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mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
58 messages
joined Nov 2007
#61 ·
"Sandra Hayes88, you're ruining my thread... please change your tone, or just move on."

Sandra Hayes88, there's no logic or actual argument to be found when you try to change someone's "opinion" that wasn't built on logic or arguments to begin with... honestly, don't bother trying to convince them anymore; people's mindsets shift eventually, and it's only a matter of time before everyone is cheering your side. 🙂 :clapping:

"My arguments come from someone who knows a bit more about nutrition than what you'll find in some random pamphlet."

Great, could you introduce me to him? 😎
Well, I suppose I should introduce him via my old professor. 🙂 👍

http://www.mbcrc.med.ucla.edu/MemberBios/MmbrHeber.htm

"For instance, if you eat fish, you don't need omega-3 capsules, because omega-3 fatty acids are a natural component of North Sea fish."

A quick correction to that inaccurate claim:
If you're eating oily fish 2-3 times a week (not just on Fridays), then omega-3 supplements aren't strictly necessary... but does anyone actually eat that much fish? Maybe you do.
"The main sources of Omega-3 are certain marine fish and seafood that aren't used frequently in the diet. The reasons lie in the higher cost of quality fish, the demanding preparation required, and the fact that many people simply prefer the taste of meat or cheese. To supply your body with enough Omega-3, you have to eat fatty fish or seafood at least three times a week. In Japan, every mother and pregnant woman takes Omega-3."

(For those who eat fish once a week, or not at all, or for those who don't have the time to prep fish, the solution is an Omega-3 supplement in the form of a simple, easy-to-swallow capsule.)

"You get your vitamins and minerals from fruits and vegetables. You get fiber from fruits, veggies, and whole grains too. Honestly, who are you trying to sell this to? Anyone truly looking out for their health can do it without magic potions. I stay healthy without any supplements, even though I have a predisposition for psoriasis. I had a flare-up on my elbow last year—probably from stress—but it's gone now. And I don't rely on 'natural' remedies. Sometimes I go out for drinks, and chocolate is my favorite food."

stress > vitamin and mineral deficiency > psoriasis
Relying solely on the vitamins and minerals found in produce is only one side of the coin; it's been proven that today's produce has 50-80% fewer vitamins than it did 10-20 years ago... and just last night, a neighbor mentioned she ate a disgusting orange that had absolutely no flavor or scent, which seems to be becoming the norm lately... why is that?
It's because our food has become incredibly depleted due to forced ripening, picking produce before it's ready, pollution from herbicides and synthetic fertilizers, and long-distance shipping requiring additives. 😢

"Plant supplements! Who makes them? Under what conditions? How do you know the ingredients match the label—if there even is a label? Or are they being packed by workers in a dirty warehouse somewhere?"

Why does that even matter to you? It's like asking how pâté is made... haha... have you ever actually stepped foot inside a brewery? Hehe... if only you knew everything that actually goes into what you eat and drink. 🙂
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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joined Sep 2006
#62 ·
Hannah Davis18 said:Fish oil and multivitamins are just herbal supplements to you, 😲

That’s basically how we categorize everything here that isn't an actual prescription drug—herbal supplements.
Anyway, it's your call. If you want to stay sick, be my guest. Your problem.👋
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#63 ·
Hannah Davis18 said:fish oil and multivitamins count as dietary supplements to you, I guess...😲

Well, if you ask me—and I think Gregory Turner71 would agree—there’s always that wonderful little button labeled "ignore." Honestly, it’s the best way to trim down a thread to a reasonable length!
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
93 messages
joined Sep 2006
#64 ·
"Dietary supplements! Who even makes them? Under what conditions? How do you actually know the ingredients match the label—if they even bother? Or is it just some random crew in a dirty warehouse packing them on a filthy floor???"


No, seriously, imagine that. There are actually regulations for this stuff. 😁
It says:
THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS NO: ARTIFICIAL PRESERVATIVES, COLOUR, MILK, SOYA, CORN, WHEAT
OR YEAST.

EACH CAPLET CONTAINS:
VITAMIN A......8,000 I.U.
BETA CAROTENE......2,000 I.U.
VITAMIN D3........400 I.U.
.
.
.

CALCIUM (TRI-CALCIUM PHOSPHATE)....125 mg
MAGNESIUM (MAGNESIUM OXIDE)...50mg.
.
.
And so on.

Richmond, VA
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
93 messages
joined Sep 2006
#65 ·
I’m convinced everyone over at the UCLA (UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES) medical department is just a bunch of charlatans.
A lot of people here in Canada get it, but apparently, it hasn't clicked in America yet.
Still, I guess I find the reactions fascinating.
Not that I'm surprised—people always react this way to new ideas.
🙂
You tell them something actually good, some new way of thinking, and they just spit on you. 🙂

closed container law 😁
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
93 messages
joined Sep 2006
#66 ·
Gregory Turner71 said:But I don't buy it... you're acting just like those cultists ringing doorbells in the suburbs.🙄

Sandra Hayes88, you're ruining my thread... please, tone it down, or just get out of here.


In case you haven't noticed:
There's four of us now: mistybear4, Krisi, J-C, and myself, all talking about the exact same thing.
Good grief, just because you've never heard of something doesn't mean it's nonsense.?!?!?!?


Change my tone?
What kind of tone do you want?
A wise old owl?
"There is no cure for psoriasis, you're all doomed."

Is that better?

😉
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#67 ·
nimbledriver81 said:I don't know, maybe Gregory Turner71 should just hit that "ignore" button. It's an easy way to make the thread actually readable again.

Honestly, I’m thinking they should just fly across the Atlantic and forget which language she was even speaking.
just block them both.
Frank Alvarez8 Frank Alvarez8 Member
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joined Jun 2005
#68 ·
Sandra Hayes88 said:No, seriously, just imagine—there actually are regulations for that.😁

Honestly, please enlighten me.

mistybear4 said:Is that like asking how pâté is made? Haha... ever stepped foot inside a brewery? Once you see what goes into everything you eat and drink, you'll understand.

Think about a factory making pâté, deli meats, canned fish, fruit preserves... I could go on forever.

Have you ever actually walked into a facility that produces "dietary supplements"? Just because a label says Ontario, CA doesn't mean there's a factory there, let alone any raw materials being processed. They buy their stuff from cheap suppliers overseas who wouldn't pass a single FDA inspection.
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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joined Sep 2006
#69 ·
Sarah Gomez52 said:Seriously, enlighten me here.

In some factory churning out canned meat, deli slices, fish tins, fruit preserves... I could go on forever...

And have you ever actually stepped foot inside one of those "dietary supplement" facilities? Just because a label says Ontario, CA, doesn't mean there's an actual plant there—let alone any raw materials being processed. They just buy everything from cheap suppliers overseas who wouldn't pass a single basic inspection.

"The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act came into force on January 1. The FDA enforces them, which is a component of the FDA.

The new regulations address five key areas: product licensing, site licensing, good manufacturing practices, labeling and packaging provisions, and adverse reaction reporting. Dietary supplements will have to be proven to be safe and effective. Although this is similar to the current drug system, FDA regulatory standards will be lower. Many dietary supplements will be able to simply rely on standardized FDA monographs rather than have to conduct clinical trials. Further, licenses will be given for vitamins, minerals, homeopathic preparations, and botanicals if they have a long history of safe use. Dietary supplements regulatory benefits include things like the ability to make health claims, but with a less costly and lengthy approval process. "
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
58 messages
joined Nov 2007
#70 ·
"I’ve got a gut feeling those folks over at the UCLA (University of California, Los Angeles) medical department are nothing more than a bunch of charlatans.
A lot of people here in Canada are already clued in on this, but it seems like people in America still haven't caught on yet.
Still, I find the reactions pretty fascinating to watch.
Then again, I shouldn't be surprised; people always tend to recoil when they're faced with a fresh perspective. 🙂
You try to offer them something beneficial, some new way of looking at things, and they just spit in your face." 🙂

Sandra Hayes88, why bother moving? Around here in America, everyone thinks they know everything—people usually know what their neighbor is having for lunch better than they know themselves... 😁

UCLA might be one of the most famous and prestigious universities in the world, but you still have to verify that, right? You need actual proof. 🙂

"They head across the Atlantic and suddenly forget their own mother tongue."

You don't really have to leave the country to hear something intelligent, though I suppose for some people, it's the only chance they get. 😁

"...they're buying them from cheap suppliers in India who couldn't pass a single regulatory inspection if their lives depended on it."

I guess those guys have their own version of hygiene inspectors, haha—just checking to see how often anyone washes their hands. 😂
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
93 messages
joined Sep 2006
#71 ·
From what I've heard from two different vegetarians, you can't even mention you don't eat meat here without people giving you those weird looks, like you're part of some fringe cult. 😉
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
58 messages
joined Nov 2007
#72 ·
Sandra Hayes88 said:From what I've heard from a couple of vegetarian friends, you can barely mention you don't eat meat here without people giving you those weird looks, like you're part of some fringe cult.😉

It’s funny how many vegetarian diets end up being loaded with just as much fat—specifically that heavy ratio of saturated to polyunsaturated fats—as any standard diet that includes meat. Honestly, trying to put together a truly balanced vegetarian meal plan that actually supports long-term health feels like an uphill battle.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#73 ·
I’d really appreciate it if one of the moderators could step in here to handle all this off-topic chatter and random side conversations 🙄
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
93 messages
joined Sep 2006
#74 ·
Gregory Turner71 said:I’d appreciate it if a moderator could step in and handle all this off-topic chatter. 🙄

Sorry, but this actually stays on topic.
If you start a thread about psoriasis, I guess it’s a bit weird to act shocked when people offer advice related to it.
I mean, wasn't the whole point of opening the thread to learn something you didn't already know?

I was just commenting on how people react to advice that doesn't fit their specific dogma regarding psoriasis.😢
Why all the intense reactions?

Maybe you should have just clarified that you only want to discuss pharmaceutical treatments—that you already know EVERYTHING and aren't interested in learning anything new? 😕
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#75 ·
Gregory Turner71 said:I’d really appreciate it if one of the moderators could step in here—this off-topic chatter is getting a bit out of hand! 🙄

Honestly? Just tune them out. 😉 If you don't engage, the whole thread actually stays useful.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#76 ·
nimbledriver81 said:Just ignore them. 😉 That’s the only way the thread stays focused.

That’s exactly what I’m doing... though, I suppose I could have bragged about having a thread that spans a hundred pages.😁
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#77 ·
So... from what I can gather—if I’m reading you correctly—you mentioned that you finally managed to shake off that whole ordeal, right?
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#78 ·
Gregory Turner71 said:So... from what I gather, you're saying you've finally managed to shake off that whole recurring issue, right?

I honestly can't say for sure—it might decide to make a comeback—but I don't think it'll be anything catastrophic this time! After all, I seem to have enough solid DNA in my system to just shut down any potential issues before they even start. Or, well, perhaps it's just my lifestyle catching up with me... who knows? 😉
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
313 messages
joined Dec 2010
#79 ·
nimbledover81 said:I honestly can't say for sure. Maybe it’ll resurface down the road... but I don't think it'll turn into anything catastrophic—it seems like my healthy genes might be strong enough to keep the disease from actually developing. Or perhaps it's just tied to my lifestyle. 😉

What kind of lifestyle are we talking about here?
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#80 ·
Gregory Turner71 said:What kind of lifestyle are we even talking about here?

Well—let me break it down for you! I don't touch meat, I steer clear of anything overly salty, sour, or spicy, and I make sure to get my exercise in every single day—it’s practically a ritual at this point! I actually quit smoking (though, if I'm being totally honest, I did end up picking it back up again 🙄 ), I've swapped out coffee entirely for plenty of tea, and as for alcohol... well, just the occasional drink now and then...

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