Best offshore sportsbooks for online betting?

Eric Fox7 said:It's more likely to be 2.3 out of 3🙂

Wait, what does "2.3/3" even mean?

Justin Fowler29 said:So what does a 2.3/3 actually mean?

I already explained how Trixie works, but here’s the breakdown again.

Joshua Garcia8 said:Yeah, you got it. If you want a standard bet, you just play an X-fold accumulator (where X is the total number of picks).

For a Trixie, you get the standard single accumulator from those 3 picks plus all the doubles within them.
Like, if I pick three games—A, B, and C—and go with a Trixie, I'll get:
1. One single ticket containing all picks (A+B+C)
2. 3 doubles:
A+B
A+C
B+C

btw Bet365 has this new interface for live betting (personally, I dig it way more than the old one). It's loaded with all kinds of match stats, and even player subs (with card details) 🙏Update
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Anyway, good luck to everyone using HL, SS, and the rest. 🙂

Looks like a real headache 😁

Justin Fowler29 said:Looks complicated 😁

Actually, it's pretty straightforward 🤷 if you take those three pairs (A, B, and C)—when you play a 2,3/3 Trixie, you end up with 4 slips:
1. one slip with all the picks (A+B+C)
2. a slip with A+B
3. a slip with A+C
4. a slip with B+C

Justin Fowler29 said:So, what does 2.3/3 actually mean in this context? I feel like we're overcomplicating things, but then again, that's just how these discussions usually go—everyone's looking for a deep philosophical breakdown when it might just be simple math. Or maybe it isn't. Honestly, sometimes you spend more time debating the definition than actually dealing with the numbers themselves.

So, I was looking at this setup—running both a 2/3 and a 3/3 system on a single slip. Just a standard parlay, straight to the point.
So, looking at the numbers here—we’ve got four combinations in total. That breaks down to two where you're hitting 2 out of 3 tries, and then just one where you actually nail the full 3 out of 3.

I didn't even notice that Joshua Garcia8 had already jumped in with an answer. 🙂

Joshua Garcia8 said:Look, it’s actually pretty straightforward 🤷 if you’ve got three picks (A, B, and C). When you go with a 2,3/3 Trixie, you end up with four separate bets:
1. one big parlay covering everything (A+B+C)
2. a double with just A+B
3. a double with A+C
4. a double with B+C

Man, I was overthinking how to play it. Now that I see the breakdown, it makes total sense.🙂

Has anyone here had much experience using Ladbrokes? It seems pretty solid—maybe not quite on the level of Pinnacle, but still quite decent in my book. If you have any insights, I'd love to hear them. Thanks a million.

Lawrence Alvarez3 said:Anyone have experience with Ladbrokes? It seems pretty solid—maybe not quite on the level of Pinnacle, but still decent. If you know anything, let me know. Thanks!

I gotta say, it’s actually one of my favorite books. They let me bet for two years without hitting any limits, though when they finally did, they just dropped my max bet straight to 0 Euro 🤣. They have great limits on volleyball, handball, and other niche sports, not just the big leagues (the major ones are fine everywhere, I guess). Deposits and withdrawals were smooth too—I only ever used Moneybookers, so I can't speak to cards, but they didn't even ask for ID copies. Sometimes their odds are the best out there for tennis, volleyball, or soccer (especially Asian Handicap), but overall, their prices aren't necessarily the highest in the market. If that's your main priority, maybe there are better options. Still, I'd recommend keeping them in your back pocket, though if you only want one single account, you might find better elsewhere.

Kenneth Brooks2 said:I have to admit, this is one of my favorite books to use—mostly because they actually let me play without hitting limits for two whole years (though, when they finally did decide to limit me, it was straight to a maximum bet of zero EUR 🤣). They offer excellent limits on volleyball, handball, and other niche sports—not just the big leagues, either (I won't even mention the major ones since most books have decent limits there anyway). Deposits and withdrawals were seamless, too—though I only ever used Moneybookers, so I can't speak to their card processing—and they didn't even bother asking me for copies of my ID. Every now and then, they actually have the best odds on the market—specifically for tennis, volleyball, and soccer (especially Asian Handicap)—but overall, their prices aren't exactly the strongest out there (if that’s your main priority, you can find better). In any case, I'd recommend keeping them in your rotation, but if you're looking to stick to just one single online bookmaker, there are definitely better options out there.

Thanks a ton for the detailed breakdown; you really covered all the bases. It looks like while the odds aren't always top-tier, those extra tennis handicaps they offer are a pretty cool touch. So, they don't aggressively limit you and they aren't being difficult about paperwork... if you happen to know of anything better than this one, please feel free to share. Just don't suggest Bet365 or SBOBet—I've had quite enough of those two. Cheers.

Lawrence Alvarez3 said:Thanks so much, you really went into detail there. I noticed the odds aren't amazing either, but they have those extra tennis handicaps which are pretty cool. It seems like they don't hit you with limits too fast and aren't being jerks about paperwork... if you know anyone better than this one, let me know... just please don't say Bet365 or SBOBet... I'm kind of over them. Cheers.

Well, Ladbrooks will probably limit you eventually too if you win too much (especially if you bet with them when they have the best odds in the market), I know people who get cut off fast, but I've had that experience myself like I mentioned earlier.

Why are you over SBOBet? I rarely use them, but they seem okay to me?
I would kill for a new Bet365 account, I miss it so much (I think I still have mine, but it's been heavily limited)

If I had to pick just one account, it would be Bet365 (I guess my unlimited Pinny and Bet365 accounts are pretty decent) even though the odds are honestly pretty lousy. Some of those offshore bookmakers (BetVic, Paddy Power, Stan James—they actually kicked me out after just three bets) look great at first glance, but once they limit you to 5 EUR before you even place your first real bet, you realize you've made a mistake (being from the US doesn't help much there either). For instance, the bookie that took the longest to limit me, even though I placed my biggest bets with them, was Believe it or not, Bet-at-home, but their odds are weak and their settlement is slow. If you have questions about a specific bookmaker, just ask.

I honestly don't get this whole limit-hitting thing—I mean, if you aren't exploiting them through arbitrage and you just happen to be a damn good bettor, that should be enough, right? That’s why Pinny is my number one choice, even if their selection isn't exactly massive. And those odds? They feel more like marketing; it's not like they aren't taking a margin, but you really have to be quick because everyone is chasing the same good lines. Still, I like them—they don't go slapping limits on you. SBOBet is similar, though not quite on par with Bet365. 🙂..just kidding. I used to enjoy live betting at 365; they aren't actually bad, it's just that I've been playing with them for far too long. You can tell from certain little details that they aren't really built for people who don't just place bets out of pure boredom—most of the time, they set odds as if they were catering strictly to casual players or the general masses. For instance, I'm looking at these tennis handicap lines over at Ladbrokes right now, and I simply cannot believe they're offering Ana Ivanovic +8.5 at 1.44. That is basically a gift. I've never personally placed a bet at Bet at home, but I heard years ago they were unreliable—who knows, maybe they've turned things around. I've spent a long time searching for a bookmaker that won't limit me and offers extra handicaps, especially regarding tennis and basketball spreads, or perhaps provides custom odds for specific events via a bet by request feature. Pinny offers bits and pieces of that, though not for everything; I'm not sure about Ladbrokes. But generally speaking, as far as I'm concerned, the UK-based bookmakers are all pretty much the same globally—aside from maybe some minor differences, not counting Betfair. Out of the American options, the only one I'm unfamiliar with is Dimes, though Americans seem to swear by it.

Lawrence Alvarez3 said:I honestly don't get the whole limit thing. If you aren't doing stuff like arbitrage and you just know how to bet really, really well, that should be enough. That's why Pinny is my number one, even if their selection is a bit slim. And those odds? They feel almost like an advertisement. It's not like they have zero margin, but you definitely have to be fast since everyone wants those good lines. Still, they're cool with me. They don't hit you with limits. SBO is basically the same as Bet365, except it isn't green...🙂just kidding. I used to love live betting on 365. They aren't bad, I think I've just been with them too long. You can tell from the little things that they aren't really for people who don't just bet out of boredom; most of the time, they set odds like they're catering to casual players or the masses. Right now, I'm looking at these tennis handicap lines on Ladbrokes, and I mean, I can't believe they're paying 1.44 for Ana Ivanovic +8.5. That’s practically a gift. I've never tried Bet at home, but I heard a while back they were unreliable—maybe they've improved though. I've been searching for a long time for a bookie that won't limit me and offers extra handicaps, especially for tennis and basketball, or maybe lets you request specific odds. Pinny does some of that, but not everything. I'm not sure about Ladbrokes. But generally, at least as far as I can tell, UK bookies are all pretty much the same, aside from maybe Betfair. Out of the American ones, I'm not sure about Dimes. Americans swear by it.

Well, okay. I can understand getting limited because I'm winning, but being capped at $5 before I even place my first bet just because I'm coming from America feels like straight-up discrimination. Like, is my Dollar worth less than someone else's in Dublin?

5Dimes? Good question. I've been thinking about opening an account there for years, but it drives me crazy that you can't even see the odds or the site layout unless you register. And God forbid your betting strategy gets on the wrong side of Tony; you wouldn't want to be in that position.

Can someone please walk me through how I can transfer my winnings from Bet365 to my bank account here in the US? To make matters worse, the site is stuck in German and I can't figure out how to switch the language back. Could anyone lend me a hand? I'd really appreciate it!

How can you not change the language? Just go to Services > Members, hit My Account, then Preferences, and there's Language. Change it, click Update, and you're done.
As for the fees, I think there’s a breakdown somewhere else on this thread. How have you been funding things—card, MB, PP, or what?

Joshua Garcia8 said:Man, how can you not figure out the language settings? It’s actually super simple. Just head over to Services > Members, then click on My Account, hit Preferences, and you'll see Language right there. Once you pick what you want, just hit Update and you're all set!
As for the payouts, I'm pretty sure there's already a breakdown of that somewhere else in this thread. How were you depositing your cash originally? Was it via card, MB, PP, or something else?

I think the old man was just using his card to deposit.

Samuel Phillips3 said:I think my old man used a credit card to deposit.

Better double-check. Everything depends on that for the payout, then we can move forward. Did they ask for docs? Did anyone call you?

Look, man, if I'm being totally honest with you, I don't really see what the big deal is here. It’s just that my old man won 50 Euro, and now he’s being stubborn about letting me have it. I'm just trying to move it over from his account since he never even checks the thing anyway—I'm just doing it without him knowing, plain and simple. 😁

Look, my friend, it’s just not going to work that way... before they release any funds, they have to be certain you're actually you. Since you're clearly trying to pass yourself off as someone else, they're sending over scanned documents. Did you even put the right info in during registration? Like, does your address match what's on the ID, or your birthday? It's gotta line up perfectly.

1. Passport verification (you just enter your passport number on the site)
2. Proof of address (Bet365 actually sends an old-school letter to your home address containing a code—you then just type that code into the website)

Without those two, you don't stand a chance of getting your money out—and honestly, they might even ask for a photo of a document later on—but these first two are absolute must-haves...

Someone was asking about 5Dimes... the interface looks a little weird, so you'll probably need some time to get used to it. They have massive limits on US sports, which is great, and pretty decent on other stuff too. You can't combine everything into parlay bets, but you definitely have more flexibility than you would with, say, Pinnacle...

restlessgardener85 said:1. Passport verification (you just enter your passport number on the website)
2. Address verification (Bet365 sends an old-school letter to your home address containing a specific code, which you then input on the site)

Without doing those two things, there really isn't any chance you'll be able to withdraw your funds; they might even ask for a photo of some kind of ID later on, but these two steps are absolutely essential...

Someone was asking about Dimes... it looks a bit strange at first, so I guess you might need some time to get used to the interface, but the limits on US sports are massive, which is fine, and they're decent for other stuff too. You can't combine everything into multi bet options, but you certainly have more flexibility than you would with Pinny, for example...

It is actually possible to do it without a passport, though you would have to email them a photo of your state ID; since I didn't happen to have a valid passport handy when I registered, we managed to work something out via email regarding my ID... and, of course, you still need the address verification...