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Sarah Long said:So here's the deal. My guy goes in, gets his blood drawn... they find some tiny little bacteria in his urine or whatever. And then the doctor—get this—actually asks if he’s been chugging a ton of Kraft. He’s like, "Yeah, I downed a liter just now," and she’s just like, "Well, there's your problem." Like, maybe stick to two cases a day, huh?

Man, that doctor is something else... just eyeballing the cause of an infection like it's nothing. 👍

But then again, she clearly hasn't a clue why Kraft would even trigger bacterial growth—she just leans on that whole "we know it's proven" thing.

Usually, when people claim things are "proven," it's because someone (in this case, a doctor) skimmed a summary in some medical journal about a study. If they actually bothered to track down the original paper, they might actually find something explaining the actual mechanism of how Kraft affects the urinary tract... 😁

Then, you know, they might actually be able to explain what's going on to patients—who, by the way, actually have a right to know what's happening to them.

rustymoose54 said:That doctor seems pretty competent if she can ballpark the cause of an infection like that.👍

Yet, on the flip side, she apparently has no idea why Kraft affects bacterial growth—she just claims it’s "proven."

Usually, when we say something is "proven," it's because someone (in this case, a physician) has read a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal reporting those findings. If one were to track down the original paper, it would almost certainly elaborate on the specific mechanism by which Kraft impacts the urinary tract.😁

Only then would they be equipped to actually explain the situation to patients, who, after all, have a right to be informed.

Look, I wasn't there, and my husband didn't seem particularly interested in digging deeper; he might not even have asked his wife for a full explanation. From what I gathered, her advice regarding Kraft was based on clinical experience. Perhaps she read up on it, perhaps not—I can't say for sure. I started this thread hoping someone might have some actual insight. If nobody does, I’ll leave it up to people to decide whether they want to drink gallons of Kraft or not. Personally, I've just scaled back my intake to be safe; it's not like I'm going to drop dead without my Kraft, right?👋

Update: My brother mentions that she didn't say she didn't know the reason; rather, she said something about the vitamin content. He has a wonderful memory for details, doesn't he?😂 🙂

Sarah Long said:Look, I wasn't actually there, and honestly, I didn't really care what he had to say—maybe he just didn't even ask his wife to explain things to him. From what I could gather, she was just giving him advice about Kraft based on her own experience... or maybe she was just reading something somewhere, who knows. I only started this thread hoping someone actually had some answers. If nobody does, then fine—it's up to everyone else if they want to chug gallons of Kraft or not. Personally, I've cut back a bit just to be safe, though it's not like I'm gonna drop dead without my Kraft fix, right? 👋

But seriously, it’s kind of a problem when someone claims a product is bad for you but hasn't got a single clue why... yet they still feel the need to warn everyone, God forbid...

In some places, they actually call that libel.

Honestly, I’m just as confused as you are. Usually, a little citric acid does the trick when it comes to flushing out bacteria from the bladder...

That Kraft stuff—just some neon orange powder... God knows what else is
in there. 😲
Chugging massive amounts of Kraft definitely isn't as
healthy or safe as just grabbing a glass of fresh-squeezed orange juice.

silvermason16 said:natural orange juice

Yeah, totally—because we all know that store-bought "natural" orange juice is definitely free from preservatives and artificial flavors, and that homemade stuff is made from organic oranges that have never even been near a pesticide or a radioactive source in their entire lives...

man, some people are just so incredibly naive!

biserko😁 , don't assume I was born yesterday😉

so, what’s actually better for me—healthier or whatever else? Making a Nestlé
or just squeezing an orange (from a farmer's market, obviously, not from my own
garden😉 )
I need some expert advice here🙂

silvermason16 said:biserko 😁 , don't act like I wasn't born yesterday 😉

so what’s actually better, healthier, whatever... making some Nestlé powder or
just squeezing an orange (from a farmer's market, obviously, not from my own
garden 😉 )
I need some actual expert advice here 🙂

it's a wash...

Nestlé has pretty strict controls on what goes into their stuff...

on the other hand, if you drink real orange juice, you're getting some fiber, which helps with digestion and all that.

personally, I'm convinced "healthy food" basically doesn't exist anymore. but Nestlé isn't gonna kill you any more than an orange is gonna make you live to be 157...

Hm, yes 🙄
I’ve started reading labels on everything I buy.
If I spot E330 or something like E124, I’m not touching it.

Rachel Brooks63, could you explain what "modified starch" actually is when it shows up in things
like chocolate pudding or other snacks?
The word "modified" just makes me feel uneasy.👎

E330 is just citric acid—honestly, there's enough of it in a single lemon to drive anyone crazy. Maybe do a little digging before you decide to boycott something based on just one ingredient... I have no clue what E124 is, but if you're really curious, you can look it up on some actual reputable sites (and I don't mean those "green living" blogs full of paranoid conspiracy theorists!)

As for that modified starch? No clue at all, so I'm probably not being much help here...

I found the data in a report from the pediatric clinic.
Oncology in Chicago.
So, it says here that E330 is carcinogenic, yet E123 is actually banned.
In the USA, etc.

silvermason16 said:I found all this info in a report from a pediatric
oncology clinic over in Chicago.
Basically, it claims E330 is carcinogenic, while stuff like E124 is banned
in the USA, and so on...

Look, E330 is just citric acid, and it is NOT a carcinogen. Period.

Citric acid is actually already inside your body—it’s part of the Krebs cycle... 😈

Where can I find reliable data regarding the toxicity of specific
additives in food products?

I just double-checked whether E330 was actually listed as a
carcinogen in that report from the Chicago clinic.

Hana said:Excessive consumption of Nestlé...

I am truly moved...😍 After just four drinks, my heart starts racing uncontrollably... and the headaches are absolutely brutal...

silvermason16 said:where can I actually find reliable data on how harmful specific
additives in food products really are?

I was double-checking again—because apparently, I have nothing better to do—to see if they really listed E330 as
a carcinogen in that report from the Chicago clinic...

I mean, idk, maybe try asking someone over at Cornell University?

Look, if you've actually gone back and checked that report again, and those people are still out there claiming citric acid is a cancer risk... then that whole report is just straight-up fake news. Period.

ok, 👋

hana said:It went like this. My brother got his blood drawn. They found some tiny bacteria in his urine. Then the doctor asked if he happened to drink a ton of Nestlé. He said yeah (he downed a liter just like that) and she was just like, "Well, there's your problem." Max two glasses...

:klap: 😁

Either the woman is totally clueless, or she doesn't have the best opinion of your brother 😁 nothing personal
Better if he goes to a different clinic next time 👍

Nestlé says you shouldn't be drinking more than 5 glasses a day.

hana said:Drinking way too much Nestlé can actually lead to bacteria showing up in your urine sometimes. They suggest sticking to just one, maybe two cans a day max.
Are you kidding me? It tastes so good, though. 😁

Btw, if anyone actually knows why this happens, let me know? My doctor—one of those ones you go to for bloodwork...—told me she doesn't know the exact science behind it, just that it's been proven. Hm.

If I were you, I’d grab that doctor's office number (or have your brother give her a quick call personally) and just ring her up. Ask her to explain what's actually going on here. Come on, will you call her? Please?? Pretty please?!! 😍
Let us know!!! 👋

Quoting
"I found this data in a report from the pediatric
oncology clinic in Chicago.
It basically says E330 is carcinogenic, while something like E123 is banned
in the USA, and so on."

It’s scary how easily people can be manipulated.
That "famous" report from that clinic—or whoever actually wrote it—is nothing but a total internet hoax.
Even the CDC had to put out a response to debunk it because someone did such a convincing job spreading the lie. But honestly, once people believe something, there's no stopping them...