São Paulo Grand Prix (Indianapolis Motor Speedway) | November 12-14, 2021

It’s funny how these fashionista fanboys conveniently forget everything their golden boy used to say and do back in his rookie days.

The modern, politically correct "experts" and style icons have clearly scrubbed his memory clean.

What Max did today is exactly what everyone else does when they want to break a rule. Charles Leclerc was the absolute master of this, and Max’s response was pure sarcasm because he knew exactly what he was doing.

I guess you just have to be a spineless little robot these days.

If Kimi had given an answer like that, people would be rolling on the floor laughing and calling him a total legend.

Hypocrites, the lot of them.

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Look, I don't get why everyone is suddenly acting like Max bumping into Lewis Hamilton's car is such a massive scandal. It’s funny how people react. If we're talking about being nosy, Sebastian Vettel is probably the most famous guy on the grid for poking around other people's cars—especially Lewis Hamilton's. I mean, I'm pretty sure he spent days practically feeling out the entire bodywork of that Ferrari.

Because the parts Vettel touched didn't end up being used as forensic evidence afterward.
Is that really so hard to grasp?

This time, after Verstappen's contact with Hamilton's rear wing, an inspection by the FIA delegate was conducted to check technical compliance.
In this instance, the issue is the contamination of the evidence by Max. That's strictly against the rules, and we can expect some kind of penalty—likely a fine or a formal warning.

Regarding Max contaminating the evidence, Mercedes will likely push to have the rear wing inspection results thrown out.
Does that make sense now?

Checking out the Sprint from Lewis Hamilton's onboard, and man, I spotted something pretty wild right at the start...

Lewis is basically playing snail during the formation lap—this shot is actually kind of hilarious...


He pulls into his spot on the grid, and boom, the start kicks off within three seconds...
Honestly, it’s no wonder four cars got wiped out before the first turn, and he nearly rear-ended Lance Stroll during braking...
Is this even legal? 🤔 He practically barely stopped on his grid slot before he was already rolling...
Everyone else was busy warming up their tires, especially the guys at the front, while he just barely tapped the brakes long enough to look like he was actually stationary instead of already moving...😁

Drew Bennett68 said:It’s something like this:

graniteharbor502 said:Hamilton is such a clean driver, isn't he?🙂

Man, seeing people take shots like this out of nowhere—just straight-up dragging the GOAT for no reason—is getting old. 🤦🤦

Let’s not forget—this was a race back in 2010. Back then, weaving on the track to break a tow was basically a gray area—which is just a polite way of saying it was brilliant tactics and finding a loophole in the rulebook. Of course, the regulations have shifted since then. Nowadays, any sudden change in direction for any reason is an immediate red flag, so trying to equate that old move with what Max did is just plain nonsense.
Let's take another crack at this.

The stewards just handed down a decision that’s incredibly brief, but honestly, maybe even the best outcome for those of us watching.
Send them both to the back of the grid.

If my memory serves me right—and it usually does—he was the first one up on the grid and now he’s looking at being the very last.
Just classic GOAT tactics, honestly—top tier stuff. ☕

And let’s be real, no one else in Formula 1 history has had to deal with the fallout of these kinds of tactics as often as Lewis, so you can all stop the crying already...

shadowmarlin22 said:Man, seeing people take shots like this out of nowhere—just straight-up dragging the GOAT for no reason—is getting old. 🤦🤦

Let’s not forget—this was a race back in 2010. Back then, weaving on the track to break a tow was basically a gray area—which is just a polite way of saying it was brilliant tactics and finding a loophole in the rulebook. Of course, the regulations have shifted since then. Nowadays, any sudden change in direction for any reason is an immediate red flag, so trying to equate that old move with what Max did is just plain nonsense.
Let's take another crack at this.

Would you be so kind as to provide me with a direct link to that specific regulation regarding weaving and the exact date it was amended?
☕

And furthermore, how does one account for Hamilton forcing Max Verstappen off the track at Silverstone? Is that viewed as a display of clean racing, or should we categorize it as outright cheating?☕

James Harris34 said:In the worst case, a DNF costs 25 points, right? In Turkey, Hamilton would have definitely won instead of finishing 5th—that’s already a 15-point difference. Or in Brazil, he probably would've won there too, but with this penalty, he'll be lucky to even make the podium.
So, go ahead, grab your "genius" calculator, crunch the numbers on how many points Max gained versus how many he would have if Hamilton had just taken a DNF, and let me know.

What kind of person are you? 👍
Honestly, it’s probably better to just take the DNF and eat those 25 points. Then they can just swap out the engine for the next race and blow the grid penalty anyway. 🙂
So, in that little math equation of yours, do they just hand out free engines after every DNF? 😁

And let's not even get started on how much power these engines lose as they age. It’s glaringly obvious with the German team—way more noticeable than with anyone else on the grid.
Look, it’s honestly ridiculous. When brave Lujo is out there struggling with an ancient engine, and then you have Max in that dominant RB—it’s wild that he manages to edge out Hamilton by a measly 0.1 seconds in qualifying on those long stretches where it basically means nothing.
Look, if brave Lujo actually gets a new engine and manages to pull a 0.5-second gap on Max—especially on a track where everyone is fighting within a tight 0.75-second window—then we’re talking. That’s when it’s officially Hamertime. 🙏

What sports do you actually follow?
It’s not like they’re running a motorcycle gearbox here. You don't just get handed a penalty because you caught a DNF due to a mechanical failure. 🙄
That Račnica move was a pretty massive fail on your part...

There’s zero chance Luxury was on the grid within 30 seconds of the leader, no 🤣
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It took him a solid 10 seconds just to get to his spot after even Nikita Mazepin had already parked.
Looking at the main feed, he took about 20 seconds from the moment everyone else up to Stroll were lined up...

I'm looking right at it now—assuming the feeds on F1 TV Pro are synced, which they should be...
Then we're barely talking about him making it to the grid within 60 seconds...
Max hits his mark at 09:19, while Lewis doesn't show up until 10:11...

Are you actually sure about that 30-second claim?
Honestly, I'm surprised Red Bull didn't lodge a protest and the FIA didn't hand out a penalty.
Because that was some seriously blatant stalling.
Looks like the start barely squeezed in under 60 seconds from when Max pulled up, but it was down to milliseconds whether they broke the limit or not...

graniteharbor502 said:Would you be so kind as to provide me with a direct link to that specific regulation regarding weaving and the exact date it was amended?
☕

And furthermore, how does one account for Hamilton forcing Max Verstappen off the track at Silverstone? Is that viewed as a display of clean racing, or should we categorize it as outright cheating?☕

I mean, wouldn't you think the style analysts would have jumped on that immediately? You’d think they’d instantly point the finger at Max and call it what it is. Shocking, right?

Honestly, Max is even more of a villain than Lewis, so I’m not even surprised at this point.

The guy just has that wicked look on his face.🤣

shadowmarlin22 said:Is there anyone out there seriously claiming Max is better than Lewis? 🤣

It’s like saying Kylian Mbappé is better than Lionel Messi, or Kawhi Leonard or Nikola Jokic is better than LeBron James. It just doesn't hold up.
There's still a massive amount of respect left to earn, which he probably won't do before his career wraps up...

Max is in great form right now, he's maturing, and he's got the superior car—though obviously, not every track is like this one where top speed is everything, but I doubt most of the trolls on this sub would even grasp that.

There exists this rather peculiar category known as the Drivers' Championship standings, isn't there? They are such strange, abstract figures that one might find them difficult to decipher at first glance, but if you look closely, they reveal the truth of the season—showing us that Max is currently sitting at the top of the order, while Lewis holds the second position.
It is truly remarkable, isn't it, how some of these fans can become so utterly consumed by their devotion that they lose all sense of perspective? One begins to wonder if that intense, singular focus on cheering—that almost feverish zeal—eventually clouds their judgment entirely, leaving them unable to see anything beyond the colors they choose to support. Is it not a strange phenomenon, this way that passion can seemingly blind a person to reason?

shadowmarlin22 said:Is there anyone out there seriously claiming Max is better than Lewis? 🤣

It’s like saying Kylian Mbappé is better than Lionel Messi, or Kawhi Leonard or Nikola Jokic is better than LeBron James. It just doesn't hold up.
There's still a massive amount of respect left to earn, which he probably won't do before his career wraps up...

Max is in great form right now, he's maturing, and he's got the superior car—though obviously, not every track is like this one where top speed is everything, but I doubt most of the trolls on this sub would even grasp that.

Just how exceptional is that car really, when you consider the results of his own teammate, who hasn't managed to secure a single win compared to what Bottas has achieved?

shadowmarlin22 said:Man, seeing people take shots like this out of nowhere—just straight-up dragging the GOAT for no reason—is getting old. 🤦🤦

Let’s not forget—this was a race back in 2010. Back then, weaving on the track to break a tow was basically a gray area—which is just a polite way of saying it was brilliant tactics and finding a loophole in the rulebook. Of course, the regulations have shifted since then. Nowadays, any sudden change in direction for any reason is an immediate red flag, so trying to equate that old move with what Max did is just plain nonsense.
Let's take another crack at this.

Swerving on the track!?

What sport are you even watching? The Tour de France!?

Jason Campbell70 said:Because the parts Vettel touched didn't end up being used as forensic evidence afterward.
Is that really so hard to grasp?

This time, after Verstappen's contact with Hamilton's rear wing, an inspection by the FIA delegate was conducted to check technical compliance.
In this instance, the issue is the contamination of the evidence by Max. That's strictly against the rules, and we can expect some kind of penalty—likely a fine or a formal warning.

Regarding Max contaminating the evidence, Mercedes will likely push to have the rear wing inspection results thrown out.
Does that make sense now?

So, did his finger actually contaminate the wing? Or does Max just have a built-in screwdriver implanted in him that he can deploy in a split second...

Of course, we aren't advanced enough to look at a TV broadcast and pinpoint exactly how much gap there was during the stint before they started messing around... oh, wait, scratch that, we actually can...

What exactly don't you get...

Jason Campbell70 said:The stewards just handed down a decision that’s incredibly brief, but honestly, maybe even the best outcome for those of us watching.
Send them both to the back of the grid.

So, your big master plan is to reward Lewis Hamilton—who’s basically just sitting there being held up by his engine anyway—while handing out a penalty to Max... unbelievable...

So, you're asking if I'm a Lewis Hamilton fan... honestly, who can say at this point? It’s complicated... turns out being a fan isn't always as simple as picking a side and sticking to it... everything feels a bit exhausted lately...

graniteharbor502 said:There exists this rather peculiar category known as the Drivers' Championship standings, isn't there? They are such strange, abstract figures that one might find them difficult to decipher at first glance, but if you look closely, they reveal the truth of the season—showing us that Max is currently sitting at the top of the order, while Lewis holds the second position.
It is truly remarkable, isn't it, how some of these fans can become so utterly consumed by their devotion that they lose all sense of perspective? One begins to wonder if that intense, singular focus on cheering—that almost feverish zeal—eventually clouds their judgment entirely, leaving them unable to see anything beyond the colors they choose to support. Is it not a strange phenomenon, this way that passion can seemingly blind a person to reason?

Just how exceptional is that car really, when you consider the results of his own teammate, who hasn't managed to secure a single win compared to what Bottas has achieved?

Bottas is clearly a class above Sergio Perez. 👍

How F1 plays with everyone else 😁

This season is a pure emulation of '06. People have been so bored over the last few years that they're treating this like the peak... And given the current state of the grid, the sport needs a repeat of '12 (that first half, anyway). Only if those who actually need it can figure it out 🙂
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Elizabeth Morales49 said:So, did his finger actually contaminate the wing? Or does Max just have a built-in screwdriver implanted in him that he can deploy in a split second...

Of course, we aren't advanced enough to look at a TV broadcast and pinpoint exactly how much gap there was during the stint before they started messing around... oh, wait, scratch that, we actually can...

What exactly don't you get...

So, your big master plan is to reward Lewis Hamilton—who’s basically just sitting there being held up by his engine anyway—while handing out a penalty to Max... unbelievable...

So, you're asking if I'm a Lewis Hamilton fan... honestly, who can say at this point? It’s complicated... turns out being a fan isn't always as simple as picking a side and sticking to it... everything feels a bit exhausted lately...

And you're clearly an anti-Hamilton guy. It’s honestly hilarious how much resentment he and Mercedes-Benz have stirred up over the last few years.

But looking at this objectively, both drivers messed up. They should have started in the last and second-to-last positions. That’s the fairest call you could make.

graniteharbor502 said:There exists this rather peculiar category known as the Drivers' Championship standings, isn't there? They are such strange, abstract figures that one might find them difficult to decipher at first glance, but if you look closely, they reveal the truth of the season—showing us that Max is currently sitting at the top of the order, while Lewis holds the second position.
It is truly remarkable, isn't it, how some of these fans can become so utterly consumed by their devotion that they lose all sense of perspective? One begins to wonder if that intense, singular focus on cheering—that almost feverish zeal—eventually clouds their judgment entirely, leaving them unable to see anything beyond the colors they choose to support. Is it not a strange phenomenon, this way that passion can seemingly blind a person to reason?

Just how exceptional is that car really, when you consider the results of his own teammate, who hasn't managed to secure a single win compared to what Bottas has achieved?

So, basically, one season is all it takes to decide Max is the better driver. 😁

*cough Netflix fan cough*

graniteharbor502 said:Would you be so kind as to provide me with a direct link to that specific regulation regarding weaving and the exact date it was amended?
☕

And furthermore, how does one account for Hamilton forcing Max Verstappen off the track at Silverstone? Is that viewed as a display of clean racing, or should we categorize it as outright cheating?☕

The rule itself didn't change, per se—it was more that after that race, Whiting stepped in to clarify the interpretation, because back then it was definitely considered a gray area (you can check the forums if you need a refresher).

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ha...36978/4436978/

"My approach to racing is always the same," said Hamilton. "I think the ruling was fair at the [Malaysian] race, and the FIA and Charlie took I believe what was a fair decision, and gave us a warning for it not to happen again.

"I discussed with him [in China] and he made it clear that it is not what he wants to see, so we just don't do it again. It is a lesson learned and we move forward.

"Unfortunately the guys [the other drivers] - I don't understand why everyone was fussing about it but it wasn't really a problem for me."

When asked if he felt the other drivers had over-reacted, he said: "Yeah - they seemed to be talking about it for some time.

"It was with the ruling of how many times you can move with defending, but it is not clear what is defending and what is breaking the tow. Charlie has made it clear now and we won't be doing it."

Just tell Hamilton thanks for pointing out the loophole via tactical driving ☕ so these kinds of tricks don't keep happening. At least, not until the golden boy decides to try it himself...

Lawrence Garcia5 said:And you're clearly an anti-Hamilton guy. It’s honestly hilarious how much resentment he and Mercedes-Benz have stirred up over the last few years.

But looking at this objectively, both drivers messed up. They should have started in the last and second-to-last positions. That’s the fairest call you could make.

Nah, I'm a Hakkinen fan through and through. These new guys don't mean anything to me, except I have to stay updated for work...

So explain to me how punishing both of them by putting them at the back is "fair"? Does tampering with the formula count as cheating in your book too?...

By the way, who would you actually have them start at the very back?