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Milk used to last 2 days, now it's 7+. What's in this stuff?

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Participants Casey Rogers47Aaron Flores2Nicole JamesNicole Lee4James Rogers53Noah Gray4boldfox8Carol Parkerloneviper15David Green11vividorca45brightlynx11northerncobra27melloweagle11brightstag9Harold Stewart3Joseph Watson3Nicholas Moore5Grace Rodriguez10jadesailor14Ryan Bailey6cosmicsailor91wiredcobra11
James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
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#41 ·
brightlynx11 said:Diet Coke lists the following:
Ingredients: water, carbon dioxide,
color: caramel E150d
acid: 😳phosphoric acid
sweeteners: cyclamate, acesulfame-k, aspartame
flavoring: caffeine
acidity regulator: sodium citrate
preservative: sodium benzoate

None of that stuff counts as carbohydrates—so you can't really group it under carbs. Maybe try actually reading the label.

I'm not comparing milk to Diet Coke—cola is way more complex than milk—but do you honestly think everything they pour in there is listed on the packaging?... just Google "milk additives" and see what comes up. Besides, how do you explain 0.9% milk fat... how does that even happen?
northerncobra27 northerncobra27 Active Member
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#42 ·
James Rogers53 said:I’m not exactly trying to equate milk to Diet Coke, since obviously a soda is a much more complex concoction than just plain milk, but do you honestly believe that everything poured into a container actually gets printed on the label? If you take a second to search Google for additives found in milk, you'll see what I mean. Besides, how else would you explain something like 0.9% milk fat... how is that even produced?

By skimming the cream off the top of whole milk?😕
jadesailor14 jadesailor14 Regular
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joined May 2006
#43 ·
I honestly think an explanation from James Rogers53 would be way more entertaining! 😁
jadesailor14 jadesailor14 Regular
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joined May 2006
#44 ·
brightlynx11 said:If you compare what we consider a "standard diet" today to certain eras of human history, it’s nothing short of pure luxury.


Honestly, if people just sat down and asked their grandparents what they actually ate growing up, a lot of things would start making a whole lot more sense!
Ryan Bailey6 Ryan Bailey6 Newcomer
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#45 ·
How to pasteurize milk at home, according to http://www.bchealthguide.org:

"If you're living out in a rural part of British Columbia and can't get your hands on commercially pasteurized milk, you can use this method for home pasteurization:
First, make sure your milk bottles and caps are completely disinfected. Boil them in water for 10 minutes, or pop them in a preheated oven at 212º F (100º C) for about 20 minutes.
Pour your raw milk into the upper part of a double boiler. Slowly bring the temperature up to at least 145º F (63º C) and hold it right there for no less than 30 minutes. You’ll need to stir it frequently so it doesn't burn and to ensure the heat stays consistent throughout.
Use a clean, dependable thermometer to check the temp constantly. Stick the thermometer about 2/3 of the way down into the milk—don't just let it rest against the bottom or the sides of the pot. If the temperature dips below 145º F (63º C), crank the heat back up to at least 145º F (63º C) and restart your 30-minute timer from scratch.
To cool the milk, quickly place the top part of the double boiler into an ice water bath. Give it a good stir every so often to speed up the cooling process.
Once it's cooled down, pour the milk into those sterilized bottles and stash them in the fridge at 40º F (4º C).

Pasteurized milk stored in the refrigerator should stay good for up to two weeks."

Pay close attention to that last bit. Since we aren't using any additives, milk processed this way should remain usable for two weeks if you keep it refrigerated.

Here is one more Q&A from that same site. This one refers to the laws in British Columbia.
"Do people add additives or preservatives to pasteurized milk?
According to the law, vitamins A and D have to be added to pasteurized milk. Beyond that, nothing else is allowed to be added to the milk."
Ryan Bailey6 Ryan Bailey6 Newcomer
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#46 ·
According to the FDA food additive regulation http://www.croacta.com/nn/similar.ph...91995564&tp=sd:

"Unless otherwise specified within this regulation, adding food additives is strictly prohibited to:
... – near-flavored pasteurized or sterilized milk (this includes UHT processed milk) and cream, regardless of the fat content in its original state,

– fermented near-flavored dairy products and fresh cheese..."
James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
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#47 ·
Well, damn... you guys finally got me.😢

I can still try to claim this is just another global conspiracy, I guess.😁
northerncobra27 northerncobra27 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#48 ·
James Rogers53 said:Well, I have to hand it to you all, you’ve finally managed to knock the wind right out of my sails.😢

And they can still sit there and try to claim that this is all just another one of those global conspiracies.😁

Honestly, there’s really no need to worry too much about it because, if you think about it, there’s always a reason to feel a little paranoid—you just have to know where to look for them.😁Honestly, I just can't bring myself to buy into the idea that milk is one of those things that could actually lead to the downfall of humanity, mostly because of a few specific reasons that weigh on my mind. I don't really subscribe to those alarmist theories about massive amounts of antibiotics or hormones being pumped into everything; from what I understand, the regulatory landscape is actually quite robust, and I’d like to think that the testing labs over in Indianapolis are doing their jobs properly to keep things safe. To me, it seems more likely that the massive industrial giants—especially those huge corporations focused heavily on international exports—wouldn't want to gamble their entire reputation on such a high-stakes risk. And then there's that whole complicated narrative regarding cow's milk and its relationship to calves, which adds another layer to the whole discussion. 🤣I mean, if you really think about it, at least one species actually drinks cow's milk, whereas I’m pretty sure not a single animal out there touches soy milk. It makes me wonder what exactly fuels these massive waves of public hysteria where everyone suddenly acts like an expert on everything, when in reality, if you take just a moment to dig a little deeper, most people haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about.

On the other hand, that whole conversation about bread seems to have just drifted off into total obscurity, which is fine, I suppose, but if you take a moment to actually look at that FDA food additive regulation that Sandra Bailey89 was bringing up earlier, you start to see just how much goes into the fine print of what we're consuming. It’s funny how things work out sometimes, isn't it? Just one of those moments where you have to step back, take a breath, and realize that life has this strange, unpredictable way of circling back around to something unexpected. It reminds me of how a slow-moving river eventually finds its path through a rocky canyon, not by fighting the stone, but by simply persisting until the landscape changes. You find yourself smiling at the sheer absurdity of it all, much like watching a perfectly timed comedy bit on a late-night talk show where everything aligns just right. It’s a quiet sort of amusement, really—not a loud laugh, but more of a gentle realization that everything is unfolding exactly as it should, even if it looks a little ridiculous in the moment. People just toss it straight into their bread dough, and honestly, nobody seems to give it a second thought. We end up consuming it about as frequently as we do milk.
Joseph Watson3 Joseph Watson3 Active Member
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#49 ·
northerncobra27 said:And then there’s her whole lecture about cow's milk and calves 🤣... I mean, at least one species actually drinks cow's milk—soy milk? I'm pretty sure nothing touches that stuff. It just makes me wonder what fuels these massive waves of hysteria where everyone suddenly becomes an expert, only for you to dig a little deeper and realize they don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about.

Like someone else already pointed out, it's all driven by the "Empty Heads, Full Asses" syndrome—which, let's face it, is a common affliction among today's self-proclaimed intellectuals.😁
northerncobra27 northerncobra27 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#50 ·
Come on, Joseph Watson3, don't be so cynical. People are constantly being bombarded with a massive flood of information every single day. If you aren't an expert in a specific field, it’s incredibly difficult to sift through it all and figure out what actually makes sense. On the flip side, people get this false sense of control over their own lives—if I can just blame milk for every single thing that goes wrong in the world, then the problem becomes solvable; I'll just stop drinking milk and live a happy, healthy life until the very end, maybe even longer. What really worries me is how everyone seems to claim they know everything, acting so certain and authoritative, when their primary source is some fringe leftist website, if they even have one at all. And here is more "reliable" info that will eventually become someone else's gospel truth.

So, look, our Mystical friend started with a valid point; diet products really do contain artificial sweeteners and who knows what other additives used for flavor balancing and whatnot. It's just that, due to a lack of understanding, he took information that applies to sodas and hot dogs and applied it directly to milk, making these heavy-handed claims with total confidence, despite having no clue how raw milk is actually processed. Honestly, as far as I'm concerned, he completely lost any shred of credibility when he rambled on about how a bottle of Diet Coke doesn't have a label, but the starting premise was actually quite convincing. And so, I'm still left wondering if anything should be added to basic milk, while he has undoubtedly gained himself a few devoted followers.
cosmicsailor91 cosmicsailor91 Newcomer
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#51 ·
Susan Bishop92 said:Who is milk actually meant for, and at what age?
Milk exists to feed a species' young. Naturally, during those early stages of life, all mammals rely on their mother's milk, but eventually, that milk diet stops. Humans are pretty much the only species out there still drinking milk as adults.
It’s just not natural for animals to be nursing as adults, and it's definitely not natural for them to drink the milk of another species. We are the outliers here.

The Dairy Lobby
The Dairy Lobby is one of the most powerful forces on the planet. Because they have so much sway, the truth gets buried, and most people grow up believing that milk and dairy are these "perfect" foods—not to mention how easy it is for science to be bought off in this industry.

Pasteurization
The whole marketing machine behind pasteurized dairy is one of the biggest scams happening today. People genuinely believe pasteurized milk is this healthy staple, but it's not. Sure, a cow would produce healthy milk if she weren't living in filthy conditions, pumped full of antibiotics, hormones, and steroids just to force rapid growth instead of grazing on green pastures. Pasteurized milk isn't doing our bodies any favors. Between the terrible living conditions for the cows and the processes of pasteurization and homogenization, you strip away almost all the nutritional value. Pasteurization nukes the enzymes, tanks the vitamin content, denatures delicate proteins, kills off Vitamin C, B12, and B6, and wipes out the good bacteria.

A little more on milk...
The chemical makeup of cow's milk is totally different from ours. It’s packed with casein, which is super hard for the human body to digest and leaves you feeling sluggish. Plus, dairy byproducts leave behind a bunch of acidic toxins in your system. One major issue with digesting milk is the mucus it creates. That mucus coats your membranes, which slows down nutrient absorption and wastes your vital energy. And because the calcium-to-phosphorus ratio is all messed up, milk can actually leach calcium right out of your bones. Studies have even shown that people who load up on milk and dairy products deal with higher rates of heart disease, arthritis, allergies, asthma, and migraines.
Milk is also linked to a ton of other health issues, especially when you consider that it carries pesticides, hormones, and various infections or diseases from the cows themselves.
A lot of people point out that eating dairy loaded with hormones is one reason why girls are hitting puberty so much earlier now.

...more on milk: www.realmilk.com


Thanks for sharing this!
I’ve heard plenty of times that things like milk, chicken, and beef are loaded with hormones, causing kids to mature way too fast. There was even a recent study out of the United Kingdom linking dietary hormones to increased risks of breast cancer.
Honestly, I bet parents with hyperactive kids or children on the autism spectrum would have a lot to say about this, since milk shouldn't even be in their diets.
Milk is just harder to digest, which is why we see so many kids struggling with milk and dairy allergies.
I’ll admit, though, nothing beats a warm cup of homemade milk in front of the TV before bed. The only real thing the store-bought stuff has in common with the real thing is the color white.
James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
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#52 ·
northerncobra27 said:So, our mystical friend started with a decent point—light products really do contain artificial sweeteners and who knows what other additives used for flavor correction, this and that. He just took information that applies to sodas and hot dogs and applied it to milk out of ignorance. He’s acting all authoritative and certain, but he clearly hasn't a clue how raw milk is actually processed. Honestly, he lost all credibility with me once he rambled about there being no label on a Diet Coke bottle, though his starting premise was somewhat convincing. Anyway, I still have no idea if things can be added to plain milk, but he's definitely gained a few loyal followers.

That's why people debate stuff. I also read that info somewhere along the line, a few people confirmed it for me, and I walked away thinking additives were being put in milk. But once someone posted actual evidence showing I was wrong, well, obviously I'll change my mind and admit the mistake—it wasn't coming from a bad place. Personally, I think I eat healthy and stick to good foods, and I'm of the opinion that today's "food" has a massive impact on our bodies, which is why I jumped into the discussion.

btw, I'm still not entirely sure if they add anything to milk or not, but those regulations shook up my perspective, so I'll leave it to someone smarter to weigh in if they actually know...😉
David Green11 David Green11 Member
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#53 ·
Joseph Watson3;12899989 said:It’s pretty obvious why, because ignorant people like you constantly blunt the truth even though it’s a total lie, isn't it?]

I have absolutely no intention of stooping to that level or returning fire just because someone holds a different perspective than mine—that would be frankly ridiculous! At the end of the day, we are all gathered here to share our lived experiences, and while healthy disagreement is perfectly fine, there simply isn't any room for insults in this conversation.
On a more analytical note, I’d encourage you to consider who actually stands to gain financially from the viewpoint you're defending: the Dairy Lobby and the government.
Now, ask yourself who benefits from my way of thinking? Honestly, nobody at all, save for myself and my own physical well-being. I’m certainly not out here peddling some alternative supplement or running an advertising campaign; that hasn't even crossed my mind.
So, looking at the big picture, does it seem logical to you that a massive force like the Dairy Lobby would work tirelessly to convince the public of the universal benefits of milk and dairy products? The inevitable result is that most people accept these claims without a second thought. Hey, if they want to believe it, that's their prerogative!
northerncobra27 northerncobra27 Active Member
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#54 ·
James Rogers53 said:...

I know there wasn't any malice intended here—believe me, I don't have any either—but you know how they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.😁 BTW, if I didn't think you were actually making some sense, I wouldn't even be bothering to debate this with you. You really should take a look at what it says on that black Diet Coke label...😛
wiredcobra11 wiredcobra11 Member
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#55 ·
I should probably go pick out a cemetery plot while I still have the energy.
I consume about 50 ounces of Land O'Lakes light yogurt daily, and I frequently have around 16 ounces of milk with 0.9% fat content.
brightlynx11 brightlynx11 Member
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#56 ·
Susan Bishop92 said:I’m not gonna stoop to that level or get petty just because someone disagrees with me. It's ridiculous! We're all here to share experiences, and hey, it's fine if we don't see eye to eye, but there's no place for insults.
On the flip side, think about who actually stands to gain (money-wise) from your line of thinking. The Dairy Lobby and the government.
Who benefits from how I think? Honestly, nobody but me and my own health. I'm not out here peddling some alternative remedy either.
So tell me, does it make sense that the (massive) Dairy Lobby convinces everyone that milk and dairy are basically a miracle food? The result is most people just swallow it whole without questioning anything. Whatever, suit yourself!


Give me a freaking break. Nobody is telling you to chug ten gallons of milk a day; they're saying having a little bit of milk or yogurt is fine. Moderation FTW.

You guys are panicking like milk is loaded with radioactive isotopes, dioxins, and dog crap. 😂
brightlynx11 brightlynx11 Member
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#57 ·
Let me ask you something—what’s the deal with Kefir? Apparently (according to most diabetologists, who are clearly just members of some secret Masonic cult brainwashing everyone for profit as subjects of the dark Side 😁), Kefir is one of the main reasons people in the Caucasus live so long. So, if that Caucasus Kefir is such a miracle worker, why is the stuff from Land O'Lakes total garbage?
Is it because Darth Vader forced all those pathetic dairy hacks at Land O'Lakes to produce milk, since those losers basically live in a lactose-filled Guantanamo, causing their bodies to leak neurotoxic dyes straight into the milk (which, btw, actually tastes pretty good 😁)?

😂
Ryan Bailey6 Ryan Bailey6 Newcomer
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#58 ·
Look, if someone decides they don't want to touch dairy for whatever reason, that's their business. No one is forcing them. You just have to make sure your plant-based alternatives actually pack enough calcium and Vitamin D to compensate—because let's be honest, milk is easily one of the most cost-effective ways for the average person to get those nutrients.

wiredcobra11, while you're out there running through graveyards, try not to get trampled by a stampede of Americans, Swedes, Irishmen, Dutchmen, and all the other nations that chug more than half a liter of milk every single day... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk#Nutrition_and_health and coincidentally, they also happen to sit right at the top of the charts for life expectancy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy—I mean, I'm genuinely confused as to why they haven't all dropped dead from all that milk yet.
James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
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#59 ·
Probably stays fresh longer because of the milk content😁 It’s also pretty well known that people in places like Scandinavia are dealing with more and more allergies to all sorts of crap—meanwhile, in China or Japan where they don't really drink much milk, those issues are super rare.😁

northerncobra27

I don't touch that nasty Diet Coke😁
Ryan Bailey6 Ryan Bailey6 Newcomer
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#60 ·
James Rogers53 said:They definitely aren't living longer because of milk.😁 It's also widely known that Scandinavians are increasingly dealing with all sorts of random allergies, whereas Japanese people and Chinese people, who don't really consume much milk, rarely get sick.😁

northerncobra27

I don't drink that toxic Coca-Cola stuff myself.😁

Look, I never actually claimed they live longer *because* of milk. They live longer because they have a high standard of living and access to great healthcare, not because of dairy. My point was simply that the nations with the highest milk consumption on the planet happen to be at the top of the longevity charts—which wouldn't seem so coincidental if milk were actually poison for the body and soul...

Japanese people and Chinese people rarely suffer from allergies? Seriously? Google is your friend.
http://web-japan.org/trends00/honbun/tj000317.html "Allergies are a common ailment in Japan, afflicting one in 10 people."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10760010 Chinese kids are doing just fine with allergies too... as is the rest of Asia. Allergies are on the rise globally, and if milk has anything to do with it at all, it’s very little.

My son is an allergy sufferer. He has asthma, plus he deals with rashes and rhinitis from time to time. I stumbled upon all those theories about milk being bad for allergic kids, so we tried cutting it out of his diet temporarily, thinking there couldn't be any harm in trying... After a month without a single drop of milk or any dairy products—zero improvement (though he did lose weight because he's already a picky eater, and let's be honest, soy milk isn't exactly a caloric match for cow's milk).

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