Abortion discussion

shadowfalcon33 said:Kid.

That’s a radical take, and honestly, quite an outlier. I suspect most people would instinctively side with the "born" over the "unborn." Especially when you consider the woman’s own family—it’s hard for me to picture a scenario where a husband would choose the potential life of a child over the actual life of his wife.

shadowfalcon33 said:Kid.

Look at him. Give me a shout when you're actually ready to have kids. 🙂>

jadetinker85 said:I just read this story about a woman who refused an abortion even though there was a serious medical reason. Apparently, the pregnancy was ectopic—it wasn't in the uterus—and in the end, both she and the baby died. Honestly, I think those kinds of radical stances are just senseless.

But that’s not a fetal malformation. That’s a situation where the pregnancy itself is life-threatening to the mother. Those are exactly the types of cases where I believe an abortion is justified.

urbansailor68 said:...and when did I ever mention leaving a baby in a trash can? 🤔

Well, I suppose my point is that if a child is unwanted, the alternative to an abortion is giving birth and then essentially abandoning them somewhere else. 🤔

Or do you pro-life advocates truly believe that women who don't want a child suddenly have a change of heart after delivery—that they just decide to keep it and live happily ever after? 🙄 I mean, I'm not saying those cases don't exist, obviously, but since most abortions aren't exactly a casual decision, if someone chooses that path, it’s pretty clear they don't want to be raising that child..

And forcing a woman who has been raped to carry her attacker's child is particularly--well, it's just egregious. 🙂

Look, let’s be realistic; it doesn't necessarily mean urbansailor68 would go around forcing anyone to have a child—it might just be her personal philosophy, which isn't quite the same thing as being pro-ban on Vacuum-abortus.

Personally, I view abortion as something wrong, though I tend to shy away from labeling it murder simply because that term creates these impossible moral deadlocks, yet I remain firmly opposed to it. That said, I am equally opposed to any legal ban, as the alternative is undeniably worse; in my view, there is no force in this country capable of compelling a woman to give birth if she has decided against it.

But then again, I might have overstepped myself here 😬

Generally speaking, whenever someone says they’re "against" something, my immediate assumption is that they're actually advocating for a total ban 😳

Take the case regarding children who are victims of sexual assault—for instance, there was that horrific situation involving an eight-year-old girl 😲 who ended up pregnant, which naturally sparked those endless debates over whether she should be forced to carry the pregnancy to term 😱 or not. Of course, the Catholic Church maintained its stance that the poor child simply had to give birth... I suppose 🙂
In my view, the most humane thing to do would be to not even mention it to her in that moment—just put her under anesthesia and perform a Vacuum-abortus. I mean, I really don't see how you tell an eight-year-old she's pregnant and then force her to go through childbirth 🙂

What exactly would the pro-life crowd do in a scenario like that?

Back in the US, maybe a decade or so ago—possibly even longer—there was this heartbreaking case involving a 13-year-old girl. She was sexually abused by a family friend and ended up pregnant. At the time, she wasn't allowed to get an abortion here; I think they even took the fight all the way to the Supreme Court, and still, nothing. They wouldn't budge. In the end, she had to travel to the UK just to access the care she needed.

It’s honestly tough to talk about all the different scenarios because, unless you’ve actually found yourself in that position, it’s hard to wrap your head around just how heavy everything feels at once.
Personally, I feel like an abortion should be the absolute last resort... I mean, if you truly can't see any other way out.
Take a situation where a child is born with, say, Down syndrome... there are people who would have chosen an abortion if they had known that beforehand, but then there are those who wouldn't have—and they don't regret their choice. And the truth is, plenty of women change their minds too, thinking they'll put the baby up for adoption before the birth, but once everything is over, they simply just don't want to go through with it anymore.
And look, if the alternative to an abortion is leaving a baby in the trash, then I’d much rather see an abortion.
As for whether life should go to the mother or the baby... I think 99% of moms would tell you they'd rather give birth to a living child and then pass away themselves than have it the other way around.

I find myself wondering about a rather heavy question: what becomes of a newborn when their mother passes away right after birth, leaving them without a mother? 🤔

Elizabeth Foster20 said:I mean, I guess if a kid isn't wanted, the alternative to an abortion is just having it and leaving it somewhere. 🤔

Yeah, my take is that it’s better to have the baby and leave it than not have it at all (🙄 since that's the choice I'm stuck with here).

Elizabeth Foster20 said:And forcing a rape victim to carry a rapist's child is especially 🙂

I'm not trying to force anyone into anything. That's not how I live my life. If someone asked for my advice, I'd tell them what I wrote here, and then they can make their own choice... (and choose for their own kid!).

Betty Bennett10 said:Hold on, it doesn't necessarily mean urbansailor68 is forcing anyone to give birth. It might just be her opinion—doesn't mean she's automatically against banning Vacuum-abortus.

It's just my opinion. And I hope I actually follow it if I ever end up in one of those situations (...honestly, I hope I don't 🙄 ).

Elizabeth Foster20 said:When you look at kids born from rapists—like that awful case where an 8-year-old girl was victimized😲 and ended up pregnant, people start arguing about whether she should carry it to term or not. Naturally,😱 the Catholic Church’s stance was that the poor kid had to give birth... I think.🙂

8 years old? Look, if a child is actually developed enough to even reach pregnancy (🙄 which is honestly unthinkable to me), I'm worried their reproductive organs wouldn't be fully formed. If a pregnancy even managed to progress, there would likely be massive complications similar to those cases where the pregnancy itself puts the mother's life at risk...

Yeah, the Catholic Church insists on carrying the baby, but they also hold that if the pregnancy threatens the mother's life, she's allowed to terminate it...

When you're looking at 16 or 17-year-olds facing an unplanned pregnancy, can we honestly say they’re ready for parenthood? Raising a human being is arguably the toughest job on the planet...
If you're hardline against Vacuum-abortus, how do you defend that position when faced with the perfectly reasonable argument that a child, raised in terrible conditions, might end up as a mass murderer, a mental patient, or an addict?
People have a right to shape their own destinies. But if you assume that failing to guide a human being onto the right path can lead to catastrophic, tragic outcomes—shouldn't we side with those kids when they choose an abortion?

Dogmatically defending or screaming against Vacuum-abortus is just foolish. You have to look at this relatively: the circumstances are what actually matter. Not politics, and not religion.

I'm pro-choice. But not at any cost.

I can say I am FOR abortion, though naturally, not in every single scenario. If we are talking about fetal abnormalities or if the mother's life is genuinely at stake—then yes, it's a "yes" for me. I’d even include underage mothers in that category; most of them simply lack the maturity required to raise a child. However, I am strictly AGAINST women who are, say, over thirty, have their finances and housing fully sorted, are in stable relationships, get pregnant, and then claim: "Oh, it just happened, I'm not ready yet! I still want to enjoy my life!" No. Every choice is theirs to make—even if I personally would never opt for an abortion myself.

You guys are such an interesting read, especially some of the men in this group.
I’m currently on the pill, but let’s be real—no method of birth control is ever 100% foolproof. If I ever found myself in that position, I think I’d choose an abortion.

It breaks my heart to say it, but I don’t think I’d have any other choice. It would likely be the most agonizing decision of my entire life, and honestly, I probably wouldn't be able to forgive myself for it.

And by the way—there are just some situations where it’s better for a mother to have an abortion than to bring a child into a world where they'll grow up abandoned, unwanted, or torn apart.

Vacuum-abortus? Absolutely, YES.

I don't even get why people are debating this. Abortion is a personal choice, and there isn't some higher power out there that has any right to step in and stop someone from making that call.

Now, using abortion as a form of contraception—well, that’s a whole different conversation... We seriously need way, way more education on that front. That's really all it comes down to.

I haven't been through it myself, but I know girls who have. Every single one of them handled the experience in her own way, but they all feel like their decisions were valid, regardless of anything else. And honestly, I stand by them. 👍

Would I do it? That’s a tough one to answer, mostly because I worry that having a miscarriage or an abortion would mess with my chances of ever having kids later on. So... I guess I just don't know. 😢

So, I’m looking for some specific information here—and please, I’d really appreciate it if we could skip the unsolicited moralizing or lectures, as my mind is already made up.
I’m three weeks pregnant, currently living in Washington, D.C., and I’ve decided to have an abortion. Since I’ve never gone through this myself and don't personally know anyone who has, I was hoping someone could point me toward clinics or hospitals where this can be done, along with a general idea of what the costs look like.
Also, does it hurt much when you're this early on? And how quickly can I expect to recover? I have exams coming up that I really need to stay focused on studying for. Thanks so much!

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I know they're working on those over at the Holy Spirit cathedral in Washington, D.C.

I don't have all the specifics, though. Good luck!

Does anyone know where I can go for an abortion in Washington, D.C.?
(DM me)

At the hospital, you idiot!