Do vaccines actually work?

Look, I know talking about shots is still basically a social death sentence, but the tide is finally turning. IN SOME COUNTRIES, MANDATORY VACCINATION ISN'T EVEN A THING ANYMORE. You realize what that implies? It means the whole underlying philosophy might be total garbage. I’m dropping a piece I wrote recently here to get the gears turning.

Trying to argue against people who have their minds totally set in stone is a losing game. Every time I’ve written about this, I feel like I’m just throwing pebbles at a tank—people react with shock or straight-up disbelief. Sure, you get pushback from the medical establishment, but it’s always just noise. LOUD NOISE, but zero substance. I kept asking for actual facts, but I never got them. Not once. Maybe because those facts simply DON'T EXIST. I’m more convinced than ever that vaccination is one of medicine's biggest scams. Honestly? It feels like we're just messing with nature. Here are 11 points that people rarely talk about, even though they're huge for understanding the mess we're in.
1. Most of the microbes that cause "serious" illness actually LIVE INSIDE HEALTHY PEOPLE without causing any trouble at all. They can hang out your whole life and never lift a finger against you. So why the panic?
2. No vaccine containing nothing but "PURE" microbes would even trigger an immune response. THE BODY ONLY REACTS BECAUSE OF THE ASSORTMENT OF POISONS MIXED INTO THE FORMULA.
3. Seeing antibodies in your blood after a shot ISN'T a guarantee of immunity. That’s just a TINY sliver of how the immune system works. It’s not the same thing.
4. Official stats show that mortality rates from ALL infectious diseases were already cratering BEFORE specific vaccines were introduced. Vaccines ARE NEVER INTRODUCED DURING AN UPWARD SPIKE IN DEATH RATES. Never. Does that mean these diseases would have vanished ANYWAY just because living conditions improved?
5. An unvaccinated kid isn't some defenseless target. Every human being possesses their own NATURAL immunity.
6. There was an analysis in The Lancet showing that the tuberculosis vaccine actually DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY REAL PROTECTION. In fact, infection rates among the vaccinated were HIGHER than among the unvaccinated. This is the ONLY published study that actually followed the rules and used strict criteria. The only one.
7. Microbes—bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites—DON'T CAUSE DISEASE. They are essential tools the body uses to clean itself out and heal.
8. Natural immunity isn't a collection of a hundred different little immunities for a hundred different bugs. (If you live healthy, you build a solid defense and stay well.) You don't need to be poked with every single disease via a needle to build resistance. Given where things are headed, they're going to keep vaccinating us more and more, and honestly, there's no end in sight.
9. ALL INFECTIOUS DISEASES ARE THE RESULT OF A TOXIC STATE WITHIN A SPECIFIC ORGAN OR THE WHOLE BODY. Symptoms are actually just the body's way of trying to flush out toxins.
10. Being susceptible to sickness depends entirely on your current health status, NOT ON EXPOSURE TO MICROBES.
11. If you truly believe a shot gives you total protection, then YOU SHOULDN'T CARE IF OTHER PEOPLE GET VACCINATED OR NOT. It should be a matter of personal choice—or parental choice. I’m terrified we’re nowhere near having that kind of freedom.
According to a 10-year study tracking polio cases in the US (1973-1983), a quarter of all paralytic cases happened IMMEDIATELY AFTER VACCINATION. On top of that, 36% of those sick were in direct contact with kids who had just taken their first dose of the oral vaccine. Throughout 1982 and 1983, EVERY SINGLE CASE of childhood paralysis in the US was linked back to vaccination in one way or another. Just a little intro to the reality of "safety."

Actually, there are MORE sick people among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

Who proved that, when, and where was it even published?

Microorganisms (bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites) DO NOT CAUSE DISEASE.

Go look up "pathogenic" in a dictionary.

Kimberly Davis52 said:Go ahead and look up "pathogenic" in the dictionary.

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I just... can't... believe... this... 🤣

Jamie Rivera78, for crying out loud, you see a conspiracy theory in every single thing. You make it sound like modern medicine is just one big, useless joke. Don't you think you're laying it on a little too thick? 🙄

Well, obviously vaccines work; it’s all about building up those antibodies.

Hey, mods—are you guys actually awake over there? 🙄

Is there any way we can finally shut down this Justin Fox/MacGregor guy?
He acts like he’s some kind of guru who can swoop in and drop "wisdom" on everyone here.
The guy is just pure chaos—spreading nothing but half-truths, total lies, and completely warped takes on medicine. 😠

Exactly... vaccines are just some secret alien project designed to take over the entire country... and get this... viruses are actually tiny little alien fragments shipped through transwarp channels from a parallel dimension. It’s honestly just a matter of time before they all merge into one massive mothership and wipe us ALL out!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!

Look, I wouldn't go as far as calling it a full-blown conspiracy, but let’s be real—something is definitely fishy going on here. Take tetanus shots, for example. Kids are supposed to get boosters every five years, yet they’re just handing them out at elementary school during first grade and then again around seventh. It doesn't add up. And don't even get me started on those combo vaccines, like the 5-in-1 shots; parents are actually out there buying those at local pharmacies themselves. It's absolutely wild! There’s plenty more nonsense like this, too... (and keep in mind, these shots aren't some lifelong shield; most of that protection wears off after just a few years. Honestly, the only real way to build true immunity is to just deal with the illness and get through it).

www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/thimerosal.htm

www.whale.to/vaccines/thimerosal.htm

www.newstarget.com/011764.html

Here are some links to chew on—for everyone looking to crucify Arsene. Even Jesus thought differently, and look how that turned out for him...

Honestly, Arsene, thank God the Inquisition is dead. People on this forum would probably love watching you burn at the stake, and then they'd brag about being the ones who reported you.

As for me, I know one thing: when I have kids, there is zero chance they're getting vaccinated. I'm certainly not letting them shove amalgam into their teeth or deal with water fluoridation. They won't be chewing Orbit (ASPARTAME) or seasoning their soup with Vegeta (Monosodium glutamate).

Go ahead. Burn me too.

Jamie Rivera78 and Jesus actually look similar. It’s the hair.

The discovery and use of polio vaccines has all but eliminated polio in the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in the United States. By 1965, there were 61. Between 1980 and 1990, cases averaged 8 per year, and most of those were induced by vaccination! There has not been a single case of polio caused by the wild virus since 1979, with a rare case reported each year from persons coming into the country carrying the virus. In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.
http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEC/CC/polio.html

So, we go from 2,525 sick people before the vaccine to just 8 a year—and those 8 got sick because of the shot itself.
Give me a break. Vaccines don't protect anyone. The vaccinated get sick more often than the unvaccinated.

Vaccination is basically raping nature.

Arsene, you are a straight-up insult to human intelligence.

Can we please stop attacking the guy? Look, he said something controversial, sure, but if you actually disagree, try debunking his points with some real logic instead of just insults. And honestly, regarding the idea that the medical establishment might be making some questionable calls? That’s not exactly a hard leap to make.

Where I differ from Jamie Rivera78:
- Diseases spread through epidemics because of microorganisms, not just "poor living conditions." Sure, being well-rested and eating well helps, but if you come into contact with a virus or bacteria your immune system hasn't seen before, you're going to get sick regardless of how many salads you ate this week. It's about exposure, not just nutrition.
- From a statistical standpoint, there's no guarantee that everyone's quality of life will improve enough to boost immunity across the board. You can't just rely on lifestyle improvements to wipe out a disease, even if those factors play a role.

Where I agree that vaccination is a complex issue:
- Different countries follow different immunization schedules. For instance, the childhood vaccine cocktails used in Germany versus what we see here in the United States vary, and it's difficult to wrap your head around why—especially since people travel so much these days.
- Medicine is an industry. It's perfectly reasonable to wonder if certain vaccines are being pushed for diseases that have already been effectively eradicated.

All things considered, I still think getting vaccinated is generally the better path, but it really should be a personal choice—much like deciding whether or not to get your annual flu shot.

Brandon Castillo4 said:Jamie Rivera78—man, you see a conspiracy theory in everything. You make it sound like medicine is just totally useless. Isn't that a bit much? 🙄

A vaccine for arsenic poisoning!!! 😁

Justin Fox said:Give the guy a break. Yeah, he said something controversial, but if you actually disagree, then prove him wrong with some actual facts.

The whole history of the polio vaccine proves it worked—it practically wiped out the disease across the Americas. Back in 1960, the United States saw 2,525 cases of paralytic polio. Fast forward to 1965, and that number plummeted to just 61. From 1980 to 1990, we were looking at an average of only 8 cases a year, and even those were mostly vaccine-related! We haven't seen a single case of polio from the wild virus since 1979, aside from the occasional imported case from someone traveling into the country. By 1994, polio was officially declared eradicated throughout the Americas.

Fine, I did. 🙄

Microorganisms (bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites) DO NOT CAUSE DISEASE.

So you think this controversial claim 😬needs to be systematically dismantled with logic?

Kimberly Davis52 said:So, you think this controversial claim needs to be thoroughly debunked with logic and facts? 😬

Of course not. You just have to take his word for it because he's the expert.🥳😬

Olivia Clark22 said:All I know is that once I have kids, there is zero chance I'm letting them get vaccinated. Or letting anyone shove amalgam into their teeth or push fluoride treatments on them. They won't be chewing Orbit (ASPARTAME) or sprinkling Vegeta in their soup (Monosodium glutamate).

And just how many actual scientific papers or articles have you read on this? I mean real ones—not stuff written by lobbyists for some massive corporation, but by experts who base their work on decades of clinical experience (especially regarding amalgam). Because honestly, based on what you wrote, you sound like a college freshman who spent two months in a chemistry lab and now thinks they’re an expert on how these substances affect the body.

Edward Sanchez72 said:And how many actual articles or scientific papers on this topic have you even read? And I’m not talking about lobbyists for some random corporation, but real experts who write based on decades of hands-on experience (like in the case of dental amalgam). Because honestly, everything you wrote sounds like some college student who spent two months studying chemistry and now thinks they’re an expert on how these substances affect the body.

I’d bet I’ve read more than you have. But whatever. I have every right to refuse to let someone shove their nonsense down my throat (and not just about mercury—you could argue about dental issues for hours, but that’s not the point here).

www.amalgam.org

www.algonet.se

www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam/

I’m not some chemistry undergrad.

But go ahead. Prove to me that mercury isn't toxic (or the aluminum found in other types of fillings) to the human body. If you can do that, then fine, I'll admit I was wrong. I'll admit I was stupid. I'll apologize. I won't say another word...

Justin Fox or Jamie Rivera78... wait, who even is it now? I can't keep track. Anyway, whoever said that bacteria and viruses aren't the actual cause of illness is spot on. And you know why? Because the real culprit is that people have such weak immune systems in the first place! That's why they get hit by viruses, bacteria, whatever else is out there. But look, talking about immunity is a massive, complicated rabbit hole... 🙂
..don't you ever stop to think about how, for example, you might get sick while everyone else around you stays perfectly fine, even though you're all living in the exact same environment under the same conditions?? 🙂

Leonard Nimoy said:Jamie Rivera78, you’re looking at everything through the lens of some grand conspiracy theory. It makes it seem like modern medicine is just completely useless. Aren't you being a bit dramatic? 🙄

If a doctor prescribes an antibiotic for an infection—say, bronchitis—and it doesn't work, they just move on to a different one, essentially telling you to "give this one a shot and see if it sticks." In that specific light, sure, medicine looks like a total failure.
It will be a completely different conversation once medical science reaches the point where we can actually pinpoint the root cause of a problem and prescribe a targeted treatment instead of just guessing.