2014 Canadian GP - Montreal (June 8)

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American former NFL driver Mark Webber: Bloody fantastic @danielricciardo GP winner get in there!!! First of many...

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Does anyone happen to have a clip of Button slicing past Bottas and Alonso?

Emily Patel64 said:😍

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This aristocrat absolutely crushed it. Pure class. I’m not even sweating the championship outcome anymore—it’s a lock. Hamilton just doesn't have the mental grit to take down Rosberg. Look, Hamilton is fast—insanely fast—but he lacks the brains for this. A housefly is fast too, but that doesn't mean it's winning Grand Prix races. You can't win a title on raw speed alone. Hamilton might end up with more wins than Rosberg by the end of the season, but he won't have the points. And at the end of the day, points are all that matter.

It'll be pretty hilarious watching people try to argue for Prost while refusing to admit that Rosberg is just as good.

ruggedhawk20 said:This aristocrat absolutely nailed it. Pure class. Honestly, I’m not even sweating the championship outcome for our guys. Hamilton just doesn't have the mental fortitude to outmaneuver Prost—I mean, Rosberg. Look, Hamilton is fast, like, insanely fast, but he lacks the brains. A housefly is fast too, incredibly fast, but you don't see it winning Grand Prix races, do you? You can't win a title on raw speed alone. Hamilton might end up with more wins than Rosberg by the end of the season, sure, but he won't have the points. And at the end of the day, it's the points that actually matter.

It’s gonna be hilarious watching people try to argue for Prost while refusing to admit that Rosberg is just as damn good.

Rosberg has way more luck than actual sense; the guy somehow manages to turn his own screw-ups into a freaking profit, for god's sake.🙄
That luck isn't going to last forever, though.

Comparing Prost to Rosberg is basically heresy.

Edward Howard2 said:as far as Red Bull goes...
Ricciardo started P6 and took the win... which totally proves that with a Red Bull you can actually win even if you start from somewhere worse than third, which is news to us all since we clearly had no idea that was even possible...
the fraud started third and finished third...

You either know or you don't. ☕

darkmarlin16 said:Rosberg has more luck than brains—man actually profits from his own screw-ups, seriously. 🙄
Even he won't be this lucky forever.

Comparing Prost to Rosberg is straight-up blasphemy.

It’s either instinct or it isn't. ☕

Darkmarlin16. Luck doesn't exist. Science can't prove luck is even a thing.

What we call "luck" is just pure coincidence. And the interesting thing about coincidence? It hits all twenty-two drivers equally.

No point comparing drivers in other teams, but you definitely compare teammates.

Hamilton has 2 DNFs, Rosberg has 0

That's not luck—it's results.

I honestly think Matt Massa should have had that yesterday.

First mistake—one sloppy opening move cost him precious seconds and dumped him right into the pack.
Second mistake—he was clearly outperforming Valtteri Bottas, yet Williams failed to react sooner and let him through.

Here is a quick look from the Mercedes camp regarding the technical nightmare they dealt with today:

Mercedes-Benz reported that a "failure in the high-voltage control electronics caused a total loss of MGU-K drive for both cars during today's race."

"Both cars ran into trouble during the same lap," explains Toto Wolff. "Once Lewis Hamilton pitted—given the nature of the stop—the brake temperatures spiked uncontrollably, and he lost them. Nico Rosberg managed to save the day with an incredible drive.

"We were aware that the brakes could be a weak point, but this specific situation arose because losing the MGU-K puts significantly more strain on the braking system. And with the rise in temperatures in the pits you end up having a real problem."

Regarding whether the team might implement team orders to prevent the drivers from overstressing the machinery, Toto Wolff noted: "We can certainly talk about whether team orders make sense. Up until this point, we've stuck to our core philosophy.

"Our two drivers performed flawlessly. You could argue that a freezing order might have helped the final result, but that isn't our style, nor is it what the fans want to witness."

Quote: Mercedes chief Niki Lauda says the team had an "overheating issue" during the race, though at this stage, they "don't quite understand the cause."

Lauda added: "The brake issues hit Lewis Hamilton's car, but Nico Rosberg did a phenomenal job to secure second place despite his own struggles.

"That was a true champion's performance from Nico; he had a massive mountain to climb there.

"These things happen—you aren't going to sweep every race. Our priority now is to dissect exactly what went wrong and ensure it's resolved. We will fix it."

That charming Nico continues to quietly outclass Lewis with that ice-cold composure of his.

Honestly, Sergio Perez really did Nico Rosberg a massive favor there; if it weren't for him, both Red Bull Racing cars and Felipe Massa would have cruised right past him within just a few laps, though he was smart enough to nurse the car home to the finish. Part of me is glad to see it, though, because I'm really hoping someone eventually knocks Lewis Hamilton down a peg, since the moment their technical issues started, they should have stopped fighting each other and focused entirely on getting those cars to the line... I suppose if they didn't have such a huge lead in the championships, they would've been called out for it, but since they're so far ahead, they basically got away with it. It’s just frustrating to see them run into those kinds of struggles in a race they should have won easily.

Can we expect the same kind of thing to happen at Indianapolis?

I personally wish they'd give drivers back control over the MGU-K so they could actually show some skill again—I mean, remember how some drivers used to gain time or pull off overtakes just by being smarter with how they managed the Kinetic Energy Recovery System? It would be cool if they could just decide how much energy goes to the MGU-H for turbo acceleration versus what goes into the MGU-K, and then choose exactly when to hit the button to deploy it.

Nico Rosberg basically just vacuumed up a massive haul of points again because of Lewis Hamilton's luckless situation. Honestly, it’s probably better for him that things went down this way instead of him actually grinding out a win, especially since Luxury ended up sitting in second.

darkmarlin16, I’m basically just quoting you at this point—how can you be so blind when the facts are right in front of you?! Nothing "unlucky" happened to Lewis Hamilton; they both hit technical glitches at the exact same time. One guy got lucky, the other didn't. It's not fate—it's just basic logic.

Anyone got a link to download or stream the full race? Shoot me a PM if you do. Thanks!

Edward Howard2 said:Max absolutely cleaned out the sportsbook...

Max, we are only at the seventh race and you are already bragging about your parlay wins? 😍
Well, let it be; I am actually quite glad to see you coming out on top for once. 👍

Edward Howard2 said:even though I didn't really care who won before Monaco, I think I would much rather see Nico Rosberg take the win now... 😁

Perhaps you and I could find some common ground and root for the same driver for once? 😁

Edward Howard2 said:as far as Red Bull Racing is concerned...
Daniel Ricciardo started in 6th and went on to win the race... proving to us that it is entirely possible to win with a Red Bull Racing car even when starting from a position lower than third, which is a revelation since we apparently never knew such a thing was possible...
Meanwhile, the fraud started third and finished third...

Well, life is unpredictable; sometimes luck is on your side, and sometimes it simply isn't. As much as I adore Daniel Ricciardo, he was truly unfortunate this time around. First, there was the interference with Sebastian Vettel during the pit stops, and then, at the most critical moment, Sergio Perez had to reset his system, just as the Australian was making his move to overtake him.

ruggedhawk20 said:That aristocrat performed fantastically. Simply crude. I have no doubts whatsoever regarding the championship outcome. Lewis Hamilton simply lacks the mental fortitude required to beat Alain Prost—pardon me, Nico Rosberg. It is true, Lewis Hamilton is fast, exceptionally fast, but he lacks the intellect. Even a fly is fast, incredibly fast, yet it does not go on to win Grand Prix races. Speed alone is insufficient to secure a championship victory. Lewis Hamilton might end the season with more individual wins than Nico Rosberg, but he will not have more points. And in the end, it is the points that count.

It will be quite fascinating to read the arguments of those who idolize Prost while refusing to acknowledge Nico Rosberg as being equally talented.

Emily Patel64 said:that stoic Nico keeps relentlessly belittling all things luxury with his cold, detached demeanor

Straight into the heart of the fray with ruggedhawk20 and Emily Patel64👍

ruggedhawk20 said:darkmarlin16, I’m basically just gonna flip your words back at you here—seriously, how can you be so incredibly blind when you clearly have working eyes?! It wasn't some freak accident that caught up with Lewis Hamilton, it was just both of them hitting technical glitches at the exact same time. One guy managed to dodge it, the other didn't. Luck has absolutely zero to do with it. It’s just pure logic, man.

I don't recall Nico Rosberg having brake failure, do you? 🤷

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darkmarlin16 said:I don't recall Nico Rosberg ever dealing with brake failure. 🤷

Both drivers lost their Energy Recovery System—which brakes on the rear axle—meaning they had to rely much more heavily on the standard brakes. Once that happens, balance becomes everything. Nico Rosberg managed to dial in his brake balance better than Lewis Hamilton after the ERS failure, which effectively reduced the load on them.

So—Hamilton’s brakes overheated and gave out, while Rosberg's held steady. A revisit to 1989.

darkmarlin16 said:I don't recall Nico Rosberg's brakes failing. 🤷

Look, it wasn't Lewis Hamilton's brakes that gave out. Both guys had their MGU-K fail—and when the MGU-K goes, the brakes take a massive hit. Rosberg managed to save his brakes despite the MGU failure, but Lewis Hamilton couldn't.

If this isn't obvious to you, maybe stick to football—you clearly can't handle tracking timing in Formula 1.

Anyway, here comes the inevitable whining and everyone acting like they're at a frat party.

They basically gave Nico Rosberg a heads-up on what to do when Lewis Hamilton's engine cut out. It seems like it failed because he was pushing hard to catch Rosberg earlier; if he hadn't been chasing him, maybe it wouldn't have happened.

It wasn't Lewis Hamilton's brakes that failed—he basically sabotaged them himself.

What actually went south was the MGU-K, which crapped out on both cars at the exact same time.

Nico Rosberg actually had the skill to adjust his driving on the fly when the brakes started wearing down too fast, so he managed to save them. Lewis? Not so much.

Raw speed isn't everything—you actually need some driving talent too.

stormybadger8 said:...

Honestly, the ranking was basically Mercedes, Williams, Formula 1, McLaren... nothing for a long time, then Red Bull Racing and Ferrari showing up somewhere around there.
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If you're just trolling, fine. But if you actually think Williams, Formula 1, and McLaren are way better than Red Bull Racing, then you’ve got some serious judgment issues. You're a drag to talk to—someone really needs to set you straight.

Red Bull Racing is easily the second-best car right now.

McLaren truth, Formula 1, and Williams have better engines—but a car isn't just an engine.

Besides, McLaren is basically a junker that's only kept out of the gutter by that engine.