Nirvana - With the Lights Out box set

Keith Barnes53 said:I have to disagree there. I think you might be off base on this one.😎

If you want to list all the modern indie bands that owe a debt to Nirvana, then maybe I could try listing a few contemporary acts that were shaped by Slint and Fugazi.

hollowseal33 said:fugazi, slint...

Whoa, you're reaching a bit here... Look, I might absolutely love Fugazi—honestly, they're way ahead of Nirvana for me personally, and tons of bands I dig cite them as an influence rather than Nirvana—but we aren't living in some tiny underground indie bubble. And let's be real, this isn't even an indie-only forum.😢

I suspect a few people jumping into this thread haven't even heard of Fugazi, whereas everyone knows Nirvana. If we’re being fair, you could argue Fugazi has more musical weight, but Nirvana's overall impact is undeniable. They completely flipped the mainstream on its head, something neither Fugazi nor Slint (good luck finding them!) can touch.🙂

Black Knights said:If I actually felt like typing, this is basically what I’d say! 👍 Way to go, you 25 percenter. 😁 🙏

Hey, I'm not asking you to agree with me. Why are YOU agreeing with me? 🙂 😁

I would never dream of questioning whether Nirvana was influential. If they paved the way for indie music to hit the mainstream—absolutely, and I'll give them full credit for that. That alone makes them the most significant band of the 90s in my eyes.
On the other hand, you have bands like Slint and Fugazi, who were definitely influential by shaping the sound of countless other groups. It just means we need to be specific about what we mean when we say "influential." Are we talking about a formula that other bands adopted and eventually tweaked for their own era, or are we talking about being a true trailblazer for the masses?
By the way, besides Q and Not, I can't actually think of any specific bands that Fugazi influenced, even though they are absolute legends... 😲

with the lights out said:With some little piglet that’s supposed to be trendy...😁

What kind of trend are we even talking about...🙄

cody said:They paved the way for indie music to hit the mainstream... basically acted as the gateway for the masses.

That’s exactly what I meant by "general influence"... 😁I just don't know how to put it into words properly, you know? 😵

I see the mods are busy cleaning house, so I’ll just drop it here: you can actually snag Courtney Love for $150.

Anthony Reyes5 said:I see the moderators are busy cleaning house, so I might as well weigh in before things get too crazy. $150 Can we just get Courtney Love?

You could probably score a mosh pit for free if you were Andy Kaufman.😁

Maybe we should all just take a second to remember what I actually put down on the first page:

driftingeagle27 said:Nirvana was quite simply the most important band on the planet at the start of the nineties—and I mean important in that sense that includes their massive commercial dominance.

That one line pretty much sums up my whole stance on how influential Nirvana really was.

As for Nicholas Perez33 bringing up Fugazi and Slint, it honestly feels like nothing more than blatant name-dropping in this context. Look, I get it, your whole argument is basically that Nirvana musically speaking didn't have much of an impact on other "quality" bands. Fine, that’s a somewhat defensible take if you want to be pedantic. But then you just drop Fugazi out of nowhere. Sure, we can debate different kinds of influence, but musically? Who did Fugazi actually influence directly? Just dropping names to try and impress me? It’s not going to work, and honestly, you already impressed me enough with those http://hralttrash.tk reviews.

Do you guys need me to draw it out for you?

Ready?

Sure?

Here it is:
Nirvana is a massively influential band because they shifted the entire world more than any group since The Beatles, and frankly, no band since Nirvana has ever pulled off anything even remotely close to it, and who knows if they ever will.

Trying to downplay Nirvana? Go ahead, be my guest, if that's what you really want to do. Just know there's a price for that: at best, you're just going to look ridiculous.

driftingeagle27 said:Maybe we should all take a nice little moment to remember what I actually wrote? Right back on page one:

If you want to understand my whole stance on how much Nirvana actually mattered, just look at that sentence.

Do you want me to draw it out for you?

Ready?

Sure?

Here:
Nirvana is such an influential band because they changed the world more than any group before them and after The Beatles. And, for the record, no band since Nirvana has managed to pull off anything even remotely close, and who knows if anyone ever will.

Underestimate Nirvana? Fine, go ahead, knock yourselves out if that's what you need. But there’s a price for that: at best, you’re just going to look ridiculous.

👍

I honestly just wasn't feeling up to typing much more...

driftingeagle27 said:I honestly believe Nirvana was such an incredibly influential band because they shifted the entire cultural landscape more than any other group since The Beatles. And, if you ask me, no band since Nirvana has managed to pull off something quite that monumental—and I really wonder if we'll ever see anything like it happen again.

I totally agree that Nirvana definitely left a much bigger mark on the mainstream consciousness and the history books of rock in general. It’s just a fact that your average Joe knows exactly who Nirvana is, whereas hardly anyone has even heard of Slint. Plus, Nirvana managed to put out two truly incredible albums—though I guess I don't personally consider Bleach to be all that great—while Slint only ever released one. I have to tip my hat to them for that!
Actually, I think I was heading in a slightly different direction with my point. I was really thinking about the sheer influence certain bands have on everyone else that follows them. You know that famous quote—I believe it was Brian Eno?—about the Velvet Underground? The idea that they didn't sell a ton of records, but every single person who actually bought one ended up starting their own band. That kind of impact is just incredible, isn't it?

I honestly wonder... if Slint hadn't existed, would we even have that massive 95% of bands today that everyone just lumps together under labels like post-rock or slowcore? It's a real question!

I guess the same logic applies to Fugazi and that entire Dischord scene—it makes you wonder if there wouldn't be a million other post-hardcore or emo-core bands out there today if they hadn't existed. It feels like they really shaped everything.

That’s exactly what I was getting at—I mean, I really felt like I had you guys right where I wanted you! 🙂

I honestly can't stand it when people drone on about how Nirvana changed the world and try to put them in the same breath as The Beatles. Give me a break, seriously...

But hey, no point in getting worked up over it now!

My take on the CD? Look, it isn't perfect, but I have to admit—it absolutely rocks.

However, there is zero chance I'm buying it until the price drops down to at least $30$117, because right now, this asking price is total garbage.

In Germany, you can grab it for about $80 (which is basically what I could spend on 7 or 8 Nirvana CDs), but here in Chicago$233, they can honestly just go jump in a lake...

Musically speaking, one cannot claim that Nirvana exerted a truly revolutionary influence.
If they left a legacy—certainly, they did—it was merely a collection of deeply personal perspectives.
From a phenomenological standpoint, Nirvana simply picked up where Surfer Rosa left off
and scaled up the Pixies' approach to massive proportions. They effectively ushered indie into the mainstream. The Pixies had this way of blending their
punk/garage/whatever vibe with pop structures in an absolutely irresistible manner,
and Nirvana followed that exact blueprint; one really can't argue they invented something entirely novel. It all comes down to the fact
that MTV—or the music industry, the mainstream, whatever label you prefer to apply—
simply wasn't ready for Surfer Rosa back in 1988. By 1991, however, they were prepared
for Nevermind. That is the extent of it. There is no damn cosmic grandeur
to be found in Nirvana. The executives at Geffen, Universal, and Warner just sat down at the table
and decided, quite simply, that MC Hammer no longer had a place on MTV.
Eventually, the people in those same positions decided it was time for Fatboy Slim
to hand the reins over to Franz Ferdinand.
It is nothing more than numbers, my dear friends...

Chicago Blackhawks said:what a jerk

😂 😂 😂 😂 🙂

Hey Nicholas Perez33, has anyone ever actually called you by that name before?🙂 🙂

Look, it’s not that I’m being sensitive, but that insult was just too absurd to actually be sanctioned. 😁 Keith Barnes53 had his profanity scrubbed, and apparently, if he has even one more minor slip-up, he’s getting a Bananka.

np Ramones - Chop Suey

Kevin Chavez3 said:Look, I'm not saying you're totally losing it.

But come on... admit it! *wink wink* 🙂

🥳

Brian Foster2 said:It’s about 85 bucks over in Germany.

That’s not right. $60?

Keith Barnes53 said:Actually, you're off by a bit... it's $60.

I saw it listed for $79.99 at WOM back in St. Louis.

Naturally, I passed on that deal! Why bother? I figured I’d just grab a jersey from Hleb instead. In the end, though, I went big and picked up the most expensive one from Soldo and grabbed the the.Ramainz.live.in.new.york CD. For that same amount of cash, I even managed to snag the whole album for free through my university portal, including the
DVDrip
.
I definitely didn't want to hand that kind of money over to those Krtna Luv creeps just to fund their habit... honestly, they can take it and shove it!

p.s. I ended up coming out $10 ahead... yay ME!
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Brian Foster2 said:I saw it for $79.99 at WOM (over in Stuttgart)

So naturally, I passed on it. I figured I’d just grab a jersey from Bread instead. In the end, I went big and bought the most expensive one from Soldo and picked up the the.Ramainz.live.in.new.york CD. For that price, I even got the album downloaded for free through my university portal, including the DVDrip.

Better than throwing cash away on junk from Krtna Luv... I could just drink it all instead.

p.s. I saved $10... yay me!

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My old man picked it up in Nuremberg for exactly $60.