Bad Boys - Part IV

Eric Phillips52 said:you guys basically make a habit out of picking fights over everything.

I mean, the whole point of democracy is listening to things we might not actually want to hear—one person, one vote, regardless of what that opinion is. I think when we start dismissing people's voices, that's exactly how we end up in the mess we're in today.

Robin Anderson8 said:This didn't just start yesterday. We’ve had guys permanently disabled by stones, someone from the Riot Squad lost an eye, thank God nobody died in that fire in Phoenix... the question is, when is someone actually going to die? And then what? More hypocritical ceasefires and empty slogans...

We need to face facts and have the older generation mentor the younger ones about boundaries, even if it's tough when the adrenaline hits. There have to be rules and respect...

And I'll say it again, people shouldn't even be posting this here for reasons you all know well...

Talk about "mentoring" when they were the ones causing chaos back when belts were the main accessory
It's not like we needed that kind of help 🤷

Jerry Gray5 said:That whole thing about age is just nonsense, honestly...

Look, there are plenty of sane people with actual common sense out there, but this whole thing is just pure garbage. We’re talking about some kind of idealism that maybe thirty people in any given group actually believes in. As if we can all just sit down, make a pact, and everyone will actually stick to it? Please. It's a joke. If we keep acting like this, we deserve to see the sport die and turn into whatever corporate, soulless version of soccer exists today.

And the ultras? They can keep dreaming, I guess...

Just read the whole sentence first, man.🙂

I don't know, man, sometimes the level of pure hatred I feel for someone makes me wonder what I’d actually do to them. Like, if some guy from a rival gang ran into me right now, I wouldn't even give a damn about his health—I’d probably go way out of my way to make sure he really felt it. But then again, if it was one of those guys from a rival city like Chicago or Philly, honestly? Just humiliating them would be more satisfying. Like, making them eat dirt or something... though, honestly, now that I'm getting older, that isn't even the goal anymore. Nowadays, I'd much rather just sit back and enjoy a steak dinner on the opponent's dime.

Eric Phillips52 said:What a bunch of hypocrites. You guys love preaching about peace and playing the moral high ground now, but where was this energy for the last five years? Not a peep. Why didn't you suggest we all just go sit in a field next to the I-95 and call it a day back then? Maybe it's because 80% of you don't even care about the fans and weren't even there in the trenches. You just sit behind a screen acting like geniuses, picking fights with everyone. Our clashes aren't the problem. If anything, we just need to swap out the rocks for something else and stop breaking property, and we'll be fine.

Oh, so you suddenly know exactly who's hiding behind every single username here? You're so sure that nobody else witnessed the chaos except for you?

Eric Phillips52 said:What a bunch of hypocrites. All this moralizing about peaceful protests when you haven't seen a single real riot in the last five years. Why didn't any of you suggest heading to that field by the interstate back then to settle things? Maybe it's because 80% of you don't even care about being part of the fan base and weren't even there, yet you act like experts, constantly picking fights over everything. Our clashes aren't the problem; the only thing that needs changing is the rocks and the property damage. That's it.

And how many riots have you actually witnessed? I'm genuinely curious. Based on your posts, you seem like some frustrated kid who hasn't seen much of the real world, so you come here to vent your frustrations.

I am officially done with sake—not going near the stuff again until they actually write some laws to regulate it into the Constitution.

Look, you can say whatever you want, but the Riot Squad is hands down the most honorable group in this entire country. We all saw how those Bad Boys acted back in places like Little Rock or Des Moines... we know exactly how they behaved when they showed up in Chicago or even at the last major stadium, despite being outnumbered three to one.

The Riot Squad was totally unarmed during that incident in New Orleans, and honestly, that almost cost us a massive brawl. But seriously, it’s just insane to be sitting here arguing about this while some of our guys are stuck behind bars.

Man, there’s no point getting worked up about it. It’s just common sense—I’m obviously not gonna see eye to eye with everyone, even if they were my own kid.

Jonathan Lewis3 said:I’m done with the sake until they actually write some rules about it into a constitution.

The Riot Squad is easily the most honorable group in this entire country, and you can say whatever you want about them. We all saw how the Bad Boys acted back in suburban Ohio or down in Georgia... things they carried with them when they showed up in Chicago for the Swiss match, and even at the last station, despite being outnumbered three to one.

At the stadium in New Orleans, the Riot Squad was unarmed, and that almost cost us a massive brawl. Honestly, it’s ridiculous to be debating this while our guys are sitting in a jail cell.

Good Lord, I have no idea what Boldo would even say about this.🤣

Jesse Campbell said:Sure, I get where you're coming from. But is the only alternative to sticks, flares, bottles, and rocks just an open field? Why not simply agree that the only weapons allowed are hands and feet?

That is precisely what was crossing my mind... though anyone who has ever actually been in a scrap—and let's be honest, most people have at least had a playground scuffle—knows that full-contact fighting has absolutely nothing to do with hurling stones or bottles from twenty yards away.

Why am I such a proponent of "fair fights"? Well, I’ve touched on a few reasons already, but let me expand. First off, it's about truly getting to know your crew and seeing what everyone is made of. Personally, I don't hold it against people who bolt because they’re terrified of taking a punch. A supporter group can be a fantastic community for hanging out, grabbing beers, and traveling to away games, but a street fight is a completely different beast, and often the loudest voices in the stands are the first ones to vanish when things get heavy. A real crew has to be all for one and one for all. If someone isn't capable of being part of that unit, then frankly, there’s nothing left for them to seek there. It’s just the way it works. There are plenty of other ways to contribute to the movement—choreography, designing banners, or composing chants. We shouldn't stigmatize those who might lack the stomach for a brawl, because they can still provide massive value to the group in other arenas. Being a fan doesn't require you to be some hyper-masculine tough guy. That’s how those hardcore groups over in Russia operate; they know each other intimately, and if a hundred guys decide to settle things, every single one of them shows up without exception. Anyone who wavers or retreats is out. And I’m not talking about retreating because you’re physically overwhelmed or taking a hit; I mean retreating because you simply give up and run. That is simply not tolerated. On the flip side, when you're throwing rocks and bottles, it’s perfectly standard to clear out once you've emptied your arsenal; in fact, that’s almost expected.

Whether the showdown happens in a field or in the city isn't the primary issue, even if an open field offers certain perks. 1.) It keeps everything completely out of the public eye. 2.) If someone gets knocked sideways, there’s much less chance of a serious injury compared to hitting your head on concrete or a metal railing. Now, the advantage of the city streets is that the supporter culture is fundamentally an urban phenomenon, so you retain that gritty, street-level aesthetic.

And there is a third point that people rarely bring up, which in my opinion is decisive—though, mind you, I am certainly no legal scholar, so feel free to correct me if I'm off base. It comes down to the concept of victim consent. In a scenario involving, say, a ten-on-ten clash in a field, there technically isn't a criminal offense occurring because both sides have voluntarily consented to the confrontation. I know this because of the sports I participate in; by that logic, every contact sport would be considered a criminal act. If both parties agree to a fight under specific rules, no crime has been committed, and everyone can go home in peace. Every individual should have the right to engage in a fight, provided both sides genuinely want it.

Taylor Sanchez3 said:I guess everyone should have the right to a fight, provided both sides actually want it.

I think you're wrong.

Jonathan Lewis3 said:The Dawg Pound was totally unarmed on the right side

Yeah, but instead of slicing through your glass bottles, those two New Yorkers were more interested in your wedding rings. Or maybe they just had super long fingernails, who knows? You can find anything these days... 🤣

Zachary Sullivan2 said:👍 I suppose these kids will eventually grow up, too—once they take out their first loan or start being responsible for filling the fridge themselves. Personally, I suspect ninety percent of the tough guys on this forum would be back home after just two days, complaining to their mothers about why she didn't pick up their favorite brand of deli meat or pâté.

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honestly, what a bunch of absolute morons you all are

Paul Young5 said:You’re wrong about that.

Fine, you win! I’ll concede the point. Though, if memory serves—and my memory is occasionally a bit hazy on legal technicalities—I recall reading somewhere that in sanctioned, consensual brawls, there isn't necessarily "guilt" or a "criminal offense" in the traditional sense, provided certain ground rules are respected. It’s a subtle distinction between being morally at fault and being legally liable, but it matters. For instance, if a participant takes a tumble to the canvas and stops resisting, transitioning instead into a purely defensive posture, the aggressor loses any perceived right to keep swinging. At that point, the "sporting" element evaporates, and you've just got someone getting jumped.

Anyone who thinks they can just swing a fist and then follow it up by smashing someone in the head with a rock is nothing more than a lowlife. Honestly, acting tough from a distance like that is for cowards; any group worth its salt should take care of a degenerate like that immediately. To the Ultras: look, nobody’s perfect, but you’ve already dealt with the Bad Boys in that exact same way before, haven't you?

cosmicdrifter44 said:honestly, you guys are absolute morons

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Jonathan Lewis3 said:The Ultras are easily the most respected group in this entire country, and you lot can say whatever you want about us—it won't change the facts. I remember exactly how those Bad Boys behaved back in cities like Des Moines or Little Rock, and frankly, it was pathetic. You show up to our territory in places like Miami or even down at the last stadium stop, acting like you own the place, even though we outnumbered you three to one.

Is this even remotely possible? 😲😲🤣

Someone claimed that behind those stones and barricades, you’ve just got people who are too afraid to throw a punch. Honestly, I don't see it that way at all; isn't it more likely there are plenty of folks who would much rather stand on a line and trade blows than face down someone with a telescope or a heavyweight boxer? Besides, you just don't get that same rush out in the suburbs that you feel on the street, and nobody is stopping the people who prefer the outskirts from staying there. To me, the whole debate is already a closed case 🙂

Jonathan Lewis3 said:I’m done with the sake scene until they actually write some rules into a constitution about how things should run.

The Ultras are the most honorable group in the country, and you can say whatever you want about them. We all saw how those Bad Boys acted back in the suburbs—they’re always causing trouble... which is exactly what they did when they showed up in Miami for the big game, and again at the last station, even though we outnumbered them three to one.

The Ultras were unarmed at the stadium, and that almost got us into a massive brawl. Honestly, it's pretty ridiculous to be debating this while our guys are sitting in jail.

Jonathan Lewis3, don't take this personally, but you constantly jump in with these "we all know..." or "everyone realizes..." lines, only to dump a mountain of nonsense before landing on some half-baked, pseudo-neutral conclusion. Just drop it.