#361 ·
Terry Carter2 said:Just a reminder!
Are you being serious right now? Honestly—look around. Everyone is losing their minds over the championship, no matter how much you try to stay composed... just let it go.🤷
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Terry Carter2 said:Just a reminder!
Terry Carter2 said:Just a reminder!
Ethan Jones5 said:I think it’s time to start working on a Plan B...
It looks like the regulars around here have zero interest in voting. Honestly, you've only got three real choices left: open this up to everyone who actually cares, scrap the Survey and just run the championship yourself, or just call the whole thing off. Those are pretty much your only options at this point, unfortunately.🤷
The Survey has been live for two weeks now and basically only Sep is participating. This whole thing is becoming pointless..
Sean Smith5 said:Here’s my reasoning for voting this way... Terry Carter2 has been doing a solid job leading the championship so far, providing results both quickly and accurately. As for the rules, I feel they've successfully navigated plenty of crises 😁 and we've spent far too much effort refining them to just toss them aside now. Plus, I really don't feel like memorizing a whole new set of 😬..
1. The Formula 1 Championship is a competition featuring an unlimited number of participants, both individuals and teams, which remain open throughout the entire season.
- To be considered a member of a team, a player must post a formal declaration stating which team they are representing.
- Joining an existing team is not permitted without the consent of at least one returning member from that team's previous season.
- Competition is conducted in pairs, with individual and team standings calculated separately.
- Players who do not join a team do not participate in the team portion of the championship.
- A participant is defined as a competitor who registers for the championship and submits their prediction within the designated timeframe.
Official results and standings are published by the Commissioner, and the moderator will post them on the first page of this thread, at which point they are considered final.
Competitors must submit their predictions, registrations, and other entries exclusively within this specific thread; any entries made in other threads will be deemed invalid.
1. The Championship is a sub-forum game involving predictions for Formula 1 race results. The number of participants is unlimited, and access is open to all interested forum members. Participation begins upon the submission of a prediction for a specific F1 season and concludes at the end of that F1 season or upon an explicit statement from the participant regarding their withdrawal.
2. The Championship is an individual pursuit, though it can function as a team game if two or more participants declare their intention to compete as a team within the main thread. Team participation commences upon the announcement of the partnership and ends when either player leaves the team or exits the competition. Team points are calculated by summing the individual championship points earned by team members during their period of joint participation. Should a member leave a team, their accumulated championship points remain with the team. Regarding team names, priority is given to the participant who first registers the name. If a name was used in previous championships, priority belongs to the player who has maintained uninterrupted membership with that team name for the longest duration.
3. Participants may only compete using one forum identity at any given time. Consequently, it is prohibited to have valid predictions active under more than one identity simultaneously.
4. The Championship is played by having the competitor post their predicted order of all drivers on the grid within the designated deadline, along with two additional picks: the pole position winner and the driver who achieves the fastest lap. Competitors may post their predictions immediately after the previous deadline closes, and no later than (Saturday at 3:00 AM, during the weekend leading up to the next race. The scheduled start time for the three free practice sessions has been set.That deadline applies to every single race throughout the season. Competitors are free to tweak their existing predictions or submit entirely new ones as many times as they like, provided they get everything finalized before that cutoff hits.
The scoring system is structured as follows:
The primary points for each race are distributed according to the current F1 scoring system: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1. These are awarded to the top ten finishers who have accumulated the highest number of secondary points during the race.
The points system used for awarding standings at every race follows this structure:
Groups 1 through 3 – 5 points plus 1 extra.
Group 4-10 – 3 points + 1 bonus
Group 11-16 – 2 points + 2
Group 17-24 – 1 point + 2
DNF Group – 3 points + 1 bonus
DNQ Group - 3 points
Pole position and fastest lap—that’s an extra four points plus two more.
Points are distributed according to the specific categories outlined in Section 3 of the Rulebook. Regarding additional points awarded for correct placements, these are divided into two distinct groups:
Group 1: 1st–3rd, 4th–10th, and DNF – 1 point awarded for each finishing position.
Group 2: 11-16, 17-24, PP+FL – 2 points awarded for pole position.
Regarding the extra points (2 total) for the PP+FL group: these are only awarded if a participant correctly identifies both drivers within that group. In the standings, this will be recorded as one point per driver, effectively granting one correct finishing position for each, totaling two points for the group. As for the DNF group, an extra point is awarded based on the specific order of retirements as officially released by the FIA. To claim this, a participant would need to list the drivers in reverse order—for example, the first driver to drop out should be listed last in their prediction, and so on.
The criteria for determining the race rankings are as follows:
Is it not more logical to conclude that the superior driver is the one who manages to accumulate a higher number of secondary points?
In the event that we end up with a tie following step A, the deciding factor should be the player who secured more pole position trophies.
In the event that we see a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be the player who secured a higher number of additional points.
In the event that we see a tie following step C, the tiebreaker will be determined by the player who holds the higher cumulative point total from all successfully predicted pole positions within their respective groups.
In the event of a tie following step D, the deciding factor should be the player who secured more victories within the higher-stakes groups.
f) In the event of a tie following step e), the tiebreaker will favor the driver with the lower sum when calculating the differences between their actual finishing position and their predicted position in the overall standings. Should this occur, all drivers will be evaluated based on the official order established by the FIA and the competitors.
In the event of a tie following step f), the advantage goes to the player who submitted their updated Joker prediction first. If neither party has submitted a new prediction, the edge goes to whoever turned in their original one earliest. Furthermore, should one player fail to submit an updated prediction entirely, their opponent is automatically deemed the winner.
The criteria used to determine the final individual standings are as follows:
Is it even worth debating? A driver who racks up more main championship points is clearly the superior competitor.
In the event that we end up with a tie following the first criteria, wouldn't it be more logical to favor the driver with the higher number of wins?
In the event that we end up with a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be the driver who holds the higher number of tie-breaking points.
d) In the event of a tie following step c), the deciding factor should be the competitor who holds the advantage in their head-to-head matchup.
In the event that we end up with a tie following step D, the deciding factor would be the driver with the higher number of other finishes—specifically, more second-place results, third-place results, and so on.
The criteria used to determine the final standings for the team championship are as follows:
Is it not more logical to conclude that the superior team is simply the one that secures a higher number of primary points?
In the event that we end up with a tie following the first scenario, wouldn't it make more sense to favor the team with the higher number of wins?
In the event that we end up with a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be whichever team holds the higher number of tie-breaker points.
d) In the event that we see a tie following step c), the tiebreaker should favor the team with the higher number of other placements—specifically looking at second-place finishes, then third-place finishes, and so on.
August 2nd. Criteria for determining the overall Pole position trophy standings:
Is it even worth debating? A driver who consistently secures more pole positions is clearly the superior competitor.
In the event that we end up with a tie following the first scenario, wouldn't it be more logical to favor the driver who participated in fewer races?
In the event that we reach a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be determined by which player achieved a higher number of maximumly hit positions within a single round across any of the competitions.
d) In the event of a tie following step c), the edge goes to the player who achieved a higher cumulative sum of exact finishing positions throughout the Formula 1 Championship.
(I believe this section should simply be removed. If the Pole position trophy is to continue being awarded, it warrants its own specific set of regulations and a dedicated thread outside of the main championship, given that it now encompasses positions from the tournament as well.)
9. Should an additional team join the Formula 1 Championship either before or during the season, increasing the total driver count to 26, the final two groups will be adjusted to 11-17 and 18-26. Conversely, if a team exits Formula 1 before or during the season, reducing the driver count to 22, the final two groups will become 11-16 and 17-22. Any changes to scoring groups under this article take effect automatically without prior notice at the moment the FIA or a team officially announces their entry or withdrawal from one or all Formula 1 races. This also applies if the decision is announced before free practice and the team fails to appear for Friday's sessions. This article and its subsequent changes will not be triggered if a team or driver fails to appear for practice, qualifying, or the race due to other unforeseen circumstances (such as a shortage of spare parts, driver injuries, etc.).
9. If there is a change in the number of participating teams during the season, only the number of teams in the final group will be modified within the championship. For example, instead of the group covering positions 18-24, it would cover 18-22 or 18-26.
10. If a competitor fails to submit a new prediction, or submits it on Saturday at 03:01 or any other time after the specified deadline, the "Joker" prediction will be activated. To clarify, players are required to submit a new prediction for every race; however, they are granted 3 "Jokers" per season. These Jokers activate automatically for any race where a new prediction is not submitted, and the player's last official prediction will be credited for those races. Once all three "Jokers" have been utilized (it is understood that they have withdrawn from the competition, resulting in disqualification from every subsequent race) and no points will be calculated for them; in such a case, they must submit a new prediction if they wish to resume competing.
If a competitor fails to submit a new prediction for two consecutive races, their teammate may choose to expel them from their team. (consequently, such a competitor joins the newly formed "Expelled" team, unless they state otherwise.)
William Bennett53 said:Well, the public has spoken, and we shall proceed under the existing rules. 👍
I would like to propose a few adjustments. To be clear, I am not suggesting any changes to the scoring system itself; rather, I see this as a streamlining of our current regulations to address excessive complexity, ambiguity, and the various issues that have led to frequent disputes. These modifications are derived partly from my previous rule proposal and partly from entirely new ideas. Below, I have copied the full set of current regulations alongside my proposed amendments, where items I believe should be removed are marked in red, and my new (or revised) proposals are **bolded**.
For those who may find it difficult to view the attached documents, I will list the most significant proposed changes here:
- All predictions must be submitted by the scheduled start of Free Practice 3.
- Anyone without a valid prediction (whether a new entry or an existing one) will not participate in that round, and no excuses regarding the failure to submit will be entertained.
- In the event of a dispute, the Commissioner holds the final word. This means moderators should not be pulled into the fray of rule interpretation or dispute resolution. Players retain the right to change the Commissioner at any time, but there can be no retroactive overturning of decisions once the "appeals window" has closed.1. The Formula 1 Championship is a competition featuring an unlimited number of participants, both individuals and teams, which remain open throughout the entire season.
- To be considered a member of a team, a player must post a formal declaration stating which team they are representing.
- Joining an existing team is not permitted without the consent of at least one returning member from that team's previous season.
- Competition is conducted in pairs, with individual and team standings calculated separately.
- Players who do not join a team do not participate in the team portion of the championship.
- A participant is defined as a competitor who registers for the championship and submits their prediction within the designated timeframe.
Official results and standings are published by the Commissioner, and the moderator will post them on the first page of this thread, at which point they are considered final.
Competitors must submit their predictions, registrations, and other entries exclusively within this specific thread; any entries made in other threads will be deemed invalid.
1. The Championship is a sub-forum game involving predictions for Formula 1 race results. The number of participants is unlimited, and access is open to all interested forum members. Participation begins upon the submission of a prediction for a specific F1 season and concludes at the end of that F1 season or upon an explicit statement from the participant regarding their withdrawal.
2. The Championship is an individual pursuit, though it can function as a team game if two or more participants declare their intention to compete as a team within the main thread. Team participation commences upon the announcement of the partnership and ends when either player leaves the team or exits the competition. Team points are calculated by summing the individual championship points earned by team members during their period of joint participation. Should a member leave a team, their accumulated championship points remain with the team. Regarding team names, priority is given to the participant who first registers the name. If a name was used in previous championships, priority belongs to the player who has maintained uninterrupted membership with that team name for the longest duration.
3. Participants may only compete using one forum identity at any given time. Consequently, it is prohibited to have valid predictions active under more than one identity simultaneously.
4. The Championship is played by having the competitor post their predicted order of all drivers on the grid within the designated deadline, along with two additional picks: the pole position winner and the driver who achieves the fastest lap. Competitors may post their predictions immediately after the previous deadline closes, and no later than (Saturday at 3:00 AM, during the weekend leading up to the next race. The scheduled start time for the three free practice sessions has been set.That deadline applies to every single race throughout the season. Competitors are free to tweak their existing predictions or submit entirely new ones as many times as they like, provided they get everything finalized before that cutoff hits.
The scoring system is structured as follows:
The primary points for each race are distributed according to the current F1 scoring system: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1. These are awarded to the top ten finishers who have accumulated the highest number of secondary points during the race.
The points system used for awarding standings at every race follows this structure:
Groups 1 through 3 – 5 points plus 1 extra.
Group 4-10 – 3 points + 1 bonus
Group 11-16 – 2 points + 2
Group 17-24 – 1 point + 2
DNF Group – 3 points + 1 bonus
DNQ Group - 3 points
Pole position and fastest lap—that’s an extra four points plus two more.
Points are distributed according to the specific categories outlined in Section 3 of the Rulebook. Regarding additional points awarded for correct placements, these are divided into two distinct groups:
Group 1: 1st–3rd, 4th–10th, and DNF – 1 point awarded for each finishing position.
Group 2: 11-16, 17-24, PP+FL – 2 points awarded for pole position.
Regarding the extra points (2 total) for the PP+FL group: these are only awarded if a participant correctly identifies both drivers within that group. In the standings, this will be recorded as one point per driver, effectively granting one correct finishing position for each, totaling two points for the group. As for the DNF group, an extra point is awarded based on the specific order of retirements as officially released by the FIA. To claim this, a participant would need to list the drivers in reverse order—for example, the first driver to drop out should be listed last in their prediction, and so on.
The criteria for determining the race rankings are as follows:
Is it not more logical to conclude that the superior driver is the one who manages to accumulate a higher number of secondary points?
In the event that we end up with a tie following step A, the deciding factor should be the player who secured more pole position trophies.
In the event that we see a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be the player who secured a higher number of additional points.
In the event that we see a tie following step C, the tiebreaker will be determined by the player who holds the higher cumulative point total from all successfully predicted pole positions within their respective groups.
In the event of a tie following step D, the deciding factor should be the player who secured more victories within the higher-stakes groups.
f) In the event of a tie following step e), the tiebreaker will favor the driver with the lower sum when calculating the differences between their actual finishing position and their predicted position in the overall standings. Should this occur, all drivers will be evaluated based on the official order established by the FIA and the competitors.
In the event of a tie following step f), the advantage goes to the player who submitted their updated Joker prediction first. If neither party has submitted a new prediction, the edge goes to whoever turned in their original one earliest. Furthermore, should one player fail to submit an updated prediction entirely, their opponent is automatically deemed the winner.
The criteria used to determine the final individual standings are as follows:
Is it even worth debating? A driver who racks up more main championship points is clearly the superior competitor.
In the event that we end up with a tie following the first criteria, wouldn't it be more logical to favor the driver with the higher number of wins?
In the event that we end up with a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be the driver who holds the higher number of tie-breaking points.
d) In the event of a tie following step c), the deciding factor should be the competitor who holds the advantage in their head-to-head matchup.
In the event that we end up with a tie following step D, the deciding factor would be the driver with the higher number of other finishes—specifically, more second-place results, third-place results, and so on.
The criteria used to determine the final standings for the team championship are as follows:
Is it not more logical to conclude that the superior team is simply the one that secures a higher number of primary points?
In the event that we end up with a tie following the first scenario, wouldn't it make more sense to favor the team with the higher number of wins?
In the event that we end up with a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be whichever team holds the higher number of tie-breaker points.
d) In the event that we see a tie following step c), the tiebreaker should favor the team with the higher number of other placements—specifically looking at second-place finishes, then third-place finishes, and so on.
August 2nd. Criteria for determining the overall Pole position trophy standings:
Is it even worth debating? A driver who consistently secures more pole positions is clearly the superior competitor.
In the event that we end up with a tie following the first scenario, wouldn't it be more logical to favor the driver who participated in fewer races?
In the event that we reach a tie following step B, the deciding factor will be determined by which player achieved a higher number of maximumly hit positions within a single round across any of the competitions.
d) In the event of a tie following step c), the edge goes to the player who achieved a higher cumulative sum of exact finishing positions throughout the Formula 1 Championship.
(I believe this section should simply be removed. If the Pole position trophy is to continue being awarded, it warrants its own specific set of regulations and a dedicated thread outside of the main championship, given that it now encompasses positions from the tournament as well.)
9. Should an additional team join the Formula 1 Championship either before or during the season, increasing the total driver count to 26, the final two groups will be adjusted to 11-17 and 18-26. Conversely, if a team exits Formula 1 before or during the season, reducing the driver count to 22, the final two groups will become 11-16 and 17-22. Any changes to scoring groups under this article take effect automatically without prior notice at the moment the FIA or a team officially announces their entry or withdrawal from one or all Formula 1 races. This also applies if the decision is announced before free practice and the team fails to appear for Friday's sessions. This article and its subsequent changes will not be triggered if a team or driver fails to appear for practice, qualifying, or the race due to other unforeseen circumstances (such as a shortage of spare parts, driver injuries, etc.).
9. If there is a change in the number of participating teams during the season, only the number of teams in the final group will be modified within the championship. For example, instead of the group covering positions 18-24, it would cover 18-22 or 18-26.
10. If a competitor fails to submit a new prediction, or submits it on Saturday at 03:01 or any other time after the specified deadline, the "Joker" prediction will be activated. To clarify, players are required to submit a new prediction for every race; however, they are granted 3 "Jokers" per season. These Jokers activate automatically for any race where a new prediction is not submitted, and the player's last official prediction will be credited for those races. Once all three "Jokers" have been utilized (it is understood that they have withdrawn from the competition, resulting in disqualification from every subsequent race) and no points will be calculated for them; in such a case, they must submit a new prediction if they wish to resume competing.
If a competitor fails to submit a new prediction for two consecutive races, their teammate may choose to expel them from their team. (consequently, such a competitor joins the newly formed "Expelled" team, unless they state otherwise.)