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Schumi... man, come on... wake up, you old fossil!! Lewis, seriously, props to you... Alonso deserves a slap after what he did to Massa, but honestly, killer job out there on the track regardless... heheh and Button? Total joke with that strategy!!! hehehe! Kubica, nice work!

stormybadger8 said:There is absolutely no way they’ll penalize Lewis, so why is everyone acting so anxious?🤣

At most, they might hit McLaren or Red Bull with a fine for releasing a driver unsafely from the pit lane.☕

The drivers themselves aren't liable here. If the stewards don't hand out penalties for the Massa-Alonso pit lane mess, then handing one out for the Vettel-Hamilton collision would be pure incompetence.🙄

Honestly, even debating this feels trivial. The only thing that actually warrants scrutiny is Hamilton shoving Webber off the track or overtaking under the SC right before it cleared—though even that is debatable. This pit lane situation is a completely different animal.☕

Alonso deserves a penalty 🙂 specifically by being forced to start behind Massa for every remaining race this season, with a mandatory requirement to let him through on track every single time. 😬

Bradley Nelson2 said:And what about forcing Webber off the track? Or the overtaking just before the SC pulls in?

Hamilton shouldn't be penalized for what's currently under investigation, which is exiting the pits alongside Vettel. I'm in complete agreement with TBFD; there really isn't much to discuss here.

The Webber incident is an entirely separate matter. Even if it were under investigation, I wouldn't dwell on it, but that specific incident isn't even being looked at right now.

Ultimately, I find post-race penalties to be fundamentally flawed. Perhaps if an incident occurs on the final lap and officials can't react in time, it makes sense. But for anything else, sanctions should be issued and carried out before the checkered flag. Penalizing people after the fact just creates unnecessary drama and controversy that serves no one.

placidsurfer9 said:I mean, Lewis just slightly burned through his tires trying to fight for second place. If Jenson Button hadn't tried to bluff and actually followed what everyone else was doing tactically... he might have been right on Lewis's tail.

That’s basically what I wrote yesterday after qualifying.🙂 🤣 🤣

cosmicridge5 said:I literally just posted that right after qualifying yesterday 🙂 🤣 🤣

Wait, if you managed to dig that up... where the hell is my actual text??? 😁

You’re basically throwing the rulebook out the window just to save some rubber... I guess it's obvious now that only the softies are gonna be winning in Formula 1 from here on out!!! Give me a break 🙂

Joshua Newman2 said:Lewis Hamilton shouldn't be penalized for something currently under investigation—specifically, that exit from the pits alongside Sebastian Vettel. I’m completely on the same page as TBFD here; honestly, there's really no need to even debate it.

The situation involving Mark Webber is a totally different story—even if they are looking into it, I wouldn't go that far—but that specific incident isn't actually under investigation right now.

Then again, I feel like penalizing drivers after the fact just feels senseless. Maybe—and I mean *maybe*—if an incident happens on the final or penultimate lap and officials can't react in time, it makes sense. But for anything else, penalties should be handed out and carried out before the race actually ends. Post-race penalties just create messy loose ends and unnecessary drama that doesn't help anyone.

Didn't Vettel basically launch Lewis Hamilton straight into Mark Webber? Looking at the slow-mo replay, I'm starting to think he did.

cosmicridge5 said:And he’s gonna end up trailing behind Dragan Čović by the end of the season, just you wait and see. 🙂

🙂

Nah, Dragan Čović is definitely taking the lead!! Let's goooo, anyone wanna bet? 😁

placidsurfer9 said:well, since you went ahead and pulled it... where on earth is my text? 😁

Oh, you scrubbed your little embarrassment pretty quickly... 🙂 though maybe not fast enough 🙂 🤣

http://www.manipef1.com/news/articles/10840/

Just a few warnings...

placidsurfer9 said:Nah, I bet Dragan Čović is going to come out on top!! Anyone want to place a bet? 😁

Let's go 😎

Just so we're clear—I don't think I've ever actually lost a bet in my life. 🙏 😁

So, if you're rooting for Dragan Čović, maybe just stay away from betting with me. 😉 😁

Joseph Flores15 said:http://www.manipef1.com/news/articles/10840/

Just a few warnings, I suppose...

Man, typical... Harriet Tubman always manages to walk away unscathed 😢 😁

cosmicridge5 said:Oh, you wiped away that embarrassment pretty fast 🙂 but maybe not fast enough 🙂 🤣

hehehe look how quick you are... you could probably make it in Formula 1 😁

redheron12 said:Didn't Vettel just shove Hamilton right into Webber's path? I'm watching the replay and honestly, I can't tell if he did or not.

Can someone drop a link?

cosmicridge5 said:Come 😎

Just so you know—I have literally never lost a bet in my entire life. 🙏 😁

So yeah, if you actually care about Hemić, stop gambling against me. 😉 😁

Since I've also never lost a single bet... I'm sticking to my guns. My gut feeling is backed up by the fact that Hemić is just a better driver... and Button isn't going to get lucky on every single gamble!!! If he did, casinos would go out of business overnight!!! 😁

placidsurfer9 said:hehehe, she’s pretty fast... she could probably make it in Formula 1!!! 😁

I suppose I have to agree 😁

placidsurfer9 said:Since I've never actually lost a bet... I'm sticking to my guns... alongside my intuition, there's the fact that Hemić is just a better driver... and Button isn't going to get lucky at the casino every single time!!! If he did, casinos would go out of business overnight!!! 😁

But honestly, you can't really argue with a woman's intuition or her way of being right 😉 😁

Button is just more intelligent... so... maybe luck plays its part, but as we're seeing, skill tends to win out 🤷 😁

Hemić is likely going to be eating Gumbek's dust for quite a while yet 🙏

placidsurfer9 said:Man, you’re totally rewriting the rules on how to save tires... I guess from now on, only the softies are gonna be winning in Formula 1!!! Give me a break. 🙂

If that's the case, then why isn't Massa sitting higher up in the standings? 😁

rustystag7 said:If that were the case, I guess Massa wouldn't be struggling in such a poor position, right? 😁

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

cosmicridge5 said:🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Look, it’s pretty obvious—if you don't respect the skill of a driver who's basically just waiting for his luck to run out and hit the fan later...

I'm not really a fan of Alonso. I mean, the guy's got talent, seriously, he's a beast, but I just can't stand those dirty moves he pulls. 🙏

Honestly, if Ferrari decides to dump Massa, I'm done with them. They never really had a solid second driver anyway, and if this Alonso guy is already their top tier... 🙄

cosmicridge5 said:You just can't win against a woman's intuition or her way of talking, I guess. 😉 😁

Button is just smarter... so... maybe raw power matters, but looking at how things go, skill 🤷 😁

Hemić is going to be eating Gumbek's dust for a long time. 🙏

IF Button beats Hemić again this time, the only thing Hemić needs to worry about is not trying to overtake him within two laps. He should wait at least five laps so he doesn't burn through his tires too fast, simple as that!!! 😁 Once Button retires from Formula 1, he’ll probably end up working as a weather forecaster... he'd actually be pretty good at it!! 😁

rustystag7 said:so why isn't Massa sitting in a better spot then? 😁

The guy's brain is still totally scrambled!! 😁