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Setting the rules for the Reddit F1 championship 2013

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Participants stormybadger8Matthew Young35ruggedfox28Christian Williams61William Bennett53Jason JamesTerry Carter2darkmarlin16Jason Campbell70Raymond Kelly2Edward Howard2redheron12mistybear87Douglas Patel32Tyler Bennett5Ethan Jones5Sean Smith5cosmicridge5Alex Gomez4ruggedhawk20shadowstag10Nathan Jones98swifttiger75shadowhawk24
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
491 messages
joined Sep 2016
#381 ·
The reason this looks like such a mess is because I decided to include the entire existing set of bylaws alongside my proposed amendments. I could have easily cut it down by half if I had just provided a cleaned-up version, but then it wouldn't be clear what exactly I’m suggesting we change or how we should go about it.

Look, if another two or three members want to pitch their own visions for these changes, we can work through them. Once we finally reach a consensus on the what and the how, we should end up with a set of rules that actually outperforms what we have now.
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#382 ·
William Bennett53 said:The reason this looks like such a mess is because I decided to include the entire existing set of bylaws alongside my proposed amendments. I could have easily cut it down by half if I had just provided a cleaned-up version, but then it wouldn't be clear what exactly I’m suggesting we change or how we should go about it.

Look, if another two or three members want to pitch their own visions for these changes, we can work through them. Once we finally reach a consensus on the what and the how, we should end up with a set of rules that actually outperforms what we have now.

The rules remain exactly the same as last season.
It’s overcomplicated, far too easy to exploit, and they have the nerve to call it a "code of conduct."
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
491 messages
joined Sep 2016
#383 ·
Well, look, Matthew Young35, the board voted and they settled on the current regulations. In these rules, more than half the framework is taken up by a scoring system I didn't even touch, because changing it would go against the whole spirit of our decision to keep the existing rules intact. I only suggested tweaks to those general areas where I actually had an idea on how to balance things out a bit. But fine, go ahead and submit an alternative proposal for changes. I’d actually welcome having several of them, since we're all collectively smarter than any one individual.
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
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#384 ·
William Bennett53 said:Well, look, Matthew Young35, the board voted and they settled on the current regulations. In these rules, more than half the framework is taken up by a scoring system I didn't even touch, because changing it would go against the whole spirit of our decision to keep the existing rules intact. I only suggested tweaks to those general areas where I actually had an idea on how to balance things out a bit. But fine, go ahead and submit an alternative proposal for changes. I’d actually welcome having several of them, since we're all collectively smarter than any one individual.

Aren't the rules and the director already set by vote?
Then let them live with the consequences of what they voted for.
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
206 messages
joined Mar 2003
#385 ·
We’re almost there!
Get ready, but don't go rushing ahead just yet—I am currently finalizing the official rules for the Formula 1 2013 season.
I realize the previous set was already voted on, but expect some cosmetic adjustments to be made regardless!
😁
Tyler Bennett5 Tyler Bennett5 Active Member
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joined May 2019
#386 ·
Is the deadline for submitting predictions still set for Saturday at 3:00 AM?
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
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joined Mar 2003
#387 ·
Tyler Bennett5 said:Is the deadline for submitting predictions still set for Saturday at 3:00 AM?

That specific rule isn't changing, nor is anything regarding how we submit picks or calculate points.
Any upcoming updates are purely administrative, mostly intended to streamline things for the people running the competition.
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darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#388 ·
Awesome 👍

I was actually just thinking about starting a whole new thread for the Formula 1 2013 season today 😁
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
491 messages
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#389 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Awesome 👍

I was actually just thinking about starting a whole new thread for the Formula 1 2013 season today 😁

The championship falls under Terry Carter2's jurisdiction as the moderator, so there's no need to start a thread; just let him organize things according to his own preferences.

Though, you certainly could start a thread for the first race. 🙂
darkmarlin16 darkmarlin16 Veteran
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#390 ·
William Bennett53 said:The championship falls under Terry Carter2's jurisdiction as the moderator, so there's no need to start a thread; just let him organize things according to his own preferences.

Though, you certainly could start a thread for the first race. 🙂

Sure, let Terry Carter2 just open things up whenever he feels like it, regardless of what the actual rules say.

Man, they’re absolutely crushing this championship right now—honestly, if they just keep riding this wave and don't trip over their own feet, it's gonna be a hell of a ride. Just keep doing exactly what you're doing. 👍
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
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#391 ·
1. The Formula 1 championship is an open competition where players and teams can sign up at any point throughout the entire season.
- To be officially considered part of a team, a player must post a message explicitly stating which team they are joining.
- You cannot join an existing team without getting the green light from at least one veteran player from that same team from last season.
- Competition is held in duos; we track both individual standings and team rankings separately.
- If you fail to register with a team, you won't be counted toward the team championship.
- A participant is defined as anyone who registers for the competition and submits their prediction within the designated timeframe.
Official results and standings will be released by the organizer, and the moderator will post them on the first page of this thread, at which point they are considered final.
All predictions, registrations, and official entries must be made exclusively within this specific thread; any entries or predictions posted in other threads will be deemed invalid.

2. The championship works like this: before the deadline, a competitor posts their predicted finishing order for the entire grid, plus two extra picks: the driver starting from pole position and the driver who sets the fastest lap. You can submit your predictions as soon as the previous deadline passes, with the absolute cutoff being Saturday at 3:00 AM on race weekend; this deadline remains constant for every race in the season. You are allowed to edit your predictions or submit new ones an unlimited number of times until that deadline hits.

3. The scoring system is as follows:
Primary points for each race follow the current F1 standard (25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1) for the top ten finishers based on secondary points earned during the race.
Secondary points for each race are awarded using this breakdown:
Group 1-3 – 5 points + 1
Group 4-10 – 3 points + 1
Group 11-16 – 2 points + 2
Group 17-24 – 1 point + 2
Group DNF – 3 points + 1
Group DNQ - 3 points
Pole and Fastest Lap – 4 points + 2

4. Points are distributed according to the groups listed in Section 3. Bonus points for exact positions are split into two categories:
Category 1: Positions 1-3, 4-10, and DNF – 1 point per exact position.
Category 2: Positions 11-16, 17-24, and PP + FL – 2 points per exact position.
Bonus points (2 points) for the PP + FL group are only awarded if the competitor correctly predicts both drivers in that group; in the results, these are recorded individually as 1 point per driver, effectively totaling two points for hitting both exact positions in that group. For the DNF group, the bonus point is awarded based on the correct sequence of retirements as reported by the FIA—for example, the first driver to retire should be listed last in the player's prediction, and so on.

5. The tie-breaking criteria for race standings are as follows:
a) The player with more secondary points wins.
b) In the event of a tie after step a), the player with more exact position hits wins.
c) If there is still a tie after step b), the player with more bonus points wins.
d) If tied after step c), the player with the higher sum of points from all successfully hit exact positions within their groups wins.
e) If tied after step d), the player with more hits in the high-value point groups wins.
f) If tied after step e), the player with the smallest total difference between the actual finishing order and their predicted order wins. In this case, all drivers are calculated based on the official FIA order versus the player's list.
g) If tied after step f), the player who submitted their updated prediction earlier wins; if no update was sent, the player who sent their original prediction earliest wins. If one player fails to send an updated prediction entirely, their opponent wins by default.

6. The criteria for determining the overall individual standings are as follows:
a) The driver with the highest number of primary points takes precedence.
b) If there’s a tie after step a), the driver with more wins comes out on top.
c) Should a tie persist after step b), we look to the driver with more secondary points.
d) In the event of a tie following step c), the winner is determined by their head-to-head record.
e) If they are still deadlocked after step d), we rank them based on the higher frequency of second-place finishes, then third-place, and so on.

6.1. The criteria for determining the final Constructors' Championship standings are as follows:
a) The team with the most primary points ranks higher.
b) If tied after step a), the team with more wins takes the lead.
c) If tied after step b), the team with more secondary points is ranked higher.
d) If tied after step c), the ranking is decided by which team secured more second-place finishes, followed by third-place, etc.

6.2. The criteria for determining the Accurate Position Trophy standings are:
a) The player with the highest number of accurate positions wins.
b) If there is a tie after step a), the player who participated in fewer laps is favored.
c) In the event of a tie after step b), the player with the higher count of maximumly achieved positions in a single lap prevails.
d) If tied after step c), the player with the higher count of maximumly achieved positions over two (then three, four, and so forth) laps takes it.

7. If the total number of competing teams changes during the season, only the size of the final group will be adjusted. For instance, instead of covering positions 18-24, the group might cover 18-22 or 18-26. Any shifts in scoring groups under this rule take effect automatically without prior notice the moment the FIA or a specific team officially announces they are entering or withdrawing from one or all Formula 1 races. This also applies if the decision is made before free practice and the team fails to show up for Friday's sessions. Note that this article—and any adjustments stemming from it—will not be triggered if a team or driver misses practice, qualifying, or the race due to other unforeseen circumstances, such as a shortage of spare parts or driver injuries.
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
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joined Mar 2003
#392 ·
8. If a competitor fails to submit a fresh prediction, or if they try to sneak one in on a Saturday at 3:01 AM after the deadline has already passed, the "Joker" rule kicks in automatically. Look, let’s be clear: players are required to submit a new prediction for every single race. However, to account for life getting in the way, everyone is granted three "Jokers" per season. These Jokers trigger automatically whenever someone misses a deadline, and in those instances, the player will simply be credited with whatever their last official prediction was. Once you've burned through all three "Jokers," the grace period is over. After that point, you won't earn any more points unless you actually bother to submit a new prediction to stay in the running.
If a driver fails to submit a new prediction for two consecutive races, their teammate has the authority to kick them out of the team entirely. Unless that driver explicitly states otherwise, they’ll be forced to continue through the rest of the championship as an individual competitor.

9. Participants are required to submit their predictions using only the specific username they used to register for the competition, unless an administrator has modified it for administrative purposes. Furthermore, any participant facing a ban is strictly prohibited from participating in the round during which the ban is active. This rule applies to anyone whose ban lasts at least until the submission deadline for that particular round—unless, of course, they managed to get their new prediction in before the hammer dropped. If a prediction was submitted prior to the ban, it will be honored just like everyone else's. Additionally, if a banned participant holds an unused "joker prediction," and they fail to submit a standard entry for the round in question, that "joker prediction" will still be applied to their score, maintaining parity with the rest of the field.

10. Drivers are free to jump from one team to another whenever they please. However, let’s be clear about how this works: when a driver transfers, they don't take their former team's constructor points with them—only their individual points follow them to the new outfit. This rule applies equally to drivers who get dropped from a roster as well. From a logical standpoint, a team's standings only begin accumulating from the moment that specific entity is officially formed. Changing a team's name doesn't reset the scoreboard, though. Each organization is allowed two name changes during the season, but before the season even kicks off, they can swap names as many times as they want. It's basic accounting, really.

11. If you pick a driver in your prediction who doesn't actually show up on the official FIA results, don't expect to see any points added to your tally. It’s that simple. Furthermore, you won't receive points for any drivers missing from your list—it doesn't matter how much sense it makes or if you simply overlooked a specific person; if they aren't on your sheet, they don't count. The scoring is strictly tied to the specific positions you assign to each driver. If you make a typo or mess up the numbers, we are going to hold you to exactly what you wrote down; your ranking will be processed based on those erroneous positions, and if you skip certain spots, you lose out on those points entirely. Additionally, if you decide to list the same position or the same driver multiple times, that entire entry is voided—you get zero points for those duplicates. Finally, if you try to overstuff your list by naming more drivers than would normally start a race under standard conditions, you won't receive any extra points for those surplus entries. Any driver you fail to assign a specific position to will be treated as a DNF. On the other hand, if you submit a full ranking without including any position numbers at all, the system will treat it as a ranking where no DNFs occurred. Follow the rules, or prepare to lose points.

12. Let’s get one thing straight: copying someone else's prediction is strictly prohibited. We don't go hunting for copycats immediately; we only investigate and issue penalties if an affected player files a formal complaint once the deadline for posting predictions on this thread has passed. To be clear on what constitutes "copying": if you post a prediction where more than 75% of the drivers—across all categories, rounded up to the nearest whole number—match the exact positions of a previously posted prediction for that same race, you're flagged. Just a reminder that older predictions being used as jokers do not count toward this calculation. If you are caught copying, your prediction will simply be invalidated. No exceptions.

13. Competition standings are calculated based strictly on the results published by the FIA immediately following the race—whether that's via the live television broadcast or those first unofficial, uncorrected listings posted on the official website. Once those initial numbers are out, any subsequent corrections made by the FIA are essentially irrelevant to the tally. When it comes to determining driver retirements, we follow those same primary FIA bulletins. If the official website lists a driver under DNF, NC, or Ret, that is how they are recorded for the results. Any other designation simply doesn't count as a DNF. Furthermore, per FIA regulations, a driver is considered to have retired if they complete less than 90% of the race distance. And let's be clear: the total race distance is dictated entirely by the FIA, which retains the authority to set the number of laps through either standard procedure or an extraordinary ruling.
Drivers who fail to make the grid during qualifying will only be recorded as a DNQ if they don't actually participate in the race. However, if they miss qualifying but the FIA grants them a special dispensation to compete, they won't be treated as a DNQ in any predictions. Instead, they'll be handled just like any other driver who qualified normally—meaning they have the full potential to finish in scoring positions or, conversely, end up with a DNF.

14. Should a controversial situation arise during the event that isn't explicitly covered by these specific regulations, the Race Director will step in to resolve it. They are expected to use common sense while strictly adhering to the fundamental principle of fair play. These rules go into effect once they are posted in the Championship's official rules and results section, and they may be amended via special updates only if it becomes absolutely necessary to ensure the competition functions properly.

15. The Race Director can be replaced at any point during the competition if a majority vote is cast by the competitors and a new director agrees to take the role. Similarly, disputed rules can be changed, but under no circumstances will any changes be applied retroactively.
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
206 messages
joined Mar 2003
#393 ·
Here’s how the rules for the upcoming season might look—take a look and tell me what you think!
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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 VeteranOP
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#394 ·
I don't really feel like reading through everything right now 😬
but first things first, fix the groups and the driver count😳

Since ESPN completely tanked on this one, you're looking at 22 drivers on the grid😉
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
206 messages
joined Mar 2003
#395 ·
stormybadger8 said:I don't really feel like reading through everything right now 😬
but first things first, fix the groups and the driver count😳

Since ESPN completely tanked on this one, you're looking at 22 drivers on the grid😉

I was trying my best to stay away from that specific section of the rulebook, but I clearly missed it!
Anyway, we’ll settle this by shrinking the final group.
😁
William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
491 messages
joined Sep 2016
#396 ·
Just one small detail: I haven't seen anything in the rules that explicitly defines what constitutes pole position, so perhaps it would be wise to clarify this since we've already had an argument about it. Specifically, there are scenarios where the qualifying winner might be penalized, disqualified, or forced to start from the pit lane due to ignition issues instead of taking the front row. This dilemma could be clearly resolved by choosing one of two approaches:
- Pole points are awarded to the driver who won Q3 on Saturday and sat at the top of the timing sheets, regardless of whether they were subsequently stripped of that position, or
- Points are awarded to the driver who actually occupied the first grid slot at the start of Sunday's race, regardless of whether they were the fastest during qualifying.

The previous dispute over this matter ended with us siding with the second option. We can stick to that, or we can reconsider, but we should certainly state our intention explicitly.
Terry Carter2 Terry Carter2 Active Member
206 messages
joined Mar 2003
#397 ·
William Bennett53 said:Just one small detail: I haven't seen anything in the rules that explicitly defines what constitutes pole position, so perhaps it would be wise to clarify this since we've already had an argument about it. Specifically, there are scenarios where the qualifying winner might be penalized, disqualified, or forced to start from the pit lane due to ignition issues instead of taking the front row. This dilemma could be clearly resolved by choosing one of two approaches:
- Pole points are awarded to the driver who won Q3 on Saturday and sat at the top of the timing sheets, regardless of whether they were subsequently stripped of that position, or
- Points are awarded to the driver who actually occupied the first grid slot at the start of Sunday's race, regardless of whether they were the fastest during qualifying.

The previous dispute over this matter ended with us siding with the second option. We can stick to that, or we can reconsider, but we should certainly state our intention explicitly.

That is clearly explained in section 2.
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William Bennett53 William Bennett53 Regular
491 messages
joined Sep 2016
#398 ·
My apologies, I completely missed this. 😁
redheron12 redheron12 Regular
306 messages
joined Aug 2008
#399 ·
Is the deadline for submitting predictions really Saturday at 3 AM? Or rather, late Friday night? It feels a bit silly—I mean, wouldn't it make more sense to have the cutoff by Saturday at 1 PM, just an hour before qualifying starts?
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 VeteranOP
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#400 ·
redheron12 said:Is the deadline for submitting predictions really Saturday at 3 AM? Or rather, late Friday night? It feels a bit silly—I mean, wouldn't it make more sense to have the cutoff by Saturday at 1 PM, just an hour before qualifying starts?

Old news here... the standard explanation has always been that the deadline has to hit before Free Practice 3 kicks off.
Personally, I don't see much point to it either,🤷
but hey, it is what it is.

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