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Jamie Rivera78 said:I don't care about the odds themselves. If I figure out the risk-to-reward ratio is worth it, I'm in. Obviously, I'm not betting on 1.01 every single time.
Also, you gotta realize the lines on DraftKings are way better. What’s 1.01 elsewhere is at least 1.03 here (even higher if you're live betting), so the risks aren't actually as bad as people claim in this thread.
Anyway, I agree that betting on 1.01 is probably a losing game everywhere except DraftKings.

Man... just watch yourself. I don't know how big your bankroll is to be playing around with stakes like that, but I've seen all kinds of disasters. I haven't seen a single one of these schemes actually work long-term. I personally know guys who took out payday loans trying to chase an "X" using Martingale, thinking the next one *had* to hit. It's way too easy to go broke fast.

I’ve been scrolling back through this whole thread from the top, and honestly... it feels like everyone here is either rooting for DraftKings or just obsessed with Bet365. Anyone actually had a bad run with them?

Nicholas Lopez89 said:I went back and read this whole thread from the top, and honestly, it feels like everyone on here is obsessed with either Expect or Bet365. Does anyone actually have bad experiences with them?

Do a little digging on the forums and see what people are actually saying... personally, Bet365 has 👍 a massive selection and solid live betting... plus their welcome bonus is actually decent.

Bryan Adams6 said:Man... just watch your step here. I don't know how deep your pockets are or if you can actually afford to mess around with stakes like that, but I've seen every kind of disaster attempt in my time... and honestly? Not one of them worked out. I personally know guys who went out and took out high-interest loans from sharks just because they were chasing an "X" using Martingale, thinking the next one was a "sure thing." It’s a fast track to hitting rock bottom.

There are always horror stories floating around gambling in general, usually because people have zero clue how to manage their bankroll. And look, if you can't handle your money, it doesn't matter if you're betting on a 1.01 underdog or a 1.80 flyer. You'll end up in the exact same hole.
It's always better to take a tiny win than to lose everything.
The people taking out loans to cover their losses? They definitely don't know the first thing about bankroll management.

Just wanted to point out how much of a difference the sportsbook makes when you're playing the low odds.
Man City-Swansea under 5,5
DraftKings 1,02
FanDuel 1,09

under 4,5
DraftKings 1,15
FanDuel 1,22
The gap is actually massive. It might even make someone rethink what's actually worth betting on depending on which bookie they use.

Just because the odds on FanDuel look higher doesn't mean you're getting value.

Winning consistently really just boils down to one thing: being better at calculating probabilities than the market or the sportsbook.

That 1.22 line on FanDuel implies the market sees an 81.9% chance of it happening. To even break even once you factor in the commission, you'd need to nail those picks 82.6% of the time. Naturally, you actually want to make money, so you'll need to beat that number.

Unless you have a legitimate reason to believe your math is superior to the house, don't bother.

The issue with small odds is that most casual players hunt them exclusively. Because everyone piles in, the value evaporates. Finding a profitable bet at those levels is rare.

Jack Johnson6 said:just because the odds on FanDuel look juicy doesn't mean you're actually getting value.

Winning consistently really just boils down to being better at calculating probabilities than the market or the sportsbook is.

That 1.22 odd on FanDuel implies the market thinks there's an 81.9% chance of it happening. But if you factor in the commission, you'd need to nail those picks at an 82.6% clip just to break even. And obviously, if you actually want to make money, you've gotta aim higher than that.

Before you dive into stuff like that, you better have a damn good reason to believe you can read the odds better than the house.

The real headache with those tiny odds is that most casual bettors only touch stuff like that, which drives the value down. It's pretty rare to find a low-odd bet that's actually worth the risk.

You can use that exact same logic for a 10.00 underdog. The whole thing comes down to: are you going to hit once in ten tries? Basically, are you smarter than the bookie?
The truth is, most people chase those small odds, which is why they drop. But I haven't really seen that happen with over/under bets. In fact, I often see those small odds actually climb right before kickoff. Honestly, based on my own math, small odds aren't any worse than the big ones—provided you actually know how to pick your matchups.

Exactly. It doesn't matter if you're hunting long shots or sticking to the heavy favorites. What matters is having a legitimate reason to believe the bet holds value.

The odds on under/over markets aren't going to be unrealistically low because casual bettors don't usually chase them. They mostly just hammer the favorites. That’s why you rarely see a decent payout when betting on the big names like Real Madrid, Manchester City, or Novak Djokovic.

Jack Johnson6 said:Exactly. It doesn't matter if you're chasing small, big, or medium odds. What matters is having an actual reason to believe that bet is worth your cash.

And look, those underdog lines won't be unrealistically high because casual players mostly ignore them anyway. They just hammer away at the favorites. That’s why it’s such a joke trying to make money betting on the massive names—like Real Madrid, Man City, or Novak Djokovic. You're basically throwing money away.

I'm with you 100%. Chasing the heavy favorites day in and day out is just a one-way ticket to losing your shirt in the long run.

Chasing those 1.01 odds? Look, man, in the long run, you're just spinning your wheels for nothing. You end up risking a massive stake just to see a tiny bit of turnover, and at the end of the day, the profit is practically nonexistent. People have already warned you about this more than once—I’m certainly not going to be the one to nag you again. Just go ahead, try it, and see how it plays out for yourself. Maybe you'll find some magic way to make it work. Some things are just better learned the hard way.

Walter Edwards said:Chasing 1.01 odds is a losing game in the long run. You’re basically risking a massive stake just to see a tiny bit of turnover with zero real profit to show for it. People have already warned you about this multiple times, and honestly, I'm not going to waste my breath again. Go ahead, try it yourself and see how it plays out—maybe you've cracked some secret code. Some lessons are just better learned the hard way.

Man, you clearly didn't read a single word I wrote.
1. I only hit those 1.01 bets once in a blue moon.
2. Where you actually place your bets when hunting low odds matters big time.
3. I'll take a tiny win over nothing any day of the week.
Do you honestly think chasing huge longshots (like, anything over 5) is somehow more profitable?

Look, you clearly missed the point of what I was saying. It doesn’t matter how many times you hit a 1.01 odd over the long haul—and when I say long haul, I mean years, not just some lucky month—it’s just not worth it, even if you only pull the trigger once a month. And honestly, it doesn't matter which sportsbook you're using, whether it's DraftKings or whatever else, because a 1.01 odd only nets you a measly 1% return on your stake. The issue isn't the house; the issue is the math. That tiny profit is just pathetic—risking $1,500 just to scrape together $15? How many times a month are you doing that? What kind of "profit" is that? Not to mention, on a site like FanDuel, they might not even accept the bet, or they could just flat-out reject you for trying to place a stake like that.

And no, I’m not sitting here suggesting that chasing 5.00 odds is somehow more profitable—I'm just saying that playing 1.01 is a losing game. But hey, like I said, that’s just my take. You’ve got your own way of looking at it, so go ahead and test it out if you want.

Walter Edwards said:Look, you clearly missed my point entirely. It doesn't matter how many times you hit a 1.01 odd in the long run—and I’m talking long run, like years, not just a month—it’s still a losing game. Doesn't matter if you play it once a month or whatever. And honestly, it doesn't matter which sportsbook you use because a 1.01 odd only nets you 1% on your stake. It’s not about the house; it’s about the math. That tiny return is pathetic. Why would you risk $1,500 just to scrape together $15? How often can you even do that in a month? What kind of profit is that? Plus, on sites like FanDuel, they might not even accept your bet, or they'll just flat-out reject you if your stake is too high.

And no, I'm not saying betting on 5.00 odds is somehow better; I'm just saying 1.01 is a joke. But hey, that's just my take. You've got yours, so go ahead and try it if you want.

There are basically three things to address here.
1. I get it, 1.01 doesn't do it for you because the payout is tiny and your bankroll grows at a snail's pace. Me? I play to make money, even if it's small change. From what I've seen, at least 90% of players end up in the red.
2. Where you actually place your bets matters a ton. For example, right now, the "under 5.5 goals" line for Manchester-Tottenham is sitting at 1.02 on DraftKings, but over on FanDuel, it's 1.08. That's four times the profit. To me, that’s where the value lives, and it makes a massive difference. Almost every book out there, except for FanDuel, squeezes huge margins out of those tiny odds, making it a total waste of time. FanDuel is the outlier.
3. FanDuel actually accepts your bets as long as you're within the limits. And the limits are pretty high.
From what I can tell, most people stick to the 1.10-1.60 range. I also notice our local pros rarely touch anything over 2.00. Turns out, there's no money in that either. So, why don't you enlighten us? Which odds do you think actually pay off?

Jamie Rivera78 said:There are actually three main points here.
1. I get why you aren't happy with those 1.01 odds—the returns are tiny and the bankroll grows at a snail's pace. But look, I play to make money, even if it’s just pennies at a time. From what I can see, at least 90% of players end up in the red anyway.
2. Where you choose to place your bets matters immensely. For example, looking at the Manchester-Tottenham game today, the "under 5.5 goals" line is sitting at 1.02 on DraftKings, but over at FanDuel, it’s 1.08. That’s basically four times the profit. To me, that’s where the actual value lies, and it makes a massive difference. Most sportsbooks, excluding FanDuel, slap huge margins on those low-end odds, making them practically worthless. FanDuel is the outlier here.
3. FanDuel accepts almost any bet you throw at them, provided you stay within the limits. And let's be honest, the limits are pretty high.
From what I know, most people stick to the 1.10-1.60 range. I also notice our "experts" rarely touch anything above a 2.00. It turns out there isn't much money to be made there either. So, why don't you tell us: which odds do you think actually offer the best value?

None of them, and all of them...

Everyone has their own system, right? Personally, I think you have a better shot hitting a single 1.40 odd than trying to grind out 1.02 seventeen times in a row just to reach that same 1.40 total. Isn't that just common sense?

In your book, is it worth chasing a single 1.40, or grinding through 1.02 seventeen times? Which path actually gives you the better odds of winning?

Jamie Rivera78 said:Can you suggest which odds are actually worth it?

Look, I don't look at odds through that lens—there’s no such thing as a "profitable" odd in and of itself (like saying 1.50 is good but 1.30 isn't). It's really just about whether an odd offers actual value for a specific stake, and that could be anything from 1.01 to 1000; it doesn't matter. The main thing is that *I* determine if it's worth it. Only then do the sportsbooks come into play to see who's offering the best price.
If you want to get serious about betting, you can't just obsess over the number—even though, yeah, the coefficient is a massive part of the game. It's like trying to pick a matchup based solely on head-to-head stats, team news, recent form, or home advantage. You can't just look at one slice of the pie.

Also, there aren't any FanDuel limits per se; everything just depends on which market you're playing and how many people are actually willing to take your bet.

Walter Edwards said:Look, I don't look at odds that way. There’s no such thing as a "profitable" odd per se (like saying 1.50 is good but 1.30 isn't). It's just about whether an odd is worth the stake or not—and that could be anything from 1.01 to 1000. Doesn't matter. As long as I judge it as a value play, it's a go. That's when the sportsbooks come into play, seeing which one gives me the best juice.
You can't reduce serious betting down to just the odds (even though they're obviously a huge part of the game), just like you wouldn't pick a parlay based solely on head-to-head stats, team news, recent form, or home-field advantage.

Also, there aren't any limits on FanDuel; it all just depends on which market you're hitting and how many people are actually willing to take your bet.

That's pretty much my headspace too.
What you said about FanDuel is spot on. Usually, if I put in the work to hunt down a better line, it pays off.

Thomas Mendoza45 said:Neither one, or maybe both...

Everyone’s got their own little system. Personally, I think you’ve got a better shot hitting a single 1.40 odd than trying to grind out seventeen 1.02 bets in a row just to end up at the same 1.40. Right?

So, what's the move in your book? Chasing a 1.40 once, or hitting 1.02 seventeen times? Which one actually has the better odds of working out?

I used to live for those 1.30 or 1.40 lines. Honestly? It didn't go well.
There's no way to say which one is "easier." You can't rush the money; if you try to sprint toward a payout, you're just gonna trip. There’s no such thing as fast cash in gambling. Man, wouldn't it be sweet if you could just double your bankroll every couple of days? But let's be real—that's a pipe dream.

Jamie Rivera78 said:It seems like you missed my point entirely.
1. I only touch those 1.01 odds once in a blue moon.
2. Honestly, where you choose to bet those tiny margins actually matters quite a bit.
3. Look, a small win is still better than walking away empty-handed.
Do you really think chasing massive long shots—say, anything over 5.00—is any more profitable?

I'm not going to lecture you—everyone else here has already said what I was thinking anyway—but here’s a quick example of how someone actually made money at a sportsbook (though you definitely need a deep pocket for this). This guy picked one specific team in the NHL and just consistently bet on a draw—well, if we're talking hockey logic, he played the outcome steadily—and by the end of the season, he was up big. If you have the stomach (and the bankroll) to handle the swings, it works.

jadedrifter2 said:Look, I won't lecture you—everyone else has already said what I was thinking anyway... but here’s an example of how someone actually made money at a sportsbook (though you'd need a massive bankroll to pull it off!). This guy picked one specific team in the NHL and just kept betting on them to tie. By the end of the season, he was up big. If you have the financial stomach for it, that's the way to go.

Then there's the system everyone knows as Martingale—the one where people lose their houses, their families, and honestly, their entire lives.👍

He was actually up for a bit... though if you take a look at the odds for a draw in hockey, they’re consistently sitting above 4, while the moneyline picks for either side usually hover around 2—and that’s not even talking about those bottom-tier teams that just can't catch a break.