2014 Monaco Grand Prix Recap & Discussion

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graniteharbor502 said:Way too little? If you're just looking at points, sure, I agree. But if you look at what actually happened on track, the story changes completely.
At the Australian Grand Prix, according to Pat Fry, it wasn't exactly a failure: "On both the F14 Ts, we had some electrical problems, especially on Kimi’s car, which meant he couldn’t use all the car’s potential."
In the Malaysian Grand Prix, Kimi was right behind Alonso in the second lap before Magnussen punctured his tire. Kimi somehow limped back to the pits, but he damaged the floor in the process.
At the Bahrain Grand Prix, there was an unnecessary pit call to swap to tires that were only seven laps old (the harder compound for that race) using already used rubber. Even then, he managed to finish just behind Alonso. Does that mean Alonso also performed way too little in that race?
Regarding the Chinese Grand Prix, let's ignore the car issues that meant he only completed an installation lap in P1 and say he failed that race.
At the Spanish Grand Prix, Kimi Räikkönen was faster than Alonso in qualifying (and Ted Kravitz showed that document where the FIA warned Ferrari after qualifying to align the Spanish driver's power unit with the regulations), and he was ahead in the race too, while the team failed twice to show which driver they were favoring through strategy. Despite being on the less favorable strategy, Kimi finished just one spot behind Alonso. So, did Alonso perform way too little there as well?
And finally, the Monaco Grand Prix. Do we even need to mention the order after the first (and for most, only) round of pit stops? And what happens: Max Chilton charges up behind the safety car mid-corner and punctures Kimi's tire:

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Jamie Hall said:If this doesn't rattle them, nothing will.

If they want to live in a conspiracy theory, let 'em... 🤣

ruggedfox28 said:but honestly, no matter how you slice it, everything always seems to circle back to this intra-team duel—which is just masterfully tragic for a driver who is supposedly so talented

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ruggedfox28 said:but no matter how you look at it, everything always seems to revolve around an intra-team duel. Truly tragic for a driver supposedly possessing such mastery.

Jason Campbell70 said:An internal team battle?

1. Nico Rosberg 122
2. Lewis Hamilton 118
3. Fernando Alonso 61
4. Daniel Ricciardo 54
5. Nico Hulkenberg 47
6. Sebastian Vettel 45
7. Valtteri Bottas 34
8. Jenson Button 31
9. Kevin Magnussen 21
10. Sergio Perez 20

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graniteharbor502 said:Way too low? If you're just looking at points, sure, I agree. But if you look at what actually happened on track, things look quite different.
At the Australian Grand Prix, according to Pat Fry, I wouldn't say he underperformed: "On both the F14 Ts, we had some electrical problems, especially on Kimi's car, which meant he couldn't use all the car's potential."
In Malaysia, during the second lap, Kimi was right behind Alonso when Magnussen punctured his tire. Kimi somehow limped back to the pits, but he damaged the floor in the process.
At the Bahrain Grand Prix, there was an unnecessary pit call to change tires that were only seven laps old (the harder compound for that race) using already used rubber. He still managed to finish just behind Alonso. Does that mean Alonso also performed way too low in that race?
For China, let's ignore the car issues that limited him to just an installation lap in P1 and claim he underperformed there.
At the Spanish Grand Prix, Kimi Raikkonen was faster than Alonso in qualifying (and Ted Kravitz showed that document where the FIA warned Ferrari after qualifying to align the Spanish driver's power unit with the rules), and he was ahead in the race too, while the team failed twice to show which driver they were favoring through strategy. Despite being on the less favorable strategy, Kimi finished just one spot behind Alonso. So, did Alonso perform way too low in that race as well?
And finally, the Monaco Grand Prix, should I mention what happened regarding the order after the first (and only, for most drivers) pit stops. And what occurs: Max Chilton hits a curb behind the safety car and punctures Kimi's tire:

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Jamie Hall said:Reply...

maminho said:I have no idea why you feel the need to spam this thread 🤷

stormybadger8 said:It looks like you aren't watching Sky, and you clearly aren't listening to what Niki Lauda has to say.😁
According to Niki Lauda's take on what happened during the Spanish Grand Prix, Lewis Hamilton was basically just pulling extra power out of the engine himself. It makes you wonder, though—what kind of loophole did he find that kept the FIA from handing out a penalty?
It sounds a little strange, doesn't it? That claim that Lewis Hamilton drove in Spain with more power than he was actually allowed to have—and then supposedly apologized to Nico Rosberg for it—all without facing any kind of penalty. How does that even work?😕

Jamie Hall said:Reply...

Jason Campbell70 said:Nah, that’s not an answer—those are just excuses.

graniteharbor502 said:Way too low? If you're just looking at the points tally, sure, I can see that. But if you actually watch what was happening out on the track...

dustycyclist19 said:Formula 1 isn't really your scene.🙄
I know Kimi is your favorite, but you have to face the facts: he got absolutely hammered out there. It’s clear even his stomach couldn't handle the intensity of that race. 😂

ruggedfox28 said:okay.. you just canceled your beer order indefinitely 🤣

steelmaker83 said:Aside from showing you have zero clue about the sport you're following, you're being incredibly impulsive and clearly struggling to grasp the point. And no, that's not an insult—it's just a reaction to your response to my comment.

Look, buddy, I made it very clear in my post (maybe try reading it again?) that Kimi could only have been overtaken during regular pit stops, not on track, since the SC didn't happen. I also explicitly stated that while it would be tough for Alonso, it would be much more likely for Ricciardo.

My assumption is based on the fact I laid out. It's a fact, not some fiction, and I'm mostly pointing it out because it's hilarious how Kimi's fans panicked immediately—just like you, predictably rushed and reactionary.

None of this, obviously, means it actually *would* have happened. It just highlights the obvious fact that both Ricciardo and Alonso created a Gap between themselves and Kimi, eventually catching up to him at the same time and pace.

I didn't have the time to sit down and calculate exactly where Kimi would have ended up on track after his pit entry, or if those two actually had the pace to close that gap once they were back out. I just said it was highly plausible. Kimi clearly wasn't looking good, and it was obvious those two were catching him with ease.

And then I have to listen to this nonsense about Kimi having good pace, LOL.

George Ramos15 said:Rosberg cheated in Bahrain, so what now? Might as well just give up. Watching Sky right now...

stormybadger8 said:The real question is, who is this kid? How can Mercedes drivers themselves just dial up the engine power when we know Red Bull Racing can't? If you remember the mess with Ricciardo and the fuel, the FIA was very clear: a driver has zero influence over that. 😉
Second point—if it’s actually true they were running more power than allowed, then it clearly means one of two things:

A. A. Mercedes was cheating (like Rosberg in Bahrain, or Hamilton in Spain), and for some reason, the FIA didn't penalize them...
B. Mercedes is constantly running with significantly less power than they are capable of, essentially keeping a massive power reserve they aren't even using...

If it's scenario B, then the season is basically over before it started, because it means nobody stands a chance against them. But if it's scenario A? Then we have another huge problem on our hands.