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Karen Garcia5 Karen Garcia5 Member
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joined Jan 2012
#881 ·
Christian Collins73 said:It feels like a bunch of idiots have gathered here. I’d tell the mod to just rename this thread to "Daily Nonsense from Pseudo-Experts."

What's the issue? I gave the guy an answer to his question. Whether we call ourselves experts or not, you still have to deal with a massive amount of nonsense.

Grace Morris6 said:Everyone here thinks they’re some kind of expert, acting like they have all the answers when someone actually runs into trouble. If I could fix this myself, I wouldn't be bothering you people. I guess this forum isn't really meant for solving anything anyway. But hey, thanks for nothing.

I already answered you. You want me to click through everything for you too, I guess?

Taylor Campbell4 said:Can you upgrade between builds? Like, say I install 7100, then decide I want to move up to RC, then from RC to RC 2, and so on? Or am I stuck doing a clean installation every single time?

Got my new PC today. I need to find some time to actually put it together, then I'm thinking about installing Windows 7. I've been planning this since I read that article on YouTube about two months ago. They said it was solid—that the beta version was basically as stable as the final release. Apparently, everything works fine, aside from maybe two or three major bugs involving media files and some software, Winamp I think? Doesn't really matter much to me. It should work.

I use this computer for work, and frankly, I don't have the patience to perform a clean install every few months. Usually, a single Windows installation lasts me several years without any issues. That’s why I’m specifically looking for an answer to the question above. If I install an RC version now, will I be able to just upgrade to the final release once it actually drops?

Thanks for the reply.

PS: I know, maybe someone will want to suggest that I shouldn't be installing an OS beta if I'm using my computer for work, but my current guess is that I'll go ahead and install it anyway. I think it'll be stable enough.
P.S. Which version should I bother downloading now that I've got a 64-bit processor? If anyone has a link, maybe toss it my way.

The RC version is only good until July 1, 2010. Starting March 1, 2010, your PC will probably just shut itself down every two hours. Upgrading between builds should be fine, I guess, but I'm not so sure about jumping straight to the final release. If you've got more than 4GB of RAM, maybe go with x64; otherwise, x86 is probably your best bet.

Yeah, you nailed it. 😁 I'd suggest you don't make that your primary OS. 😁
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
369 messages
joined Jul 2009
#882 ·
Thomas Hernandez21 said:If you've got more than 4GB of RAM, go with x64—otherwise, stick to x86...

Could you walk me through this a bit? (I'm sitting on just 2 GB of RAM right now, though I'm planning to pick up another 2 sticks "any day now")
How does this whole 64-bit thing actually work? Since I have a 64-bit processor, my motherboard should handle 64-bit, right? (I'm a bit out of my depth here.) So, if I install x86, will everything just run at 32-bit?
Does that hit performance? What's the actual impact? Does it only slow things down when I'm running a specific 64-bit application? (I haven't stumbled upon a single 😁 yet.)

And why isn't anything less than 4GB enough?

And yeah, you nailed it. I'd suggest you don't use that as your primary OS.

What are the reasons?
Melissa Watson4 Melissa Watson4 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#883 ·
So, I've got the RC installed. Spent maybe two hours poking around, and I guess I'm pretty happy with it so far...

My D-Link wireless USB card is actually working now. Didn't even need to touch the drivers. On Vista and those earlier Windows 7 builds, it was a nightmare—even with drivers, the connection just kept dropping constantly...

With Norton running in the background, Firefox open, and uTorrent active, I'm sitting at 685MB...

The Task Manager shows 41 processes...☕

Speed seems fine. Everything feels smooth, I suppose. No stuttering or anything...☕

Got a 3.5 on the Windows Experience Index...

Processor: 4.6

Memory: 4.5

Graphics: 3.9

Gaming Graphics: 3.5

Primary hard disk: 5.5

The PC is three years old and hasn't been upgraded. All in all, I'm satisfied for now...🙂 ☕
Melissa Watson4 Melissa Watson4 Member
24 messages
joined Dec 2008
#884 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Could you clarify this a bit? (I've only got 2 GB of RAM right now, but I was planning on picking up another 2 pretty soon)
How does this whole 64-bit thing actually work? I have a 64-bit processor, so I assume the motherboard will handle 64-bit, too (I'm no expert), but if I install x86, will everything just run at 32-bit??
Does it affect speed? What does it actually change? Does it only matter when running a 64-bit application? (I haven't come across any of those 😁)

And why isn't less than 4GB enough?

Any reasons?

x86 (32-bit) systems can only utilize about 3.5 GB of RAM max... and that includes your video card memory... So if you're running an x86 system with more than 3.5 GB—say, 6 GB—the OS will only see and use 3.5 GB... If you have 4 GB or more, you really should go with an x64 system so it recognizes all your memory and can actually use it... x64 systems used to be a headache compared to x86 because of driver support issues and other things... but if you're adding another 2GB to reach 4 GB plus your video memory, and you don't want to reinstall Windows, maybe just go ahead and install the x64 version now so you're set...☕

Anyway, sorry for going off-topic, but I have to ask because it's just bothering me...

Surely you don't believe that fraud, Maitreya.🤣
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
369 messages
joined Jul 2009
#885 ·
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm currently running 2 GB of RAM and a 256 GB drive with shared graphics—I don't really game or anything, so I don't need a beefier GPU right now; if the need arises, I'll buy one, though I doubt it'll happen. I'm thinking about picking up another 2 GB once I run low on memory—honestly, I think I messed up by not just grabbing 4 GB from the start.
Well, that's some new info, and now I'm stuck deciding between x86 and x64. If I install 4 GB and 750 MB of that RAM stays inactive, what then? I'd really rather not deal with driver issues, but since I don't know much more about it, I'm not sure how likely that actually is. (I'm assuming upgrading from x86 to x64 isn't an option? Man, modern computers feel so outdated sometimes 😁 )

Offtopic: I trust anyone who seems to be telling the truth, provided my own experiences back up what they're saying.
Karen Garcia5 Karen Garcia5 Member
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joined Jan 2012
#886 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Can you clarify this? (I've only got 2 GB of RAM right now, but I was thinking about picking up another 2
soon.) How does this whole 64-bit thing actually work? I have a 64-bit processor, so I assume the motherboard handles 64-bit fine (not really an expert here), but if I install x86, does everything just run at 32-bit?
(Does it affect speed? What exactly does it change? Does it only matter when running a 64-bit app? I haven't stumbled upon any 😁 yet.)

And why isn't less than 4GB enough?

Reasons?

I think nobie explained it well enough. Don't sweat the motherboard and processor situation; if the CPU is 64-bit, you're fine. If you install an x86 OS, then yeah, everything runs in 32-bit mode. A 64-bit OS would be faster for certain heavy-duty apps, maybe things like CAD/CAM software or similar stuff.

But if you want the quick breakdown, it goes like this:

32-bit processors: theoretically can address up to 2^32 memory units (4,294,967,296 = 4 GB)

64-bit processors: theoretically can address up to 2^64 memory units (18,446,744,073,709,551,616 = 17,179,869,184 GB = a massive amount of gigabytes)

There are ways to squeeze up to 64GB of RAM onto a 32-bit processor, but... well, there's a catch.

As for why I wouldn't recommend it, it's because in a 64-bit OS, all those 32-bit apps run through an emulator, and some of them just don't play nice. Driver support can be hit or miss, too. It probably just depends on what you're doing.

EDIT: You caught me, that 750MB would go to waste. 😉
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
369 messages
joined Jul 2009
#887 ·
for instance, CAD/CAM software and similar stuff

I used to dabble in Corel back in the day
It really just depends on what you do for a living...

Well, I mostly just stick to Microsoft Word, usually with a few other light apps running in the background. I rarely touch anything particularly demanding. In that case, would it be better to just install the x86 version? Also, I'm considering picking up an extra 1 GB stick of RAM, though I'm on the fence about whether it's worth it—partly because of the price, and partly because I'm worried I won't get that dual-channel benefit, right?
Karen Garcia5 Karen Garcia5 Member
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joined Jan 2012
#888 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:I used to use Adobe from time to time

But mostly I just stick to Microsoft Word, maybe with a few other basic apps running in the background. I rarely touch anything heavy. Maybe I should just install the x86 version instead? And if I do, I could grab an extra 1 GB of RAM, though I'm not sure it's worth it—partly because of the price, and partly because I doubt it'll even enable dual channel mode.

I don't think there's a 64-bit version of Adobe, so it probably doesn't matter.

If you're worried about dual channel... even if you pick up 2GB, there's a slim chance it'll work since the chips have to be identical. I doubt Best Buy would even have the exact same series in stock.

Still, go ahead and get that 2GB. If the system recognizes 3.5GB total (with that 256MB card), you're basically set. 👍 You might lose 500MB in the process, but who cares? Eventually, things will catch up...

Sticking with x86 for now. We'll see what happens.👍
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
369 messages
joined Jul 2009
#889 ·
Does anyone happen to have a reliable direct download link for RC7100 x86? I'd prefer to avoid torrents unless they're actually high-speed.

I've been digging through RapidShare, but it's a mess—one part is there, the next one is missing, and so on.

Oh, wait, I just realized—you can actually grab it directly from the Microsoft pages here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win.../download.aspx
Drew Garcia Drew Garcia Newcomer
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joined Jun 2015
#890 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Does anyone have a decent direct download link for RC7100 x86? I'm trying to avoid torrents if possible, unless the seeders are actually moving fast for once.

I've been digging through RapidShare, but it's a total mess—files keep disappearing. Part 01 is there, but part 02 is gone, and it's just one headache after another...

Oh, wait, I see it now. You can actually grab it right from the Microsoft pages here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win.../download.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/eval...71(en-us).aspx
wiredtrucker89 wiredtrucker89 Member
12 messages
joined May 2009
#891 ·
I was wondering if anyone here has messed around with overclocking while running Windows 7 and what kind of numbers you actually see popping up in CPU-Z?

On my end, it isn't showing the actual speed in Intel. I can't tell if this is just some weird bug with CPU-Z or if I'm missing some setting somewhere that needs tweaking.
Here’s a shot of the screen!! If you look at the Intel, that part seems right, but the multiplier is totally off since I've got it set to x11 in the BIOS.


http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/207...0507131840.jpg

The clock is sitting at 2.21GHz instead of 2.64GHz.
nimblemaker52 nimblemaker52 Member
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joined Mar 2008
#892 ·
That processor has a locked multiplier, so the only way you can overclock it is by bumping up the FSB 😉
Robert Bishop7 Robert Bishop7 Member
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joined May 2005
#893 ·
I’ve been running the beta version for about two months now and it’s honestly been great. I can finally run some games that wouldn't even launch on my old setup before. Now, I'm trying to install the RC version over the existing beta, but it just won't work. Could anyone who actually knows what they're doing please let me know the proper way to do this? I'd really appreciate it. Do I need to have Windows XP or Vista installed first before jumping to the RC, or is there some other way?👍🙏🙏🤷🤷
wiredtrucker89 wiredtrucker89 Member
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joined May 2009
#894 ·
Oh, I totally get what you mean! But here’s the thing—it’s locked at x11 on this side, even though it's reporting an x5 multiplier right here! It's driving me nuts. I’ve got a dual boot setup with Windows XP, and whenever I fire up XP, it actually shows me the real deal. We're talking a true 2640MHz!!
wiredtrucker89 wiredtrucker89 Member
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joined May 2009
#895 ·
Robert Bishop7 said:I spent about two months messing around with the beta version and honestly, it’s been great... I can actually run some games now that wouldn't even budge before... but now I'm trying to swap out this beta for the RC release and everything is just hitting a wall... if anyone actually knows the right way to pull this off, could you let me know how? Much appreciated... do I need to wipe things and start from Windows XP or Vista first and then go straight to the RC, or what's the deal? 👍🙏🙏🤷🤷

Just format the drive and do a clean Install!! Just make sure you move all your files over to an external drive or a thumb drive first!! 😉
Melissa Watson4 Melissa Watson4 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#896 ·
Robert Bishop7 said:I've been running the beta for about two months and it's great... some games I couldn't even launch before run perfectly now. Now I want to install the RC version over the beta, but it won't work... if anyone knows how to handle this installation, please let me know... thanks in advance... do I need to have Windows XP or Vista installed first and then run the RC installer, or what? 👍🙏🙏🤷🤷

It’s probably best just to do a clean install of Windows 7 RC...☕
Melissa Watson4 Melissa Watson4 Member
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joined Dec 2008
#897 ·
wiredtrucker89 said:I'm aware of that. But it's locked at x11! Meanwhile, this thing shows it on x5. I've got a dual boot setup with Windows XP, and when I boot into that, it actually displays the real status. It's definitely 2640MHz!!

I guess... what's stopping you from just overclocking via the BIOS?☕
nimblemaker52 nimblemaker52 Member
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joined Mar 2008
#898 ·
wiredtrucker89 said:Look, I'm well aware of that! The problem is it's locked at x11! But here, it's reporting as if it were on x5! I'm running a dual boot with Windows XP, and when I boot into that, it shows the actual status! It clearly says 2640MHz!!

If you had just included that detail in your initial post, we wouldn't be wasting time.

I have no clue, just google it 😬 though it is highly probable that CPU-Z is misdetecting the frequency.
Robert Bishop7 Robert Bishop7 Member
10 messages
joined May 2005
#899 ·
wiredtrucker89 said:Just format the drive and perform a fresh install!! Make sure you move all your data over to an external drive or a thumb drive first!!😉

Hold on a second... could you clarify? When you say format the disk, do you mean a full format or what? And does the drive actually have a fresh install on it already? I tried booting from it, but it just hangs there indefinitely without doing anything. There are plenty of experts here, and I'm honestly just grateful for any help or advice anyone can offer me....
Melissa Watson4 Melissa Watson4 Member
24 messages
joined Dec 2008
#900 ·
Robert Bishop7 said:hold on a second... can you explain? am I formatting the drive via a standard format C command or what... and does this involve a fresh install? I tried booting from it, but it just hangs there forever. We've got all kinds of people here, some clueless and some experts; I guess I'm just grateful for any help at all....

If you boot the computer using the Windows 10 DVD, the options let you wipe the whole drive if there aren't any partitions—or just hit C if there are. Then you move to installation. As for that "fresh install" bit, he probably just meant doing a straight installation of the RC version instead of upgrading from a beta... maybe.☕>

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