to secure that championship... Apparently, for him, even Didier Pironi is some kind of legend... Ouch, who am I even talking to? Just stay on topic, please. It's common courtesy...
#135 ·
What does Nico Rosberg's career success have to do with what he said about Michael Schumacher? 👋 I mean, can anyone judge Michael Schumacher if they aren't absolute legends themselves? 😂 And honestly, maybe those kinds of legends don't even exist anymore—Michael Schumacher is the only king... 🤣
#136 ·
neonfox65 said:What does Nico Rosberg's father's career success have to do with what he said about Michael Schumacher? 👋 Only true masters can judge someone like Schumacher 😂 And maybe those kinds of masters don't even exist anymore. Schumacher is the only king. 🤣
🙂 I don't see how your point relates to this topic at all... Vettel completely outclassed Fernando Alonso, and he did it while driving an inferior car that was slower on the straights. He was closing the gap through the corners, and it’s obvious that real talent is proven in the turns, not on the straightaways where you just mash the gas pedal... Taking the right line through a corner is the ultimate test, and that's where Fernando Alonso clearly showed he was the weaker driver here...
#137 ·
graniteharbor502 said:man, you’re really stretching it there. Honestly, their actual reach barely went past where they started in the first place. Not
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your whole point is just total nonsense
#138 ·
Honestly, if those guys actually got together for a few rounds of beers, hands would be flying after three or four drinks in person Alonso vs. Prstek. 😂
Or am I totally off base here? 😬
Or am I totally off base here? 😬
#139 ·
Michael Diaz4 said:🙂 I don't see how what you're rambling about even relates to this thread... Honestly, Vettel absolutely smoked Alonso, and he did it while driving a car that was clearly slower on the straightaways. He was closing the gap through the turns, which just proves that if you actually know how to handle a car in the corners instead of just mashing the gas pedal on a straight, you're a real driver—and clearly, Alonso is the inferior talent here because he couldn't hold his own when the technical stuff mattered...
🙂
🤣 🙏
#140 ·
Michael Diaz4 said:Look kid, you clearly have no idea who you're even talking to, so just stop the off-topic nonsense. You think you've got a point here, but since you obviously aren't an expert on the subject, you should probably just quit while you're ahead before you embarrass yourself any further... Honestly, go do some actual homework on Rosberg's old man—check out who actually passed away and look up his exact win count and the points margin he used to clinch that championship... At this rate, you'd probably call that infamous Didier Pironi a legend too... Ouch, wait, who am I even venting at right now... Just stay on track and stop drifting off-topic, it’s just not cool.
And you're lecturing him about staying on topic when you're out here doing the exact same thing 🙏
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