#21 ·
loneviper15 said:Personally, I find this whole fixation on whether cows are being pumped full of antibiotics or steroids to be utterly nonsensical. 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDi...eature=related
Milk used to last 2 days, now it's 7+. What's in this stuff?
Started by Casey Rogers47 · · 👁 6 views · 67 replies
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDi...eature=related
#22 ·
northerncobra27 said:Which additives are we even talking about?
Is that really why you think milk from small-scale farms is the gold standard? I remember a few years back, when Ferrero implemented stricter quality control standards for their milk purchases, there was this viral video of some guy lugging around two buckets of milk, looking totally baffled by all the fuss over bacteria. Look, bacteria exist in milk—they always have, and they always will! The real issue is that those tiny operations with just one or two cows often can't afford regular veterinary visits. There's a much higher risk that instead of calling a pro, they might just grab some antibiotics off the black market and try to DIY the treatment without any oversight.
As for hormones, you can't just take American studies and apply them to our situation here. It's a completely different landscape because hormone use in livestock is perfectly legal in the United States, whereas it's strictly prohibited in Europe.
Exactly! And then someone had the nerve to reply to me with some YouTube link specifically about how things work in America.
#23 ·
Who is milk actually intended for, and at what stage of life?
The fundamental purpose of milk is to provide nourishment for a species' offspring. Naturally, during those initial stages of life, all mammals rely on their mother's milk, but eventually, that dietary phase comes to an end. Interestingly, humans seem to be the only species out there that continues to consume milk well into adulthood.
It just isn't natural for animals to be drinking milk once they've matured, much like it wouldn't be natural for them to consume the milk of a different species. In fact, humans are quite unique in being the only creatures that regularly drink the milk of another species.
The pharmaceutical lobby
The pharmaceutical lobby is one of the most powerful forces on the planet, which makes it incredibly difficult for the actual truth to surface; consequently, most people live under the impression that milk and dairy products are some kind of nutritional miracle, not to mention how easily scientific research can be influenced by such heavy hitters.
Pasteurization
The marketing surrounding pasteurized dairy products is arguably one of the most deceptive advertising campaigns in modern history. Many people believe pasteurized milk is a health food, but that is simply not the case. While a cow might naturally produce healthy milk, these animals often live in filthy conditions and are pumped full of antibiotics, hormones, and steroids to force rapid growth instead of grazing peacefully on lush, green pastures. Pasteurized milk offers very little benefit to the body. When you combine the subpar living conditions of the cattle with the processes of pasteurization and homogenization, you find that the milk is essentially stripped of its nutritional value. Pasteurization effectively destroys vital enzymes, depletes vitamin content, denatures delicate milk proteins, wipes out vitamins like C, B12, and B6, and kills off all the beneficial bacteria.
A few more thoughts on milk...
The chemical makeup of cow's milk is fundamentally different from that of human milk. Cow's milk contains casein, which the human digestive system struggles to process, leading to a sense of sluggishness throughout the body. Furthermore, the byproducts of milk consumption leave behind a significant amount of highly acidic toxic substances in the system. A major issue with digesting milk is the production of mucus within the body; this mucus coats the membranes, which slows down the absorption of other nutrients and causes our vital energy to dissipate. Additionally, because of an improper ratio of calcium to phosphorus, milk can actually leach calcium right out of your bones. Various studies have indicated that individuals who consume high amounts of milk and dairy products tend to suffer more frequently from heart disease, arthritis, allergies, asthma, and migraines.
Milk is also linked to numerous other health complications, especially when you consider that it can carry pesticides, hormones, and various infections or diseases from the cows themselves.
Many experts point out that consuming dairy products laden with hormones may be one of the driving factors behind the increasingly early onset of puberty in young girls.
...to learn more about milk: www.realmilk.com
The fundamental purpose of milk is to provide nourishment for a species' offspring. Naturally, during those initial stages of life, all mammals rely on their mother's milk, but eventually, that dietary phase comes to an end. Interestingly, humans seem to be the only species out there that continues to consume milk well into adulthood.
It just isn't natural for animals to be drinking milk once they've matured, much like it wouldn't be natural for them to consume the milk of a different species. In fact, humans are quite unique in being the only creatures that regularly drink the milk of another species.
The pharmaceutical lobby
The pharmaceutical lobby is one of the most powerful forces on the planet, which makes it incredibly difficult for the actual truth to surface; consequently, most people live under the impression that milk and dairy products are some kind of nutritional miracle, not to mention how easily scientific research can be influenced by such heavy hitters.
Pasteurization
The marketing surrounding pasteurized dairy products is arguably one of the most deceptive advertising campaigns in modern history. Many people believe pasteurized milk is a health food, but that is simply not the case. While a cow might naturally produce healthy milk, these animals often live in filthy conditions and are pumped full of antibiotics, hormones, and steroids to force rapid growth instead of grazing peacefully on lush, green pastures. Pasteurized milk offers very little benefit to the body. When you combine the subpar living conditions of the cattle with the processes of pasteurization and homogenization, you find that the milk is essentially stripped of its nutritional value. Pasteurization effectively destroys vital enzymes, depletes vitamin content, denatures delicate milk proteins, wipes out vitamins like C, B12, and B6, and kills off all the beneficial bacteria.
A few more thoughts on milk...
The chemical makeup of cow's milk is fundamentally different from that of human milk. Cow's milk contains casein, which the human digestive system struggles to process, leading to a sense of sluggishness throughout the body. Furthermore, the byproducts of milk consumption leave behind a significant amount of highly acidic toxic substances in the system. A major issue with digesting milk is the production of mucus within the body; this mucus coats the membranes, which slows down the absorption of other nutrients and causes our vital energy to dissipate. Additionally, because of an improper ratio of calcium to phosphorus, milk can actually leach calcium right out of your bones. Various studies have indicated that individuals who consume high amounts of milk and dairy products tend to suffer more frequently from heart disease, arthritis, allergies, asthma, and migraines.
Milk is also linked to numerous other health complications, especially when you consider that it can carry pesticides, hormones, and various infections or diseases from the cows themselves.
Many experts point out that consuming dairy products laden with hormones may be one of the driving factors behind the increasingly early onset of puberty in young girls.
...to learn more about milk: www.realmilk.com
#24 ·
Susan Bishop92 said:A lot of people claim that eating dairy loaded with hormones is why girls are hitting puberty so much earlier now.
Kids are just hitting puberty sooner because they're eating better overall, not because of some magic hormone in the milk. 😉
#25 ·
Honestly, I have no clue exactly which additives they're using—but they're definitely packing them into those low-fat products (the ones labeled 0.9% fat, for instance). It’s the same game they play with Coca-Cola—you look at a Coke with zero sugar and think you're safe, but it's actually loaded with artificial sweeteners. They aren't technically sugar, sure, but I guess consuming them in large quantities is probably even worse for you than just having actual sugar.
#26 ·
Casey Rogers47 said:About 10 or 15 years ago, fresh milk lasted maybe two days, but now that same milk stays good for over a week. Yogurt lasts three weeks or more now, whereas it used to be about a week.
Does anyone know if they're adding additives, or is the processing just different now? Is that why the shelf life has jumped so much?
It wasn't even two days back then. Nowadays, the whole processing and shipping loop to the grocery stores is way faster. It might have been two days if you lived out in the middle of nowhere and had to haul the milk in by horse and buggy.
#27 ·
James Rogers53 said:It feels a bit ridiculous to me because it’s been proven that soy is loaded with estrogens😕
And regarding the idea that farm-fresh milk from small local farms is the healthiest option... yeah, I'm totally with you on that. From what I gather, big corporations (like Walmart or Ferrero...) buy up milk from those smaller producers anyway. Or do they?😕
But we're talking about plant-based, not animal-based estrogens, so there's a distinction there... and I'm not sure if it's actually "loaded" with them, I just know that milk usually isn't recommended for endometriosis, much like meat or anything else of animal origin where hormones are added...
#29 ·
brightlynx11 said:It’s more about the fact that kids are getting better nutrition overall, rather than there being hormones hidden in their milk. 😉
🤣
Could you please be so kind as to elaborate on what exactly you mean by the phrase "better nutrition"?
#30 ·
Susan Bishop92 said:Why would the argument be stupid?!
It’s common knowledge that basically any livestock raised for food is loaded with antibiotics. So, naturally, the milk ends up being full of all sorts of junk, too.
Beyond those antibiotics—which are hardly harmless, by the way—milk goes through homogenization and pasteurization. By the time it hits the shelf, it doesn't have even a tenth of the beneficial nutrients found in raw milk.
Well, it's "common knowledge" because people like you keep repeating it as if it were true, even though it isn't. You can't just take milk from a cow that's currently on antibiotics. The dairy industry and veterinary inspectors monitor this strictly—if a supplier tried to sneak that kind of milk into a company like Ferrero, they'd lose their contract in a heartbeat. Consequently, farmers actually try to minimize antibiotic use because a cow on medication is nothing but a drain on their bottom line.
#31 ·
Susan Bishop92 said:Who exactly is milk intended for, and at what stage of life?
Milk exists to nourish a species' young. Naturally, all mammals rely on their mother's milk during those initial stages—but eventually, that phase ends. Humans are pretty much the only species out there still drinking milk as adults.
It isn't natural for animals to be consuming milk once they've matured, just like it wouldn't be natural for them to drink milk from a different species. And yet, humans are the only ones doing exactly that.
Humans are also the only species that cooks their food and eats it with forks and spoons. Apparently, it’s "unnatural"—so we should all go back to eating everything raw with our hands since that's supposedly more "natural," right? 🤣 🤣
Besides, cats—and a few other lucky animals—will drink milk if they happen to stumble upon it. And yes, even as adults.😲
#32 ·
James Rogers53 said:Just a guess... you a vegetarian or something?😁
🙂 😁 Vegetarian? Yeah, right... hardly. 😉 I just eat whatever tastes good... honestly... if it hits the spot, I'm having it. No rules. 🙂
#33 ·
James Rogers53 said:I honestly don't have a clue what specific additives they're using, but I'm fairly certain they're packing them into those low-fat products—you know, the ones labeled as having maybe 0.9% fat. It feels like the exact same tactic used with Coca-Cola; you look at a zero-sugar Coke and see no sugar listed, yet it’s actually loaded with all these different sweeteners that aren't technically sugar, but if you consume them in large amounts, they could very well be more harmful than the real thing..
Exactly, though with Coca-Cola, they actually have to list it on the label for anyone who cares to look, whereas with milk, it isn't quite as transparently documented, and reading through your massive post, it really makes me wonder if we can truly consider these things to be safe at all?
#34 ·
loneviper15;12886958 said:I drink about two liters of milk every day, and it's always Ferrero.
Man, that's just straight-up overkill. Honestly, if you keep that up, you're going to end up feeling pretty sick; it's definitely not doing you any favors.👎
#35 ·
northerncobra27 said:Yeah, sure—it's listed on Coca-Cola, so if you're into that... but it isn't on milk, and based on the tone of your post, I'm guessing you don't think that's exactly safe either?
Look, I'm telling you, it's fine.
It isn't declared on Coca-Cola, and it isn't on milk either.
On the Coke, it just says: 0g carbs and nothing else.
On the milk, it says: 0.9% fat and nothing else.
#36 ·
Susan Bishop92 said:🤣
So, be a pal and explain exactly what you mean by "eating better."
They eat more often and in larger amounts. No starving allowed. That guy who kept Natascha Kampusch locked up used to starve her just to stunt her puberty.
#37 ·
James Rogers53 said:the label says 0g carbs and nothing else...
The ingredients are listed on the bottle. If I had one sitting right here, I’d write them all out. But you can bet they’ve included every sweetener and dye used in the mix.
In milk, (I assume) the only ingredient is milk itself, which is about 0.9% fat, maybe 3.5% protein, and some percentage of carbs. So, it's clearly stated there too.
#38 ·
brightlynx11 said:They’re eating more often and in larger amounts. They aren't starving themselves. That guy who kept Natascha Kampusch captive used to deprive her of food just to delay puberty.
Exactly. Everyone wants to blame dairy or soy for early puberty, but nobody mentions the obvious... those kids hitting puberty too soon are usually carrying an extra 50 or 60 pounds for their age and height.
#39 ·
James Rogers53 said:Diet Coke says: 0g carbs and nothing else
Here’s what’s actually in a Diet Coke:
Ingredients: water, carbon dioxide,
color: caramel e150d
acid: phosphoric acid
sweeteners: cyclamate, acesulfame-k, aspartame
flavor: caffeine
acidity regulator: sodium citrate
preservative: sodium benzoate
None of that stuff counts as carbohydrates. Learn how to read a label.
#40 ·
Grace Rodriguez10 said:Yeah, everyone blames either dairy or soy for early puberty, but nobody mentions that those kids hitting puberty too soon are usually carrying an extra 50 or 60 pounds for their age and height.
Every type of food is a culprit when it comes to early puberty. It’s an incredibly high-energy process.
I'm not just talking about obese kids, either—even kids eating what we consider a "normal" diet today. If you compare today's "standard diet" to any other point in human history, it's basically pure luxury.
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