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Milk used to last 2 days, now it's 7+. What's in this stuff?

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James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
65 messages
joined Jul 2010
#61 ·
It’s easy enough to just mention Japan. In Japan, the ratio is about 1:10.
According to this study I found via Google, it says "26% of parents of 4-year-old children... stated that their children had some kind of allergy disease"—can't really copy the PDF though.

http://sjp.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/34/3/125.pdf

The research was conducted in Western Europe.

Specifically, for a Swedish person, it says 20% suffer from allergies—so that's 1:5—which isn't exactly a small gap...

As for whether milk is actually the culprit, I guess we won't know for sure... my take is that milk plays a role, among other things.
vividorca45 vividorca45 Member
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joined Nov 2007
#62 ·
And whether milk is truly at fault here? Well, we may never know for certain... though if you ask me, I suspect dairy might be playing a role in this too.

There are several culprits behind the rise in allergies. Some mysteries will likely remain unsolved, but what we do understand—roughly speaking—is that it boils down to an inability of the immune system to respond appropriately to specific environmental triggers. There are various potential causes for the emergence of these sensitivities. One factor is the sheer level of cleanliness—and I am being entirely serious here—and the sterile environments we create around our children. A child's immune system needs to learn how to contend with its surroundings through gradual exposure from the earliest possible age. If that doesn't happen and they are suddenly thrust into contact with a foreign agent, an allergy can manifest. This certainly isn't the sole reason, and I won't dive into a deep philosophical debate since it’s slightly off-topic, but...
One critical driver is undoubtedly diet. Within our food supply, there is a vast array of additives that, when consumed in large quantities, can be detrimental to health. I am specifically referring to synthetic additives; there are substances often labeled as additives that are actually just extracts from natural, logical sources, such as chlorophyll or beta-carotene. Of course, every additive is included in food within legally mandated limits that shouldn't exceed the daily permitted dose. Everything would be fine if we only had to worry about a single daily dose. However, in this day and age, most people consume highly processed industrial foods packed with various additives that can trigger both allergic reactions and hyperactive behavior.

Milk and most basic dairy products don't fall into that category. I would, however, exclude all colored dairy products—mostly those various desserts, fruit yogurts, and similar treats. It is absolutely essential to LEARN how to read a product label. Anything that is fermented and contains no additives other than the dairy cultures used to naturally ferment the milk is healthy. I assume many have heard the term "prebiotics," but I suspect many others have no idea what that actually entails. Simply put, those are the bacterial cultures used to produce yogurt and other naturally fermented dairy products, and they are incredibly beneficial for our health. I won't go into detail; I could easily write several pages on the subject.
Furthermore, milk and dairy products serve as vital sources of Vitamins A and D. They are a far superior choice for nutritional intake compared to, say, a Kraft Heinz beverage when looking for vitamin sources.
northerncobra27 northerncobra27 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#63 ·
Well, here we go again, everyone is mixing up apples and oranges. It’s just not an equal comparison when you consider that a Swedish person and a Japanese person live completely different lives, shaped by totally distinct environments and daily routines—not to mention they are genetically, and even visibly, quite different from one another. If you really wanted to find a controlled variable, you might try comparing Japanese people who drink milk to Japanese people who don't. But even then, it gets complicated because those who skip the dairy likely share a whole cluster of other lifestyle habits that set them apart from the milk drinkers. If things were as straightforward as some of you seem to think, we would have cracked the code on what actually causes allergies ages ago, and with a bit of luck, we might have actually solved the problem by now. Personally, I haven't the slightest clue if milk plays a direct role in triggering allergies, but it does make me wonder: humans have been consuming dairy since the very dawn of animal husbandry, which means we've been doing it for a truly massive stretch of history. So why is it that the sheer number and frequency of allergies seem to be skyrocketing only in recent times? I find myself deeply skeptical that milk is the primary culprit behind this trend.

James Rogers53, you’re the only one drinking Coca-Cola, and even then, it's just occasionally and in moderation. As the saying goes, the dose makes the poison. And regarding my comment about reading the labels, I was addressing an inaccurate statement, so please don't try to twist my words! 🙂
James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#64 ·
Look, I'm not saying dairy is the root of all evil, but more and more nutritionists are starting to push back against it—so I'm being cautious myself. It’s not like we’re going to solve the mystery here, believe me. Whether milk is actually "healthy" or not is one thing, but I’m assuming—hopefully—that having it in reasonable amounts shouldn't mess with anyone's development...

northerncobra27, fine, you caught me. I'll just grab a Coke or a Fanta when I'm at AMC. I mean, what's the point of going to the movies without the popcorn, a mountain of salt, and a soda designed to make you thirstier with every sip?
brightlynx11 brightlynx11 Member
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joined Dec 2012
#65 ·
James Rogers53 said:Look, I’m not saying dairy is the root of all evil, but more and more nutritionists are flagging it, so I'm definitely being careful about it.

Duh. People are basically chugging gallons of it instead of just having a glass or a cup now. 🤣
Joseph Watson3 Joseph Watson3 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#66 ·
northerncobra27 said:I honestly have no clue if dairy is actually driving the allergy surge, but I can't help but wonder—humans have been drinking milk since we first started farming, which is a ridiculously long time. So why is the frequency of allergies suddenly spiking right now? I'm pretty skeptical that milk is the primary culprit here.

If I had to bet, I'd say it's simply because nobody used to pay attention to these minor details—let alone get tested for fifty different allergens like people do today. It’s not that there were fewer allergies back then; it's just that life expectancy was much shorter. People were dying from routine illnesses that we easily fix now, so nobody was really overanalyzing the link between milk and allergies (they were just happy to have a meal). It's basically just a byproduct of a higher standard of living and a better healthcare system—the classic "prosperity paradox" effect again. 😁
northerncobra27 northerncobra27 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#67 ·
vividorca45 said:... because there are substances categorized as additives that are actually just extracts from natural, logical sources, such as chlorophyll or beta-carotene...

That’s precisely the point I’ve been chewing on. If my memory serves me right, by strict definition, those wouldn't even qualify as additives; if they come from a natural source and are technically part of the product itself according to the label, they don't necessarily have to be listed. It reminds me of how certain components can be added to dairy products—if they're derived directly from milk, for instance, there's often no requirement to declare them separately. So, it makes me wonder, is that same logic applied to something as basic as a gallon of milk or a standard tub of yogurt?
northerncobra27 northerncobra27 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#68 ·
Joseph Watson3 said:I’d honestly bet my bottom dollar that the reason we see this isn't because there are actually more allergens out there, but rather because nobody used to pay any attention to these tiny details, much less run tests against fifty different specific triggers like we do today. Back in the day, life expectancy was significantly lower than what we experience now, and people were routinely passing away from things that are easily treatable in modern medicine, so no one really had the luxury of sitting around philosophizing about milk allergies—people were just grateful to have access to basic nutrition. It feels like a byproduct of having a higher standard of living and a robust healthcare system—sort of like that "prosperity paradox" where 😁

It isn't just about milk allergies, either; I genuinely believe that allergies in general are on the rise. Though, I have to admit, once you start sneezing uncontrollably in February because of hay fever, like I do, it definitely starts to feel like the entire world has suddenly become allergic to everything😁.

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